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Project name

For consistency's sake, I would recommend that this project be moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject New York. See Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/State-level WikiProjects. — Jonathan Kovaciny (talk|contribs) 15:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I have no problems with that. My only concern is that if it's moved to WP:New York, then some editors might think this is the WikiProject for New York City, not for all of New York State. --TMF T - C 19:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
On second thought, if the intro is written well enough, it should be apparent that this is the statewide New York WP and not the project for New York City regardless of what the WikiProject is called. I'll make the move to WP:New York. --TMF T - C 20:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Invitation to new WikiProject

A new WikiProject has been started, and may be of interest to members here. It is WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. It covers all listings on the Register, in all states and territories. Should you be so inclined, please feel free to join. And spread the word to any other interested parties. -Ebyabe 19:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Geography of New York?

It occurs to me looking around the articles I've been tagging with the project banner that we could, and should, have a comprehensive Geography of New York article. Maybe this could be our first collaboration. Anyone interested? Daniel Case 12:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd definitely be interested in helping to work on an article like this, considering how much could be written about the geography in the state. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 13:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

If you want a good example of how this can be done, see Geography of Texas. Daniel Case 12:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 19:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

climate section


The article New York lacks a section on climate. Jcam 21:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

This is exactly the sort of thing that should go in a geography of New York article. Daniel Case 07:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Upcoming NYC Meetup

You wanted to know when the next meetup was being organized in New York City. Plan for Saturday, 9 December 2006. While you're at it. Come help us decide on a restaurant. See: Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC. Spread the word. Thanks. —ExplorerCDT 22:52, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Photo request

The corner of Columbus and West 66 St apparently now has a sign that says "Peter Jenning Way," illustrated here: Image:Pjw.jpg. However, as this is a fair use image, I was wondering if someone could go out there and take another shot. Hbdragon88 03:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Photo request #2

see Talk:Tompkins Square Park. It would be nice to have a photo of the monument for the General Slocum boating disaster. Thanks. --BLueFiSH  03:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 22:15, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Orphanages in NY State, er New York Botanical Garden

I added a WP:NY banner to the New York Botanical Garden article as requested by a user on the WP:Plants talk page. KP Botany 03:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

List of Project pages?

Hey All - quick question here - is there some way, or some page, that lists all of the sites with the wikiproject:new york banner on them? I've been adding the project banner to a number of sites (mainly capital district ones, such as the NYSM) and have found many which should have the banner do not. I would like to become more active within this project, and find such lists to be useful. In the interim, I've been using the New York portal, which is great starting point. Peace -- Oaxaca dan 16:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


I started giving out ratings to pages I frequent. Obviously, if anyone thinks something should change, go ahead and do it. I'm kinda guessing at the moment, and until we have a broader sample of rated articles, it'll be difficult to assess importance. Anyway, Thanks TwinsMetsFan for enabling the rating system. -- Oaxaca dan 04:59, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Binghamton project

I have a proposal out for a Binghamton project: WikiPedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Binghamton. So far not a lot of interest. Would it be better to have it as a Task Force of the NY project first and then become a separate project? Cheesebox 19:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I have withdrawn the Binghamton proposal due to lack of interest. Cheesebox 15:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Moe Berg FAR

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New York State Education Department

Hi, New York Wikipedians! The article New York State Education Department needs some cleanup work. The Office of Teaching Initiatives section may have been copied from another website, five subsections that don't seem to belong have been placed in the Mentoring Requirement section, and the latter half of the artcle is written in an unencyclopedic tone. Maybe a New York editor with knowledge about the department can improve the article. --Albany NY 00:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I made some changes. Hope that helps. Kafziel Talk 12:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

New articles

Dear Wikipedians, a list of possible New York-related articles found by bot is available at User:AlexNewArtBot/NewYorkSearchResult. Colchicum 14:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


I notice many other states have standardized maps of town and city locations. Towns in New York, however, seem to be mostly lacking maps. Perhaps this could be a project? Mycroft7 19:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Notability standards for small hamlets

In the wake of a contentious deletion debate over Michigan Corners, New York, I have been advised to bring up the issue here as to when a hamlet has enough notability to merit a separate article (We have many local toponyms in lists at the ends of town articles; some probably do merit.

Based on my unsuccessful arguments in that AfD, I propose the following as possible indicators of notability for small unincorporated communities in New York state that are not already census-designated places:

  • Eponymous ZIP Code, fire/fire protection district, local road, business or public school.
  • Official NYSDOT sign on road leading into area.
  • Historical status as more populous than present, or formerly formally incorporated (say that ten times fast!).

While I feel that one of these alone (particularly from the list in the first bullet point) will not be enough, two or more could probably establish that it's notable enough to be a separate article. Any discussion? Daniel Case 18:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Well Daniel, I had hoped that by listing this here you would have gotten some kind of feedback. Unfortunately, it seems that hope was in vain. Just to let you know what happens in WP:WPWI, basically any community is considered sufficiently noteworthy to warrant mention in WP, if not in its own article, then in an article that covers communities within some relevant grouping. For example, Unincorporated communities in Eau Claire County, Wisconsin is presently just a listing of all the unincorporated communities I know of off the top of my head in the county where I live. When I (or someone else) find)s( time, the "list" can be fleshed out to cover each of the communities in more depth than simply mentioning the communities' names in a list. If the section on some community becomes too large, it can be split off to its own article, or if the section say, for the Town of Brunswick gets huge while the others languish, that section could be broken out as Unincorporated communities in Brunswick, Wisconsin (for more about naming conventions for Wisconsin articles, you'll hafta through the talk archives at WP:WPWI...we really should spell them out somewhere...) It's this mindset that led to my strong opposition to the deletion of the Michigan Corners article, and to my opposition to the suggestion that it be merged with Scotchtown, New York (i.e., because it is not in Scotchtown, it is only nearby. It can be mentioned in Scotchtown, but not merged with least not until Scotchtown decides to annex it.) Cheers, Tomertalk 15:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

FAR of Niagara Falls

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Large sections of the article not sourced. The extensive (and informative) Formation section has only three inline cites, even though it contains such statements as "Some controversy exists over which European first gave a written, eyewitness description of the Falls", and "There is credible evidence, however . . . .", with no supporting reference. The next section, Impact on industry and commerce, is similarly sparse in citations despite a huge amount of information. Much of the balance of the article suffers from the same problem. I have the impression that original contributors just felt the mention of Encyclopedia Britannica at the bottom was sufficient. As it stands now, readers can't be certain of the accuracy and verifiability of much of the article's content, and/or there should be concerns about WP:COPYVIO. I'm surprised it was rated FA.
It might be a good idea to initiate an intensive effort to take each section and source it with inline cites as quickly and as thoroughly as possible. Otherwise much of it should be deleted since it has been tagged for nearly seven months with little or no improvements.
 Jim Dunning  talk  :  17:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Hiding TOC

19-Aug-2007: I've noticed, this weekend, the Table-of-Contents (TOC) "[hide]" option has been fixed to allow shrinking/hiding the TOC detail lines. This change will require reformatting thousands of articles to auto-reformat image/text placement, but we knew this day would come, and so it has. I have begun editing articles, with explanation "Allow HIDDEN Table of Contents.." noting, for each article, the changes to allow Hide/Show TOC. An easy fix is to stack the earlier right-side images/tables (as a series of "Image:" and table definitions) near the top of the article, depending on top paragraphs to provide filler text. The text-clipping glitch might also have been fixed for small-then-large image stacking; otherwise, make images similar size or put smaller images after large. Images later in the article should auto-reformat fine, as is, without moving them. -Wikid77 21:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Who's stub is it?

How should an article such as Buffalo Airfield be tagged stub wise? As an Airport stub or New York stub? Gamer9678 01:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Both. Articles can be tagged with multiple relevant stubs, within reason. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 03:12, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Assessment and peer review request

Hello all! I have recently greatly expanded and cleaned up the article on the New York City Transit Police. I would appreciate comments. Thank You --- Rebel3986 03:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

History Buffs

I've been scanning postcards from 1906, 1907, many from New York state. See commons:User:Parkerdr/CHM I've added some of them to existing articles, e.g. Oneida Society, New York State Executive Mansion. Is there anyone who would like to help place them in relevant articles? Parkerdr 16:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Parkerdr, thanks for scanning those. I just placed your scanned postcard of the Oneida Community's main building into the recently created Oneida Community Mansion House article, which was lacking a picture. It's part of WikiProject National Register of Historic Places; i've been contributing to articles within NYS National Historic Landmks.doncram 18:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Excellent. It's been a history/geography lesson for me, trying to place these cards. Parkerdr 00:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Request for pictures

If someone near Canandaigua has pictures or can take pictures of New York State Route 245 for the article, that'd be great, as it would, IMO, put the article over the proverbial top. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 02:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I have an additional request for anyone in NYC - we're looking for a free photo of the Lester Patrick Trophy which resides at Madison Square Garden. --Spike Wilbury talk 04:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Photo request Tompkins Square Park

see Talk:Tompkins Square Park. It would be nice to have a photo of the monument for the General Slocum boating disaster. Thanks. --BLueFiSH  15:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Project Proposal: NYS Landmarks

The wikiproject page lists no projects in the section for projects. How about this one: Develop to "Start" quality standard an article for every National Historic Landmark and every State Historical Site in NYS. There currently is a stub article for each of the 256 or so NHLs, and for each of the 37 SHSs, which overlap. These are listed here. Many need photos (although New York County, Orange County and Poughkeepsie counties are pretty well covered). Many need writing done, drawing on sources already linked in the stubs, and drawing on new sources. doncram 01:54, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Governors of New York

At List of Governors of New York and some of the NY governor's bio articles, somebody has edited in the wrong dates. Example: George Pataki has January 1, 1995 to January 1, 2007; it should be January 1, 1995 to December 31, 2006. Can someone check into these articles? GoodDay 23:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Province of New York

The project description talks about the "State of New York". What about the Province of New York? (New York before it became a state in 1776). Does this project include New York before 1776? BradMajors 04:06, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Adirondack Park a State Park?

Please see this discussion at Adirondack Park Mirboj (talk) 07:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

New contributor would benefit from interaction with others from NY State

Hi, New Yorkers. User:Dryamaka has contributed to several NYS articles. He and I have been going round and round concerning an entry on the list of notable residents in Amsterdam (city), New York. I think it would be useful for him to get some feedback from other NYS contributors. See User talk:Dryamaka. --Orlady (talk) 16:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Collapse of the World Trade Center GA Sweeps Review: On Hold

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "World History-Americas" articles and just reviewed Collapse of the World Trade Center. I believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article if several issues are addressed. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues concerning sourcing and the lead that should be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I am leaving this message at this project page, along with the other relevant task forces/WikiProjects to the article, since the article falls under this topic and figured you might be interested in helping to improve the article further. The article needs just a few more inline citations and some minor cleanup, and if fixed, I'll pass the article. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page, and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:41, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Hudson Valley

The project was created, but there is very little interest and not much scope. I am wondering whether it would be more appropriate as a task force of this project. If you'd wish to comment, feedback would be appreciated here. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedian NYC Meetup

NYFreiheitsstatue2.jpg New York City Meetup

Next: Sunday March 16th, Columbia University area
Last: 1/13/2008
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In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, and have salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the last meeting's minutes).

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.--Pharos (talk) 23:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Leonardsville, NY

I was surprised to see that the entry for Leonardsville, NY makes no mention of Ebenezer Talbot and the cattle-breeding farm(s?) he owned, which I recall from my childhood in Leonardsville (1943-1947) as having been at that time the major industry in the area. I hope someone with authoritative knowledge on the matter can add a bit to this entry. (talk) 02:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Mark A. Brown

Massena - Town or City?

Is Massena a town or a city. Someone has replaced all references to "town" with "city". All references I can find show it to be a town. Has this changed? -- Tcncv (talk) 02:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

The same IP who changed it to 'city' then began vandalizing the article and making test edits. This, along with the official website you gave in your edit summary on the page, which clearly says 'town', leads me to conclude that it is in fact still a town. (I've gone and changed the article back to the original). AlexiusHoratius (talk) 03:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. -- Tcncv (talk) 01:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Article for inclusion?

I'm editing the article about Judith Kaye. On Talk:Judith Kaye there's no "WikiProject New York" box. I don't know enough about the WikiProject to know whether this is deliberate or just an oversight. JamesMLane t c 14:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Probably an oversight. I see no reason she wouldn't be included. Powers T 19:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

The leading section of Geography of New York

I find it WAY too long, in fact I feel unconfortable reading it can somebody tag it proberly? Because I don't the proper tag. (talk) 12:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

There actually is no intro to the article, what you're thinking of as the intro is actually the main body of the article. Some time today I'll try to cobble together some sort of introduction, and then maybe add section divisions, which should help the problem. AlexiusHoratius (talk) 16:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
The tag to use is {{intro-missing}}, FYI. Powers T 20:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Lewis E. Parsons, 19th governor of Alabama

His wikipage says he's born in Boone County, New York. But this county doesn't exist now. Has it ever been a county in New York? Can someone at this project clarify this? Thanks. --Tesscass (talk) 20:15, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Theodore Roosevelt FAR

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Walden Galleria — Buffalo natives needed!

I am trying to promote Walden Galleria to WP:GA status, and I would greatly appreciate if any Buffalo natives could get a few pictures of the mall, as I feel they would be very appropriate for the page. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters(Broken clamshellsOtter chirps) 03:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Congressional Primary results

What is the best place to find New York State Congressional District primary results for Jack Kemp (1970-1986 elections)? Is there an online source? P.S. Respond at my talk page because I don't check here very often.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal

There's been a merge suggestion on Talk:Celebrations_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks#Merge.3F. JaakobouChalk Talk 19:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

State Route pictures

I was working on trying to improve New York State Route 21 to past GA, and I got stuck with a lack of images of the route. If anybody from western NY could get some pictures of the route, it'd be great. Thanks! Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 00:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

New York regions need definition

For use in List of museums in New York and perhaps other articles, it would be helpful to have a set of regions in New York defined. In discussion so far at Talk:List of museums in New York#Regions need improvement, i suggest using the well-defined tourist regions set by the State. To refer to them in articles, though, would require a short article describing the list of them, and then perhaps a short article (or a separate section) on each one, that could be wikilinked.

Much like the Community areas of Chicago list which supports the neighborhoods used in List of RHPs in Chicago.

Comments? Volunteers? doncram (talk) 17:58, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I can certainly do this - as I have maps that define the regions according to the NYSDED. It has enough details for all 11 regions. Mitch32contribs 18:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

East Sixties?

Hi everyone! I'm currently working on a new article for a play in my userspace, and I keep finding sources that describe its setting as the "East Sixties" of New York City. I'd like to include a link to a relevant Wikipedia artice for East Sixties, but being the clueless person that I am, I have no idea what such an article would be. Could somebody help me out a bit here? Thanks! —MearsMan talk 18:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup

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Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

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C-Class Assessment request

Please look at Washington Irving (sidewheeler) to see if it is C-Class assessment. Thanks. WilliamKF (talk) 03:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

New York move fiasco

Hey, everyone. I managed to recently cause a fiasco by moving New York to New York State and New York (disambiguation) to New York while responding to an {{editprotected}} request on Talk:New York. I was just informed that this was causing trouble, so I've fixed it. Sorry for any confusion I caused. lifebaka (talk - contribs) 20:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, for those not aware, there is continuing discussion on whether or not this move should be re-enacted on the talk page. You might want to check it out. Shereth 19:15, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

anyone like to make a clickable map?

Clickable map of NYS counties needed: Anyone willing to spend a little time creating a clickable map version of the existing map of NYS counties? I would like to have a clickable rather than non-clickable (and too small to read) version in List of RHPs in NY. A clickable maps also allows a user to float the cursor over a section, and larger text appears, so a small map is still readable. Although i haven't figured out how to, there are other wikipedians who know how to do this, including Ebyabe who did it for the Florida counties map. doncram (talk) 16:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

New York in the American Civil War

I created a new article that should be maintained under the auspices of this WikiProject - New York in the American Civil War. Please have a look at the article and let me know of any improvements needed. I would like to get this article to GA status over time. Thanks! 8th Ohio Volunteers (talk) 00:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Quite a lot of information but not a single mention of Frederick Douglass who published his North Star in Rochester nor of the recent, New-York Historical Society landmark exhibitions, Slavery in New York [1] [2] and New York Divided [3] and the City's pro-South sentiment. NYCfellow (talk) 16 August 2008 —Preceding undated comment was added at 15:53, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Photo request - Consulate General of Canada in Buffalo

If one wants to, try to take a photo of the Consulate General of Canada in Buffalo, which is located at Suite 3000 of One HSBC Center in Buffalo, New York. This means going up the elevator to Suite 3000 and photographing the entrance or a sign indicating the consulate.

Please be very careful when photographing diplomatic missions; if required, please ask permission from the staff of the consulate and/or the building. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On March 2, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from New York State WikiProject article Bardavon 1869 Opera House.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lisapollison (talkcontribs).

04:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

New York Counties

Many of the New York County articles are missing or have stub Government and Politics sections. I added and started some for a few of them. Cattaraugus County and Putnam County, New York should be used as a models for the ones missing this section or for whose sections are stubs. Bentley4 (User talk:Bentley4) 2:31 PM, 17 August (EST)

04:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


I asked this question on the New York page, and wanted to see what people here thought - seeing you all obviously have an interest in NY.-

  • "I was wondering - has anyone held all the offices of Mayor of New York, Governor of New York, and U.S. Senator from New York, or even two of the three? I can't think of any (recent), yet in most states, it is quite common for big city mayors to become governor, governors to become senators, and vice versa ......"

I got one name - DeWitt Clinton, as well as the interesting fact that no New York City mayor has gone on to higher office since the 1898 consolidation. I might do a little research of my own some time (but for Mayor alone I'll have over 100 names to go through). Does anyone have anything? - Matthew238 (talk) 10:34, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Jason McElwain

For anyone interested, Jason McElwain is now a GA nominee. Any help in making sure it meens GA standards is much appreciated. --Mr.crabby (Talk) 02:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for New York

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Strykersville, New York

Hello. I just created a page on I'll Take You There by Joyce Carol Oates and she mentions a place called Strykersville, New York. Google has pages on it, so it doesn't seem to be a fictional place. Would you be able to find more info and create a page, possibly add some pictures? That would help me a lot in terms of literature.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do, seeing as it's not too far from me :) Paranormal Skeptic (talk) 02:24, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Request for review and assessment of Niagara Falls Suspension Bridge

Hi, I have greatly expanded the article on Charles Ellet, Jr.'s and John A. Roebling's railway suspension bridge (1847–1848, 1851–1897), the predeccesor to today's Whirlpool Rapids Bridge. I am planning to bring this article to FAC, and would greatly appreciate critiques and suggestions on how to improve the article further. Please leave your comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Niagara Falls Suspension Bridge/archive1. Furthermore, I would like to request an assessment of this article's suitability as an A-class article and its importance to the New York project. I feel this bridge should not be low or unclassed to the project as the bridge:

  • established John A. Roebling (builder of the Brooklyn Bridge) as a suspension bridge master,
  • was the first railway suspension bridge,
  • brought a lot of trade into Niagara Falls, New York,
  • was a part of the Underground Railroad,
  • and greatly inspired the nation after the civil war.

Thank you. Jappalang (talk) 00:54, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

The New York Times has been nominated for a Good article nomination

If anyone has got the time, please review The New York Times for its Good article nomination. Thanks in advance! Gary King (talk) 19:02, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Edward M. Cotter (fireboat)

This article has passed review and is now considered a Good Article! Shinerunner (talk) 00:30, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Niagara Falls Suspension Bridge nominated for Featured Article

I have nominated the article for FA. Please take a look and comment at its FAC. Thank you Jappalang (talk) 00:04, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

New article, please review

I've just created Global Strategy Group, a very influential Democratic political consulting firm based in New York City (especially influential in New York state). Anyone with an interest is invited to look it over for improvements and possibly adding it to this WikiProject. I think several of the partners are probably notable enough for their own articles as well. -- Noroton (talk) 15:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Image needs replacement - Cuba (town), New York

Hello all...

An image used in the article, specifically Image:Cuba lk sail.jpg, has a little bit of a licensing issue. The image was uploaded back when the rules around image uploading were less restrictive. It is presumed that the uploader was willing to license the picture under the GFDL license but was not clear in that regard. As such, the image, while not at risk of deletion, is likely not clearly licensed to allow for free use in any future use of this article. If anyone has an image that can replace this, or can go take one and upload it, it would be best.

You have your mission, take your camera and start clicking.--Jordan 1972 (talk) 01:03, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Assistance requested

I realize this is early with the events not scheduled for next February, but I am asking for some help on this since I do not live in New York. At the Lake Placid bobsleigh, luge, and skeleton track in February 2009, they will host the FIL World Luge Championships 2009 that will run from the 2nd to the 8th, then the track will host the FIBT World Championships 2009 that will run from the 18th to March 1. What I need are images of both events as they take place. This includes any bobsledders, lugers, and skeleton racers at the start or finish of the event, in action going through the Devil's Highway (Turns 5-8), or at the medal ceremonies of each event. If anyone is interested, please reply to me. Thanking anyone in advance. Chris (talk) 15:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Buffalo Sabres

Hello to everybody in this project. The WikiProject Ice Hockey is currently looking for editors to help update team articles about the 2008-09 NHL season. If you are interested in the NHL, please consider helping us keep these article current. To sign up, go to this page and add your name beside the team or teams you wish to particpate in. For a guide to expanding the article, see 2007-08 Pittsburgh Penguins season which is currently listed as a Good Article. If you have any questions, feel free to ask at WT:HOCKEY or at my talk page. Hope to here back from you, GrszReview! 16:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

New Square, New York - Make it into a Good Article?

Hi! I am working on New Square, New York and seeing if I am going to make it into a good article. I e-mailed the school board to see which schools this community is zoned to, even though it is a Hasid community with few kids sent to public school. WhisperToMe (talk) 12:58, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


I've just done a major rewrite of Freeport, New York (my home town). Thought someone here might want to know. There is still doubtless far more that could be done, especially in terms of architecture (past and present), the theater/resort scene there in the 1910s-1920s, and images (I'm on the West Coast, so I can hardly head over with a camera). - Jmabel | Talk 18:18, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

New York articles needing geographic coordinates

1,018 articles in Category:New York articles missing geocoordinate data do not have geographic coordinates. Coords are useful for making the article appear on Google Maps & many other mapping services; and they allow our users to click through to see the article subject location on a map. There's a short guide to on how to add geocodes to articles ... it really is very easy to do. I hope you'll take some time to ensure that New York is as well represented as it can be on wikipedia by fixing up the listed articles. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:37, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

As an addendum to the above comment, a large number of New York communities--including many of the towns listed in this category--are missing {{Infobox Settlement}}. If you have the time, please add infoboxes as needed. Thanks! --Schzmo (talk) 21:59, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Should a New Yorker have an infobox, or should he have none because he is a classical composer

Several people from musical Wikiprojects are systematically deleting infoboxes from biographies that are covered by their projects:

Here is an example at: Milton Adolphus, the infobox is currently deleted and needs to be restored if you want to see it in situ.

The discussion is here at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#Individual_wikiprojects_are_deleting_infoboxes_from_articles. As best as I can sum up the argument is that: classical composers as creative people can't be defined by the simple labels used in Musical infoboxes, and as creative people transcend the traditional People infobox which can't capture the essence of what makes them an artist. And of course, some people are just philosophically opposed to any infoboxes, no matter what information they contain.

Milton Adolphus was born in The Bronx. So please help decide if he gets an infobox or not. I assume by the same reasoning, New York wikiproject can decide whether he gets a box or not just as well as Classical music wikiproject can say all classical composers don't get an infobox. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Moving the Justice Courts Page

Hello. I am a member of the WikiProject Oregon and in here in Oregon, we too have "Justice Courts". So I was wondering if we could have this pages content moved to a new page Justice Courts (New York) so that we can set up a corresponding page Justice Courts (Oregon) that describe our Justice Courts, and this page (Justice Courts) be a umbrella article and/or disambiguation page. Thoughts? Lestatdelc (talk) 17:30, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Andes, New York articles

I feel that having two articles about the same place is unnecessary, as is the case of Andes_(hamlet),_New_York and Andes_(town),_New_York. The only difference is that the village of Andes unincorporated itself at the end of 2003. I feel that it doesn't warrant a second article. Besides - the heading for the destination (town) is correct for it's current status, as the term "hamlet" is unofficial anyways, and "the locals" there refer to their government structure and officials as "town" entities. Kacela (talk) 18:14, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Talk page screw-ups

I recently added two tags for the talk page for Category talk:Bus transportation in New York, but instead of tagging it as the "Category" article, like I wanted to, it automatically went to a "Non-Article" article in New York. Meanwhile, the list of category articles is empty, which it shouldn't be. How do I fix this? ----DanTD (talk) 14:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


There apparently was a consensus in October in the magical stub-template land of wikipedia where users decided that New York stubs should be categorized by county and now those who are making the templates are making no exception for the fact that the 5 counties in NYC are not really counties and there is already a NYC stub-template (a basic, plus a tranportation and a structure/building). New York is unique and this push to make NY stub templates conform to other states is ridiculous. I wonder if there is a consensus among NY wikiproject members on whether there should be a fight to keep NYC stub template and do away with individual ones for the boroughs, and whether there should be a movement to make regional templates (Capital District, Southern Tier, Long Island, North Country, Hudson Valley, etc) instead of doing it by county.Camelbinky (talk) 22:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


Needing a citation for the fact that NYPIRG has 2 main offices? The answer is simple, NYC office is the Headquaters but as much of what NYPIRG does is in the legislative arena, the Albany office is the Legislative office, making it a main office as well.

Peter A. Lamia, former NYPIRG Organizer —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:41, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

James Caan's spouse Sheila Ryan

Shows wrong spouse - Sheila Ryan - She died in 1975 while married to Pat Butram. Caan married a Sheila Ryan in 1976. Someone should fix this!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Attributing and contextualizing minority 9/11 theories

Review of Talk:September_11_attacks#Conspiracy_theories would be appreciated. The debate here is not about whether the existence of non-mainstream "conspiracy" theories should be mentioned at all, but rather about whether they should be put in context. By "context," I mean the fact that "conspiracy" approaches have been both rejected and accepted by notable entities. In other words, I mean that which is being removed here and restored here. My position is that the National Institute of Standards and Technology and "the community of civil engineers" (both of which have opposed non-mainstream theories) and a third of the American public (which supports these theories), as reported by Time magazine (which even goes so far as to call them "mainstream," but not so far as to voice its own support of them) are all notable enough to mention. My position is that this balance is fully in accord with the spirit of WP:NPOV, and especially in accord with its WP:DUE section, which states that "If a viewpoint is held by a significant minority, then it should be easy to name prominent adherents" and therefore, as far as I can tell, encourages the attribution of the minority perspective, regardless of how true or false that perspective may ultimately turn out to be. Indeed, in this debate I have cited WP:V, which states that "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." Those who oppose the contextualization of these theories have also pointed to WP:DUE, but in a way that I view to be mistaken--namely, by suggesting that reliable sources should back a theory, while WP:DUE emphasizes the extent to which theories are held, regardless of their veracity, rather than "backed" by any particular types of evidence. Thanks, Cosmic Latte (talk) 01:44, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Note: For those who do not share my position (although the spirit of it also applies to those who do), I've made what I feel to be a basic--yet an important--suggestion in this diff on the 9/11 talk page. Cosmic Latte (talk) 03:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group

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New York photographers?

Hi. I'm working on the article of New York based musician Jimmy Norman (who wrote the lyrics for the Rolling Stones' "Time is On My Side", among other notable achievements). I can't find a usable photo. I understand that he now performs semi-regularly at some place called "Roth's Westside Steakhouse" in Manhattan (a bit of a comedown for a man who has composed songs for Johnny Nash and Bob Marley and recorded with Jimi Hendrix, but so it goes). Any New York photographers able to help out? (Longshot, I know, but I'm hoping.) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:37, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

proposed merge of North River (New York-New Jersey) to Hudson River

The proposed merger of North River (New York-New Jersey) to Hudson River has become surprisingly contentious. Can anyone from this project bring some perspective to the discussion at Talk:Hudson River? Thanks. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 16:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Cafe Au Go Go article

I see there's doubt about the testimony on the Cafe Au Go Go page, but - although I also have no written proof - it looks pretty accurate to me.

The stories of those of us who were actually on the street often are dismissed by academics because we have only our memories to go by.

Because of this, 'official' histories are oft incomplete and riddled with absurd assumptions and errors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Upstate New York

This article seems to be largely an essay consisting of original research, particularly on the fundamental issue of just what constitutes "upstate New York." More participation in this neglected article would certainly be nice. JohnnyB256 (talk) 18:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

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Mamakating, New York#History

The section is pretty much identic with its source, thus should be rewritten. --Matthiasb (talk) 12:04, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


{{NYRepresentatives}} is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2009_April_6#Template:NYRepresentatives. It is heading toward being deleted or chopped up, while no other state is being proposed to be dealt with in the same way.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:25, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Deleted on articles that already have a congressional succession template, and replaced with {{USRepSuccessionBoxNeeded}} on the others. The decision was 12 delete, 3 replace, 2 keep, with ample discussion.
    --William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:03, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Fort Ticonderoga FA candidacy is open

I've nominated Fort Ticonderoga (NHL and NHRP entry) for FA. Feel free to comment, support, or object, on the candidacy page. Magic♪piano 17:58, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Harding Farm

A new article you guys may want to wikify, I declined the speedy on this and the author is cooperative. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 22:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I cleaned it up a little bit. – TMF 14:50, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
You cleaned it up a lot, thanks. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 16:33, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Finger Lakes portal at Peer review

Portal:Finger Lakes is currently undergoing a portal peer review to assess input prior to Featured portal candidacy. Comments would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Finger Lakes/archive1. Cirt (talk) 13:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

mormon temple in Manhattan

There is a Mormon temple in Manhattan. Should the article belong to this WikiProject? LDS-SPA1000 (talk) 18:14, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I doubt anyone would object to either. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 21:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories

Is there an uninvolved editor who'd be willing to assess World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories, and perhaps leave comments? We are trying to improve the quality of that article. Jehochman Talk 18:58, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

My initial reaction, after reading through it a bit superficially, was that it was simply too long given that it is a minority theory. Did you have any specific concerns? --JohnnyB256 (talk) 12:32, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
That's a good summary of my concerns. It is loaded with trivial details that are poorly sourced. I've done some cutting recently, but it could probably use more. Jehochman Talk 13:00, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
One problem is that the lead does not say that the 911 commission either explicitly or implicitly rejected the demolition theories. All that is mentioned are the "mainstream media," a kind of semi-pejorative expression, and the engineering community. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 13:53, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

John J. Flanagan Bio

John J. Flanagan's entry basically reads like a campaign piece, including a first-person reference to "our region's school districts". —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I removed most of a paragraph that read like a campaign flyer. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 12:25, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

mormon temple in Palmyra

There is a Mormon temple in Palmyra, NY. Should the article belong to this WikiProject? LDS-SPA1000 (talk) 02:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

As I understand it, there is no hard and fast rule for inclusion in wikiprojects and I doubt anyone would mind. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 12:27, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

The Villager

It's been raised on OTRS that someone is continually adding unsourced claims to The Villager about the newspaper's origins and, to be more specific, simply the year in which it was started. The article itself isn't sourced though so it's hard to justify one view over the other, aside from the fact that someone who actually works at the newspaper (given their e-mail address it seems likely that they do) has said that these claims are false.

Could someone from this WikiProject take a look, and perhaps reference the basic info on the page, to stop this happening again? Thanks. —Sean Whitton / 12:05, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, silly me - I've added a reference that was already on the page as a straight hyperlink but it's from the newspaper itself so isn't an ideal source. Better sourcing appreciated. —Sean Whitton / 12:15, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Here's a Times article I found via Google.[4] Quite a lot on Google. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 12:22, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

US congressional succession boxen

Each congressional district list has the information, but List of United States Representatives from New York still needs work. The articles themselves have a placeholder Template:USRepSuccessionBoxNeeded (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). You can click on "links" to find those that need work. Look at the template documentation for how to {{subst:USRepSuccessionBoxNeeded}}.
--William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

  • We started with more than 954 boxes needed, on April 15th.
    • 45th, 44th, 43rd, 42nd, 41st, 40th, 39th, 38th, 37th, 36th, 35th districts done --William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:44, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
    • 34th district done -- 924 boxes needed.... --William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
    • 33rd district done -- 905 boxes needed.... --William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:01, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
    • 32nd district done -- 899 boxes needed.... --William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
    • 31st district done -- 874 boxes needed.... --William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:07, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
    • 30th district done -- 849 boxes needed.... --William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:14, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
    • I've started every Congressional District with its first member, to make it easier to build the succession box chain -- 823 more boxes needed.... At this point, having handled 15% of all the NY delegation myself, I'm leaving this for others to finish the process.
      --William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I recommend starting with each first member, then bring up the link to the district list, then copy the information into the next member, one at a time. That's my process, anyway.... It makes it easier to fix numerous date errors, missing disambiguation, etc.
    --William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:25, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Finger Lakes portal at Featured portal candidates

Portal:Finger Lakes is being considered for featured quality status, at the Featured portal candidates process. Comments would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Finger Lakes. Cirt (talk) 20:22, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ralph Bakshi/archive7

Please help out by reviewing the article at the FAC page. Thanks! (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 03:15, 12 May 2009 (UTC))

Hillary Rodham Clinton GAR

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Discussions have been moved to Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Hillary Rodham Clinton/3.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:03, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Featured article candidacy for Battle of Ticonderoga (1759) now open

The featured article candidacy for Battle of Ticonderoga (1759) is now open. Comments from reviewers are needed to help determine whether the article meets the criteria for featured articles; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Magic♪piano 16:02, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


The Marketing Department from NYCEDC would like to upload our new logo. Please contact us directly on our intranet for details. Aho nycedc (talk) 18:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

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Lots of content, lots of problems

Newburgh (town), New York was last assessed as a START, but the article is wicked long now and has multiple issues. Not only could it probably use a reassessment, but it seems badly in need of improvement. --JBC3 (talk) 03:08, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd keep it a start only because labelling it a C is being too generous. I would find who has been the main contributor and suggest nicely to them to look at FA and GA articles on cities and towns in New York state and follow the format used in them first of all. If they dont want to do it, then do it yourself if you are interested in the subject. I've never been to Newburgh so I'm not going to mess with an article about a location I've never been to, have no connections with, and have no interest in I find to do so would be tacky and not productive(plus I have contempt for that particular town and their airport that they think is better than Albany's, number of passengers and planes embarking prove otherwise Newburghians!). Suggestions also should include paring down lists that have entire paragraphs for each person or place. If a place or person in a list has enough info about it that it runs a paragraph, make a freakin stub article about it and par it down to just one sentence for the list. The article looks so much longer than a regular start article because it has so much that doesnt deserve to be there, there is a reason we can do a wikilink and have just a one sentence summary and if people want to know more than can hit the link and read more at the appropriate article. If we had a D ranking that is where this article should be. Everyone doing a city, town, or village article needs to start reading FA articles, especially New York and follow.Camelbinky (talk) 19:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I like the point you make about certain items having enough content to be their own articles. I think that's probably where I'll look first. As far as keeping it a START, I understand your reasoning and, given the content, agree it isn't C-worthy. --JBC3 (talk) 22:32, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm glad we could work together on this issue. I hope this is the beginning of a working relationship. I dont know why, when, or what editors came up with the consensus of the rankings being stub, start, C, B, GA, A, and FA but I'm just GUESSING they didnt put D or anything substantial below C because they didnt want to hurt anyone's feelings giving an article a "failing" grade and "start" sounded more politically correct. I'm sure archived somewhere is the discussion that came up with that system, would love to read it...Anyways, I'd like to hear your opinion on having sections on fire departments and ambulance squads, like Newburgh has and they are IMO are not notable and take up a lot of space for no reason, but I've noticed alot of articles seem to have at least small sections on them, though not many as large as Newburgh's which is at 6 paragraphs and has such minutae as " A Volunteer Ambulance Corps for the Town of Newburgh (TONVAC) was incorporated in October 1967. The first vehicle used was a 1965 Cadillac purchased for $5000.00. Emergency phones were situated in three private homes of Corps members who dispatched members 24/7." Not only would that be the worst paragraph EVER, if not for the fact that there are worse ones in that same section in Newburgh's article but this is worse- that's three pieces of info that are now going to be stuck in my head permanently for no reason, and that angers me because it just pushed out of my brain when Mother's Day is. :-) Camelbinky (talk) 07:30, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
It's because anything that would be D- or F-quality is not suitable for our encyclopedia and should be removed. C-quality is our minimum quality standard for articles with sufficient content not to be "stub" or "start". Powers T 13:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow. Immense article with far too much unsourced content. I always worry that some major boner or hoax may be hiding in an article of such size. There were a few in the Poughkeepsie article, as I recall.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 17:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


I'd appreciate it if one of our New York-based Wikipedians could take a trip to Philipse Manor Hall State Historic Site and photograph the portrait of Rutherford Hayes painted by Thomas Eakins. (see List of works by Thomas Eakins, #473) Raul654 (talk) 21:38, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

NYS Senate Majority/ Temporary President

Can someone review this article and see if the Current situation of the titles being given to two people changes how the article flows. All Major NY papers are claiming that Espada as Temporary President is next in line to the Governor and that Skelos is only Majority Leader. So, either the entire NY Media Establishment can't read the NYS Constitution or the Article makes an assumption that usually holds true but doesn't anymore (talk) 01:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)Stephen

Can you wiki-link the article you want reviewed so its easier to go to? That would help.Camelbinky (talk) 01:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Majority_Leader_of_the_New_York_State_Senate Hope that works (talk) 03:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC)Stephen

Yeah, something's wrong. That article strongly implies that the Constitution assigns President-pro-tem status to the Majority Leader, which would make the little circus Monday odd to say the least. You're right that the media seem to be taking the claim of split power at face value. Powers T 12:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I've made an interim fix in Majority Leader of the New York State Senate by pointing out that the whole thing is disputed by the Democrats. But more work needs to be done, and I think also that the word "disputed" in parenthesis needs to be added after Skelos' name. Are there any other articles that need to be updated? --JohnnyB256 (talk) 14:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
New York State Senate needs to be looked at as well.Camelbinky (talk) 19:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

An IP has made some changes to Majority Leader of the New York State Senate, and I'm not sure about their accuracy but am not sure if I should revert. Would someone please come by and look at it????--JohnnyB256 (talk) 22:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Question: Is there an article on this tempest? If not, shouldn't there be? --JohnnyB256 (talk) 22:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I personally am not a big fan of creating articles on current events since we must take press releases and the media at more or less face value for what they are saying as factual. Plus it requires such constant updating and editing as things change to keep it current. I have a BA in Poli Sci from the Univ at Albany, SUNY and am working on my masters in Poli Sci from MU (Columbia, Missouri) and even I am not quite sure on the legalities of each side's arguments and actions. Short of having an actual prof who specializes on NYS Constitutional law help out on the article perhaps we should wait until this blows over and is finally decided one way or the other as to who was really in charge.Camelbinky (talk) 23:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
It certainly confuses the heck out of me. Here is a sentence from the Majority Leader article: "The motions put forward on June 8 also sought to select Pedro Espada as Temporary President of the State Senate, which would have installed him as acting lieutenant governor. The Democrats have disputed the legitimacy of the motions put forward on June 8th." Dense as all hell, but is it correct? --JohnnyB256 (talk) 23:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
An article on the dispute seems to already have been made so I guess it is a moot point to discuss whether an article on the dispute should be made! Though I do recommend that if those responsible for the creation/maintenance of the new article read this- please put the NY wikiproject banner on the talk page and any other relevant wikiproject banners, currently the talk page doesnt even exist, which is unusual for such a disputed topic, and I think shows that the people of this state arent as worked up for one side or the other and are just sitting (like me) confused as to why the legislature is even doing this in the first place. If this was a contentious issue for NYers we'd see vandals, heated arguments, and edit wars. On a content note- how can we be sure exactly WHAT was said and done in the chamber after the Dems left seeing as how the cameras were turned off. Did the official stenographer stay behind, because I know the other day when the Reps tried to have a session the sten. wasnt there and that was one of several reasons they couldnt do official business (lack of a quorum and the bills for discussion were locked in a cabinet and no one had the key are two more). I know primary sources are frowned upon but in this case a primary source such as the official record of what was said and done on that day might be handy to cite in the article.Camelbinky (talk) 01:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Here is the name of the article, which I found after a lot of searching: 2009 New York State Senate leadership crisis. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 23:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Please note that according to this article in the NY Times[5], Monserrate has flipped back to the Democrats, throwing the whole situation into chaos. I've updated the "main article" but the others should also be updated, and the situation should be monitored to keep these articles accurate and up to date. There is also a court hearing today. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 14:52, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I've put significant work into 2009 New York State Senate leadership crisis, and it's pretty good now, but the section about the 31-31 deadlock is missing some stuff. The article should be easy enough to find now, there's links from all the pages of the people involved, and is even showing up in Google News. I've tried to track down some pictures, and contacted some people who posted their photos to Flickr to license a version of the the article, but no to avail. If anybody can find any pictures of Espada/Monserrate/Smith/Skelos/Ravitch please add them. -- Austin512 (talkcontribs) 22:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Proposed new task force for roads in New York

See WT:USRD#Proposal: new task force for roads in New York. – TMF 03:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Manhattan GA Sweeps: On Hold

I have reviewed Manhattan for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talkcontrib) 19:45, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Geraldine Ferraro FAC

The Geraldine Ferraro article has been nominated for Featured Article status. Support/opposition/comments welcome at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Geraldine Ferraro/archive1. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Southport move suggestion

There is a discussion at Talk:Southport#disambiguation requesting to move Southport and replace it with Southport (disambiguation). Comments welcome! (talk) 23:36, 16 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SpikeTheSpider (talkcontribs)

Title Change for Visitor Centers

The title "Adirondack Park Visitor Information Centers" is incorrect. It should be "Adirondack Park Agency Visitor Interpretive Centers." I work for the APA at the Newcomb VIC and was asked to make the corrections to this Wikipedia entry. It had a number of errors, which I have corrected, but I cannot change the title. APAVIC (talk) 20:15, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Southport move suggestion

There is a discussion at Talk:Southport#disambiguation requesting to move Southport and replace it with Southport (disambiguation). Comments welcome! (talk) 23:36, 16 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SpikeTheSpider (talkcontribs)

Title Change for Visitor Centers

The title "Adirondack Park Visitor Information Centers" is incorrect. It should be "Adirondack Park Agency Visitor Interpretive Centers." I work for the APA at the Newcomb VIC and was asked to make the corrections to this Wikipedia entry. It had a number of errors, which I have corrected, but I cannot change the title. APAVIC (talk) 20:15, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Boundary with New England

I was looking for information on why New England has a relatively even western boundary. The answer must lie in the fact that the probably more powerful New York established an eastern boundary to, more or less, suit itself! Can't seem to find anything on this though. Can anyone help? We are looking for a sentence or two for the article New England. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 21:56, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Why would that be? Straight line boundaries are commonplace. Keep in mind that you're talking about three boundaries: Connecticut, Massachusetts and Vermont. I believe Vermont was at one point part of New York. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 22:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
The boundary between New York and the three New England states that it borders is hardly straight. With Connecticutt there it is made up of several straight lines, but not one straight north-south line. With Massachussetts it is somewhat of a straight line but at an angle compared to the NY-CT border, Vermont's border with NY is gets crooked at points, especially as it goes down the middle of Lake Champlain. The Vermont-NY border is even all that well defined even though it is the 21st century, there are in fact houses that straddle the border, making it hard to define and survey a late 18th century border with 21st century techniques. Vermont was indeed a part of NY, unless you take the view of New Hampshire, or Massachusetts, or Vermont itself, all three of which claimed the area and didnt recognize NY's claim, though NY did incorporate the state within its counties (originally Albany, later two others created from Albany), at least in theory if not always in practice.Camelbinky (talk) 23:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Getting back to the initial question, I'm not certain the straightness or crookedness of the borders is of very much relevancy, or implies much of anything.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 12:44, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I find the question very relevant and my answer answered the question just fine showing that the border is not in fact straight as asked in the question which was not answered by the person claiming to "getting back to the initial question" as if my answer was off-topic. Also- for the person asking the original question- see Boston Corners, New York for a history lesson on a boundary change between NY and Massachusetts relatively recently.Camelbinky (talk) 07:33, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey! Calm down. Just not clear about the relevancy of the straightness of the boundary lines to New England. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 13:11, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I know, I'm sorry, I understand that the boundary lines to most people is not relevant, but there have been several books written concerning boundary lines of the various states of the US and so this is something that people have written about, and people have bought books on, so it is probably relevant to someone. As for the "straightness" I was attempting to show that though on a large scale map the boundaries may appear to be straight they arent. The history of boundary disputes and changes among the US states is actually quite interesting, and the NY border with other states is some of the most interesting of them, Mass actually claimed much of western NY, CT claimed Long Island and everyone claimed Vermont. NY once claimed much of Maine, Marthas Vineyard, (both of those two were even organized as counties by NY), everything in New England west of the CT River, NJ, Delaware, the little bump in PA that Erie occupies, and everything north of the Tennessee River and east of the Illinois River and west of the Appalachians (includes Ohio, Indiana, lower penninsula Michigan, most of West Virginia, most of Kentucky, central Tennessee, eastern and southern Illinois). NY's current borders arent a result of its strength, it was actually considered not that strong of a state at the time of the Revolution and right after, being weaker than PA, Mass, and Virginia. NY's borders are a result of its weakness on not being able to hold on to territories it claimed (such as Vermont) and on the Federal court system stepping in to secure territories for NY such as the Mass claim in western NY (which Mass was allowed to own the land in order to sell it, but NY got jurisdiction). Even most recently NY lost most of Ellis Island because the Supreme Court decided it was NJ territory instead, even though NY had been the acknowledged sovereign for over 100 years. But I know this is all complicated and not interesting to everyone, but I do think it is relevant and there could be important things to add to the New England article regarding its very long border with NY, or regarding NY's border lines and disputes with the New England states. Much of the info I stated is probably on one of the two pages already, if not ask for sources and I'll provide.Camelbinky (talk) 22:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone. I imagine that it was inevitable that NY would enforce a boundary well east of the Hudson. Likewise each New England state, a boundary well west of the Connecticut, each a valuable economic waterway, particularly at the time. The article on Boston Corners also suggests that NY particularly, and the NE states to a lesser extent could really use a "smooth" boundary for logistics reasons. The problem is gleaning those few sentences from a reliable source! (And I may not have covered all the real reasons here).
The "weak" NY theory is interesting. There were certainly politics afoot when confronting Vermont over land grants but it appears to me, in retrospect, that NH had the better claim although it may not have been perfect. It was up to the crown to sort that sort of thing out and, given the time lapse, was probably a messy procedure. And all the states probably were "looking west" (not east) as were all the colonies after the French and Indian War. Student7 (talk) 12:04, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Upstate New York

This article has longstanding problems that need to be addressed. It contains overlong lists and is written in essay style, and while informative it contains far too much original research. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 13:27, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


Chappell's is in dire need of expansion. Can anyone help me dig up sources? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many ottersOne batOne hammer) 15:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Bump up Teddy Roosevelt to top status?

We should. If FDR and Robert Moses are top-priority New York bios, Teddy should be too. Purplebackpack89 (talk) 05:59, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Seeing no objection, I'll be bold and do it. Purplebackpack89 (talk) 17:38, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
12 hours is not a sufficient time to wait IMO. Perhaps a little longer? Cheers, Pmlineditor  17:39, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
With bold, 0 hours is sufficient. Purplebackpack89 (talk) 20:49, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I think top status requirements should be looked at again. Robert Moses and FDR should not be top, and neither should Teddy. Look at the definition of top status please. If the topic of the state of New York can not be explained without knowing of those articles then they are high and not top. I dont think you need to know any of those individuals in order to understand the topic of the state of New York. Perhaps you need to know Robert Moses for the city of New York, but not the state, and governors who werent in Albany for very long arent that important for knowing the state as a topic either (though of the two FDR did accomplish more as guv). A full look at all top status articles needs to be done. Let's put the list here on the talk page and go through each one.Camelbinky (talk) 21:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I would agree; I don't think any single person could really be considered a top-priority New York article. Powers T 14:23, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

<--I, for one, believe that there need to be some biographies in the top, and as FDR and Teddy are the most influential New Yorkers, they should be top Purplebackpack89 (talk) 15:47, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Frankly, I find that assertion dubious at best; neither Roosevelt is so much as mentioned in the New York article, so they can hardly be essential to a basic understanding of the state. Powers T 17:15, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

The full list of Top-importance New York articles:

I think most of these are clearly over-valued. Portal:New York isn't even an article. =) New York should obviously be Top-importance. I think History of New York, Politics of New York, and Geography of New York (which is currently classified High-importance) should also be Top-importance. One could make an argument for New York City and maybe Albany, New York, but I think all the rest are High-importance at best (I'd even drop September 11 attacks to Mid-importance and World Trade Center to Low). Powers T 15:46, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

World Trade Center to low? That's ludacris! Purplebackpack89 (talk) 06:19, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
No, Ludacris is a hip-hop star. The article would be High- and possibly Top- importance for the New York City project, but for the state as a whole, it's just not that important. The 9/11 attacks did not affect the state of New York to any greater degree than they did the entire country. Powers T 15:45, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Robert Moses was one of Al Smith's top aides (together with Belle Moskowitz and others) when Smith left the sidewalks of New York for eight years as Governor in Albany (1919-20; 1923-28). So while Moses is mainly remembered for what he did to (or neglected in) the Five Boroughs, he was also significant as a state official. How significant, and therefore what priority to give him, is a different question. During Moses' heyday, most of New York State's population lived within New York City, so it may be a bit difficult to disentangle. ¶ From my reading of Robert Slayton's (admittedly favorable) biography of Al Smith (Empire Statesman:The Rise and Redemption of Al Smith), Smith's governorship was significant for the state as a whole, more significant than the much-briefer governorships of FDR (1929-32) & TR (1899-1900) —— Shakescene (talk) 00:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Um, no, most of NY's population did not live in the city of NY during Moses' heyday, btw. Downstate importance syndrome. Perhaps The Power Broker would be a more balanced read for you on what Moses and Smith did to NY, both the city and the state; and Moses' very little influence (and in fact contempt for) the state outside of the immediate NY metro area. Other than Moses nixing for a long time the Taconic Parkway (out of spite for FDR) and for a couple of projects mostly hydroelectric in the Buffalo and North Country areas, he really didnt care to nor have any interest in the rest of the state. Moses himself ran for governor, and in fact lost his run for Governor because of the upstate vote even though he ran as a Republican. As for Albany, you really need to have the capital city as top importance, and yes the city of NY should be of top importance also. Other than that nothing but the New York article and its spinoffs (history of... transportation of... etc etc)Camelbinky (talk) 00:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Um (by the way), yes and no. No, I live in Rhode Island, haven't visited New York in six years and have never lived there, so there's no downstate chauvinism or upstate disdain involved. Unless you think of Moses' heyday being the last decade or two of his career, the Five Boroughs did contain most of the Empire State's population, so what affected Gotham, like it or not, is really part of the whole state's history. And Moses, according to Wikipedia's article, held state office simultaneously with his city offices, while some of his major work was in Long Island (which may not be upstate, but belongs in the New York project rather than the NYC one). Of course, that's not conclusive as to how Moses, Al Smith, FDR, TR, the Rockefellers or the Harrimans should be classified, but upstate/downstate doesn't always answer the question, either.
Year 1900 1910 1920 1930 1940 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990
NEW YORK STATE 7,268,894 9,113,614 10,385,227 12,588,066 13,479,142 14,830,192 16,782,304 18,236,967 17,558,072 17,990,455
Upstate mainland 3,698,662 4,166,663 4,528,813 5,193,512 5,420,044 5,989,341 7,033,365 7,789,075 7,880,620 8,058,679
50.9% 45.7% 43.6% 41.3% 40.2% 40.4% 41.9% 42.7% 44.9% 44.8%
Long Island 133,030 180,068 236,366 464,108 604,103 948,894 1,966,955 2,553,030 2,605,813 2,609,212
1.8% 2.0% 2.3% 3.7% 4.5% 6.4% 11.7% 14.0% 14.8% 14.5%
City of New York 3,437,202 4,766,883 5,620,048 6,930,446 7,454,995 7,891,957 7,781,984 7,894,862 7,071,639 7,322,564
47.3% 52.3% 54.1% 55.1% 55.3% 53.2% 46.4% 43.3% 40.3% 40.7%
—— Shakescene (talk) 05:12, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
I think we need to come up with some strongly defined categories of articles suitable for each level of importance (rather than the general descriptions we have on the Assessment page). My suggestions:
  • Top: New York and spinoff articles; New York City, Albany, New York, Buffalo, New York, Rochester, New York, and Syracuse, New York.
  • High: All other cities, all counties (including NYC boroughs), all large geographic areas (e.g., Adirondacks, Finger Lakes), all statewide offices (e.g., Governor of New York), any sub-articles of Top-importance articles (including metro areas); Erie Canal.
  • Mid: All other geographic articles (including state parks and protected areas), National Register of Historic Places listings, individuals and events of historic importance to the state (such as 9/11, Peter Minuit, Robert Moses, any former or current statewide officeholder).
  • Low: All other articles, particularly buildings that just happen to be located in New York, and people who just happened to be live in New York without contributing significantly to the state's history.
Powers T 02:18, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Agree with everything Powers said EXCEPT- no way should Syracuse, Rochester, or Buffalo be top status. That is opening up a can of worms to allow any municipality other than NY (city) and Albany to be top status. NY for being the largest city and of such large importance to national and international culture and Albany for being the capital city and 4th oldest city in the nation (and thereby the oldest city in the state, and it is older than NY because it was settled first). With all due respect to Buffalo et al they arent important to the overall topic of the state, by allowing them top status then any town that is bigger than them will claim "we're bigger, we should get top status as well", Yonkers is a city bigger than Albany and soon probably Syracuse as well (if not already), there is at least one town (name escapes me) that is bigger than Buffalo. The "major cities" should be cities that are the core city of a metro or micropolitan statistical area such as- Yonkers, Syracuse, Rome, Utica, Schenectady, Troy, Glens Falls, Plattsburg, Rochester, Binghamton, Buffalo, and Niagara Falls could be high, then "all other cities" along with towns and villages could be "mid" instead of "all other cities are high". Tiny Sherrill which is a city that is sometimes treated as a village of the neighboring town, or itty-bitty Mechanicville of 5,000 people should not be high status alongside cities that are metro cores. I know our state has a HUGE problem with geographic rivalries and there's the possibility no one from Buffalo would ever agree with Albany being top without Buffalo being there too, but I hope my logic can be seen. (Disclaimer- I am originally from the Albany area and did live in Albany during college).Camelbinky (talk) 04:58, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Oh, and I would add that 'perhaps we may want to consider making it where the current governor is automatically top as well, and our two current US senators are always high. Anyone who is no longer current could be discussed and decided upon on individual case-by-case as they leave office.Camelbinky (talk) 05:04, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I can see bumping up current officeholders; I thought of that after I submitted. As for cities, my thoughts were economic rather than based on population; Yonkers' economy is inextricably tied to that of New York City, whereas the Big 5 are the major independent economic centers of the state. Powers T 13:36, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Ah, ok, now I see, I agree with you on the economic reasoning behind adding those. So, if I am correct, we have a consensus on being top- New York and associated spin-offs, New York City, Albany, New York, Buffalo, New York, Rochester, New York, Syracuse, New York, David Paterson, Chuck Schumer, and Kirsten Gillibrand (which for some reason we had Schumer already but not Gillibrand). I think a good argument could be made for the Thruway article, but I think high is good enough, it could open the way for arguments for the LIE, Northway, high-profile bridges, etc and I'd rather not go down that route. If Powers agrees and nobody has serious objections I'll go ahead and be bold and cut-down the other current tops to high and promote Gillibrand and the cities mentioned.Camelbinky (talk) 02:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree the Thruway is High-importance, along with the Erie Canal. If you're going to bump up Paterson, Schumer, and Gillibrand to Top, though, I believe all current statewide officeholders should be Top-importance as well. (That would add Richard Ravitch, Andrew Cuomo, and Thomas DiNapoli.) Powers T 20:35, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I concur with Powers and since no one else has stepped forward I'll go ahead and make the necessary changes as soon as my other Wikipedia projects are complete if no one else beats me to it. Also- thank you Powers for assessing Tech Valley, I created it and am proud it got a B class, and suggestions on further improvements would be beneficial as I got distracted with other projects before getting it to where I really would like it to be.Camelbinky (talk) 22:58, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
With the state it's in, I'd say your next step should be a formal peer review. Powers T 23:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I went ahead and changed all the tops that shouldnt be there down to high, figured that might go over better than giving them a lower ranking. It might get emotional to some editors so I think I got them all watched, but wont fight the rankings only encourage them to bring concerns here if they disagree. I think I upped all the ones we agreed on, let me know if I missed anything. I may have missed some of the new york spinoffs, will check them as time goes by. Powers may want to go ahead and add his assessment qualifications to the wikiproject page or whereever so we have a somewhere to point people in the future on classifying.Camelbinky (talk) 01:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I've updated the assessment guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject New York/Assessment#Importance scale. I'll drop a note on the talk page with a pointer to here. Powers T 03:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I made one slight change to the wording, I changed "townships" to "towns" since NY hasnt officially used the word "townships" in over 200 years. Townships were a previous form of government used in by the state in some but not all counties prior to the 1788 law that divided the entire state into towns (and the three cities at the time; NYC, Albany, and Kingston) and ended the hodgepodge of terms that NY had- with precients and later townships used in Ulster, townships in Charlotte (Washington), districts in Albany and Montgomery, along with various land patents, charters, and manors all with judicial and municipal rights some overlapping geographically, and the often uncertain municipal rights of the towns of Long Island which had been established by the English colony of Connecticut when NY was still Dutch. For more information see- Timeline of town creation in New York's Capital District and the actual law dividing the state into towns is here.Camelbinky (talk) 07:30, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I used 'townships' to make it clear that we meant 'towns' in the official legal sense rather than the colloquial sense. But I won't quibble. Powers T 14:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC)