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The Blade Artist[edit]

Greatly appreciated if someone wants to add a picture of the cover and expand this article. Thanks!Zigzig20s (talk) 14:50, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I added a pic. U+003F? 18:59, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Number of words[edit]

Are there any (preferably reliable) sources for the number of words in books? Articles where length is important (say those at list of novellas) could benefit from this info, and it allows for better comparison than number of pages. U+003F? 19:02, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

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WikiProject report for Signpost[edit]

Hi! I'm working on a report for the Signpost. Would anyone on WikiProject Doctor Who like to talk about their work here? Please ping me or reply here. Thanks! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 03:24, 8 June 2016 (UTC)


Proposed deletion of The Children's War[edit]

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Lois Lowry- New Taskforce?[edit]

Who agrees that we should have a new taskforce concerning Lois Lowry's books? I mean, two of them have Newberry Medal awards. KangisLOL (talk) 15:15, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of 1945 (Gingrich and Forstchen novel)[edit]

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Novel sales[edit]

Is there a reliable way to find the number of copies that a particular book has sold? I've been struggling through unhelpful web sources for a while now. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 10:20, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

I find sales numbers occasionally in reviews by Publishers Weekly, or in news articles at the time a book comes out and is very successful, or is late in a successful series. Other than that, I have not found where the publishing industry keeps its sales figures. --Prairieplant (talk) 18:24, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Hmm, okay. I'll do a search for things from Publisher's Weekly. It's such an odd thing, though, you would expect publishers to keep better track. Thanks, Vanamonde93 (talk) 04:48, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
  • As far as I'm aware, sales figures are most accurately collected through Nielsen BookScan. I don't know where you access the info, though. maclean (talk) 16:00, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
    • I did try that; but it seems that their charts are protected by a paywall, which I'm not currently willing to invest in. If somebody happens to have access, that would be great. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:47, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
  • It depends on the title, when it was first published, whether it's been republished in other format/s (i.e softcover/paperback) and so on. Sometimes the first edition print runs can be found and info about which formats. But the sales numbers aren't generally available. Victoria (tk) 11:47, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
The Wray interview (already cited in the article) has her describing how she is in a higher rank than other authors she names, but no numbers. If that pay wall cannot be broken at a library, this may be difficult. When she dies, her obituaries may indicate sales in addition to her impact on other authors and her jumping about in genres, acceptance as a literary writer. So far, sales are not included in her interviews, as sometimes happens with an author. Publishers Weekly reviewed her 1969 novel in 2000, noting her awards, but no comment on sales. You could see if her novels ever made the best-seller lists. That still will not give you sales of a novel out since 1969, but it might indicate the relative size of her audience. I am thinking of Patrick O'Brian, writer of historical fiction, for whom sales totals were revealed in the year of his death and then the large increase in 2004 to 6 millon sold noted by Publishers Weekly, reviewing his last book published posthumously. The sales of one volume were not revealed, it was the series of 21 novels in whole that was quoted. Alexander McCall Smith, still living, had an abrupt increase in sales when his series, The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency was published in the USA as well as by UK publishers. Huge increase, fan sensation, reviews by famous people, are words easy to find, but no numbers come with those words. Sales of books written by Agatha Christie are estimated at 2 billion. Your question piques my interest, because the best seller lists presume someone has access to sales data week by week. The ranks are published but not the sales volume. Someone must be aggregating the weekly sales, if only to pay the author their royalties. How secret are those numbers? --Prairieplant (talk) 06:51, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks; this is actually useful because it confirms a hunch I had. I've been trawling through interviews as well, and I'll probably keep doing that; but given my current location I'm not likely to get past a paywall anytime soon. Thanks anyhow! Vanamonde93 (talk) 09:21, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, its quite rare to publish sales numbers outside of internal materials, unless it used for marketing. The publishing industry's sense of scales (10s of thousands of books is quite a success), frequently seems disproportionate to the impact that works have (especially as the internet and novelistic television series have become more popular). Like Prairieplant, my best point of reference is usually dead folks, and claims being made by reporters or academics about those dead folks. If you look back before the 40s and 50s, I am pretty sure that publication/print run information is more common, but you probably have to dig into local newspaper archives -- which are always hit or miss. I find the Unsworth Bestsellers database to be really useful, but scope of coverage is very limited -- and is only worked on when Unsworth has graduate classes about book history. Its a very nice source though: its edited book histories, compiled by graduate students. Sadads (talk) 13:26, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
That doesn't contain the book I'm working on now, but that is an excellent resource, thank you! Vanamonde93 (talk) 14:58, 11 July 2016 (UTC)