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GA review[edit]

The Sword of Shannara, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by N2e (talkcontribs) 20:25, 3 February 2014‎ (UTC)

Category definition[edit]

The instructions for Category:Child characters in literature (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) state "As with real children, the term refers to characters who are understood to be biologically and/or chronologically under age 21 during the course of a film in which they are depicted." The age of 20 is far beyond the age of childhood for science and numerous religions. The sourced info in our article child states "is generally a human between the stages of birth and puberty" and the sourced info in the puberty article gives the ages of 10-11 for girls and 11-12 for boys. I propose that we change the wording in the instructions to give the age of 12 as the cutoff for this category. Now if we want to use 13 or even 14 to error on the side of caution that would be okay but IMO this cat should not be in articles where the young characters are older than 14. Any and all input on this will be appreciated. When a consensus is reached we should add the new instructions to the cat page and to any appropriate MOS's. I am cross posting this at the books project as well. If there is a better place to centralize this discussion let me know and I will move it there. MarnetteD|Talk 20:15, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

True, but. One follow-up question and some observations:
  1. Do you suggest a new category Teen characters in literature or Young adult characters in literature?
  2. Almost all of our Child writers were teens/YA when they wrote their published works. Right?
  3. Our Children's writers are defined comprehensively, with Writers of young adult literature a subset. Same for Children's magazines. Same for Series of children's books. Children's non-fiction books is simply comprehensive --without any teen/YA subset. Offhand I suppose that is generally true under Children's fiction books where the category tree is too big to examine now. At Children's literary awards we imply that Young adult literature awards are distinct, but too many awards are comprehensive or multiple regarding audience ages.
--P64 (talk) 21:29, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. The reason I brought it here was due to child cats being added to A Clockwork Orange related articles. I was referring to fictional characters so some of your points go beyond that situation. Here is a link to the discussion at the film project about this Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Archive 55#Child category definition. Of course this project is not obligated to follow anything that was decided there. I do like the "child" "teen" separation. I would avoid "young adult" as that is such a subjective term but that is just me. If there is reliable sourcing for it in an article then I guess it might be part of the mix. I guess this is just a "get the conversation started" kind of thing. Anything that this project decides will be fine with me. MarnetteD|Talk 22:02, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
I realize that this is splayed out over several projects P64. Please feel free to move this to wherever you feel is best for centralizing things. Thanks again for picking up on this. MarnetteD|Talk 22:07, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Everyone: I posted notice of MarnetteD's double-post to a third project at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Children's literature#Children are pre-teens, right? and notice of both that action and my reply here at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Books#Category definition (where the same six weeks have passed with no reply). In the latter location I added that WP Children's lit may be the best place in principle, but not in practice because that project is nearly dead. --P64 (talk) 22:54, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm not in favour of having a separate teen category. There is already a recognized problem with characters maturing to adulthood during the book or book series; having to sort out exactly how old a young character is and whether he or she is more "child" or more "teen" on the whole – it would just be silly. Child characters in literature isn't even a very big category. I don't like the wording as it is, though. It should be simpler, even if it means people interpret it variably. Robina Fox (talk) 06:19, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Southern Cross (wordless novel) Featured Article Candidate[edit]

I've nominated the article for Laurence Hyde's wordless novel, Southern Cross (wordless novel), as a Featured Article Candidate. Please contribute to the review here. Thanks! Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 12:03, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Italics for series titles[edit]

Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Titles § Italics for series titles for a discussion on the use of italics for titles of book series. sroc 💬 05:10, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

R Is for Rocket listed at Requested moves[edit]

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Goat Days listed at Requested moves[edit]

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God's Mischief listed at Requested moves[edit]

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Kesavan's Lamentations listed at Requested moves[edit]

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Announcing a new WikiProject for Romance[edit]

I've started a new WikiProject for romance and thought I'd see if anyone was interested in joining? Since the scope encompasses more than books< I didn't feel like it could be solely a task force here or on WP:WPBIO. Anyway, I've got the bones set up and will keep working on getting guidelines and tasks hammered out. I'll definitely be pointing people here for the parts that overlap with this WP. Looking forward to getting it rolling and recruiting any interested members! :) plange (talk) 02:34, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Discussion on Work dates in Navboxes[edit]

Important conversation going on at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Templates#Consistent_formatting_of_template_titles_for_navboxes_of_literary_works: please join, 15:29, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Definition of noir[edit]

Noir fiction starts with the (to me) surprising diktat that

Noir fiction (or roman noir) is a literary genre closely related to hardboiled genre with a distinction that the protagonist is not a detective, but instead either a victim, a suspect, or a perpetrator. I'm not sure who uses this definition, but it doesn't seem to be the readers. See Talk:Noir fiction#Not the detective?. Please {{Ping}} me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 04:03, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

IP user and plot summaries[edit]

The section heading is from WP Film (which i visited for the first time last hour) where it originated as far as I know three months ago, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Archive 56#IP user and plot summaries.

Six weeks ago, evidently the same person (I posted what follows at WP Film talk too):
Contributions by user 2600:1006:B107:50A:B54A:54DC:4A42:DE45 covers a single 200-minute session 2015-05-10 quite destructive in some cases. The big changes reported in red primarily concern plot summaries. Some of the articles have not been changed subsequently (labeled "current" in that report) and I suppose that some others of the massive deletions remain intact. The High King is a novel I know and I reverted its change 15 hours go.
(end verbatim cross-post)

Commonly the summaries such as "cut the plot to the perfect size" cover simple deletion of whole paragraphs, as much as 80% of the bloated plot summary in one consecutive swath from its middle. --P64 (talk) 15:20, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Probably I should have linked my companion notice to the current WP:FILM talk, namely WT:FILM#IP user and plot summaries. Later that day, User: NinjaRobotPirate replied there in part, "Update: I went through and reverted his edits." --P64 (talk) 15:53, 29 June 2015 (UTC)