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Suggestion that this taskforce become the "Rick Riordan Taskforce"[edit]

As Rick Riordan has been steadily at the top of children's literature bestseller and favorite author lists, maybe a way to get this WikiProject reactive would be to change it from solely Percy-Jackson related to include the Kane Chronicles and upcoming Magnus Chase series; perhaps even the Tres Navarre novels should be included, for the sake of completeness.

Support - I am not active in this group, but it seems like a reasonable expansion and a good way to get targeted support on the topic. I would strongly recommend finding other people to collaborate on the articles with you, Sadads (talk) 14:20, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Support - But maybe we could retain the Percy Jackson Task Force as a subgroup for Riordan's young-adult mythological works (retaining that name for want of a better one) and have another subgroup for his works aimed at adults? Methychroma (talk) 07:08, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

VOTE HERE for a change to the member requirements or scope of the project[edit]

What do you think? Propose changes to the member requirements or project scope below. Please remember to sign your posts. Only supporter and active member votes will be counted. (In response to the July 2015 roll call).

Member req.: At least three constructive edit to a page or pages in the project watchlist, or a response to a roll-call, every 3 months. Scope: task-force should cover all Rick Riordan-related articles, but not those related to the books' publishers. See the previous section on this talk page. 2ReinreB2 (talk) 04:06, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Article for "The Crown of Ptolemy"[edit]

How come we don't have one yet? I guess I could read up on how to create pages and then create one for this story that's been out for months. (!?) I was just wondering. Methychroma (talk) 07:02, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

  • I just created a draft article and will expand on it a bit before I submit it for review. Methychroma (talk) 16:13, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
    • It's been submitted. Methychroma (talk) 01:22, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
      • I noticed that it's been declined. Would you mind if I help edit it? Zussman1 (talk) 09:19, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
        • You could. The main problem, according to the reviewer that declined it, seems to be that I haven't established notability and would need reviews, sales figures, etc. I don't know what reviews would be acceptable (Goodreads? Barnes and Noble? New York Times? Amazon?) and I don't know where I could get figures in terms of copies sold and so forth. Methychroma (talk) 20:47, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Adding Demigods of Olympus and PJ/Kane Chronicles crossover series[edit]

Demigods of Olympus is an interactive short story series about you being a demigod (more info here and here). I have already added it the Rick Riordan page and am wondering about whether to add it to the Camp Half-Blood chronicles page and/or give it it's own page. What do you think? On an unrelated note, should we create a page for the PJ/Kane Chronicles crossover short story series? Zussman1 (talk) 11:09, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Seems to me the Demigods of Olympus series should definitely be mentioned on the Camp Half-Blood chronicles page. It also seems noteworthy enough that a draft of an article could be started -- but I would wait until there are several noteworthy secondary sources to try to make an official article. Feel free to suggest its creation in the "requests" section of the to-do list, or handle it yourself.
As far as the Kane/PJ crossover series goes, I'm not sure how continuous the stories actually are -- as in, do outside sources consider them to be a series, or just extras added in to some books? If you can track down outside sources referring to the short stories as a single unit, then I'd go ahead and get that page drafted. Otherwise, I'd hold off on that. 2ReinreB2 (talk) 22:24, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Plot formatting in book pages[edit]

  1. In some of the pages about the books, the prophecy section either appears as a separate section than the plot (The Titan's Curse), part of the plot (The Lightning Thief), or doesn't appear at all (Sea of Monsters). The order in which the prophecy and the summary appear isn't consistent either. For the sake of aesthetics and convenience, I feel that there should be a standard order and placement. Perhaps we should have an overarching heading called "Plot" with two subsections called "Summary" and "Prophecy"?
  2. In the "Plot" section of The Son of Neptune the summary is very long. Should it be that way or should it be shorter?
  3. In articles of the books which only have partial prophecies, such as The Son of Neptune and The Blood of Olympus, should we include the prophecies? Zussman1 (talk) 15:12, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

@Zussman1: Thanks very much for bringing this up, as it bothers me, too. Here are my thoughts on each of your points:

  1. For all articles Plot should be a main section, with a brief summary immediately below. A subsection of "Plot" should be Prophecy. A sub-subsection called Meaning should follow. This way readers will see summary --> prophecy referred to in summary --> explanation of prophecy/sum-up of plot. Almost the way The Lightning Thief is currently organized.
  2. Shorter, shorter, shorter! The length proposed in 2009 was ≈ 400 words; I've continued that idea because I don't have a better one. The Sea of Monsters has the shortest summary. If the plot summaries on the main Percy Jackson & the Olympians and Heroes of Olympus pages are brought to ≈100 words, then we could get away with The Lightning Thief's length for individual book pages. Super-short main page summaries = medium-length book page entries. Nearly all summaries are currently too long.
  3. If a book does not have its own unique prophecy, don't include it. Put a see-also link to the first page where the prophecy is listed (or list the prophecy on the main series page and link to there).

My main concern is keeping the plot sections to a reasonable length, so non-task-force editors won't flag our pages for having "excessively detailed" summaries. How does all that sound to you? 2ReinreB2 (talk) 23:02, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

@2ReinreB2: Ok, thanks! Being a fairly new editor I appreciate all the help! Zussman1 (talk) 15:18, 18 August 2015 (UTC)