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WikiProject icon This page is within the scope of WikiProject Psychoactive and Recreational Drugs, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of psychoactive and recreational drugs on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
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Broaden scope and rename project[edit]

This WikiProject seems to be inactive. I think part of the reason is that it is too specific. Why not broaden the scope and rename the project to something like "Recreational and entheogenic drugs"? Sizeofint (talk) 20:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea, and I would support that change. It might also be a good idea to put notices pointing to this discussion at WT:WikiProject Pharmacology, and perhaps at WT:WikiProject Medicine. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:23, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
perhaps a refined name that will catch the readers attention--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Sure 'entheogenic' catched me, but that wouldn't help much. Why tryWhy not try: "Recreational and spiritual drugs" (did I?). -DePiep (talk) 22:56, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
I find "entheogenic" kind of un-catchy, too. Maybe "Recreational and shamanic drugs"? (I think drugs can be used spiritually, but they can't really be spiritual.) --Tryptofish (talk) 23:11, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
I was only joking. A punishment for having to look up that word. -DePiep (talk) 23:17, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I realized that! :) --Tryptofish (talk) 23:57, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Judging from the entheogen article, entheogenic is a catch-all descriptor for drugs used in religious, spiritual, or shamanic settings. IMO this makes it the correct word to use. As noted, it does have the disadvantage of being somewhat obscure. Sizeofint (talk) 06:31, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Indeed, it's a subjective call. My opinion is that it's so obscure that it will counteract the very reason for considering the name change: people seeing it will feel like it's something very technical and outside of their editing interests, and it will be an obstacle to attracting more active editing. But it does have the advantage of precision. I recognize also that religious and spiritual are not exactly the same thing as shamanic, but on the other hand, I think that those are distinctions that we need not make in the project name. I've tried to think of other alternatives, and the best I could come up with is ethnopharmacology, which does not work, because it encompasses pharmacologies of all sorts, outside of the mind. Another possibility might be "WikiProject Recreational drugs", and just leave it at that, explaining the spiritual aspects in the text but not in the name. Doing that raises the issue of whether it is demeaning to those cultures for whom the religious uses are a serious enterprise, not recreational. I could live with that, but I can also see how there can be valid objections. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:57, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
What about "Recreational and religious drugs"? It has a nice alliteration and I expect people will have a better handle on the meaning of "religious" than "shamanic". Those people who are spiritual but not religious will likely take issue but I think it can easily be inferred that the project covers spiritual uses as well. Sizeofint (talk) 00:34, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Good, I think that's the best suggestion so far! I could happily support that, although I guess a case could be made for something like "religiously-used" or "religion-based" instead of "religious". --Tryptofish (talk) 18:14, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
As an uninvolved third party, I think adding religion to the name will do more harm than good. Some will not come to this project because it contains the word religion. Others will specifically come to this project just because it has the word religion. Having religion in the title may also completely change the direction of this project, and I can foresee potential POV pushing in both directions. I think the scope of entheogenic (and religiously-used) drugs is completely appropriate, but I'd keep the project name simple. "Recreational drugs" should be sufficient. --Scott Alter (talk) 19:17, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
That hadn't occurred to me, but I think you are right. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:42, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I think that is a good point and I am not opposed to going that route. What about "Recreational drugs and entheogens"? The weight is on the Recreational drugs portion so I think people will have get a good sense of the purpose of the project at a glance. Entheogen is easier to lookup than entheogenic for those curious. Sizeofint (talk) 22:37, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm still kind of stuck on the over-technicality of that term. It occurs to me that we could go in a different direction instead, by focusing on what the drugs do more than on their religious/spiritual aspects. And for the reasons that Scott Alter pointed out, it would really be best for the Project not to advertise the POV-laden religious aspects anyway. Perhaps: "Recreational and psychoactive drugs" or "Recreational and psychotropic drugs"? Those are also technical terms, but they are more widely familiar and their meaning is intuitively obvious. Our page on psychoactive drugs is pretty much what this Project is about, and psychotropic drugs redirects to it. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:08, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Are there recreational drugs that aren't psychoactive? If not we could just call it "Psychoactive drugs". Going this route makes it more of a task force within WikiProject Pharmacology - not necessarily a bad thing but something worth thinking about. Sizeofint (talk) 00:43, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
I think the answer to that question is no, because to be recreational, a drug has to be experienced as pleasurable, and to be pleasurable, it has to be psychoactive. So all recreational drugs (or pretty much all, for all practical purposes) are psychoactive, but not all psychoactive drugs are recreational. (Naloxone would be a good example of a drug that is definitely psychoactive, but would not be useful recreationally, and indeed is used to suppress recreational drug use. And pretty much all of the medicines used for psychiatric disorders are psychoactive, but have either limited or no use for recreation.) I'd be fine with switching the order, to "Psychoactive and recreational drugs", as that puts the more general class first, but I'd be reluctant to prune it all the way to just "Psychoactive drugs", because that would actually expand the topic area to include all the medical drugs. I also continue to be OK with just "Recreational drugs". --Tryptofish (talk) 20:00, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
I like "Psychoactive and recreational drugs". If we have consensus going with this I suppose the next steps are to move the page and change the project banner template. Sizeofint (talk) 22:50, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
That sounds good to me. Let's give it a few days in case any other editors disagree, and if not, then we should go ahead as you described. Thanks for raising the issue in the first place. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:39, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Not a bad name change, it was needed.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 15:06, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Now all we just need some contributors :) Sizeofint (talk) 19:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
They're too stoned to write. Face-smile.svg --Tryptofish (talk) 23:03, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I am willing to contribute. Tell me how can I help. Please message me. User:zahid2cyborg —Preceding undated comment added 09:04, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Posted on talk page. Sizeofint (talk) 17:33, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Importance rating now implemented[edit]

Please add importance ratings on the talk page as you come across unrated articles. Thanks! Sizeofint (talk) 18:45, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Also added a Redirect option for class type. You can now use this instead of NA or other classes on redirects. Sizeofint (talk) 09:05, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Fixed quality/importance table[edit]

Check out the new quality/importance table on the main page. On a related note, does anyone know how to get the WikiWork factors section to show? Sizeofint (talk) 17:46, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Combine this project with WP:WikiProject Drug Policy[edit]

I have made at post about this at WT:WikiProject Drug Policy. Please make any comments there. Sizeofint (talk) 17:49, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Popular articles[edit]

WikiProject Medicine has a good tool for determining popular medical articles. Since a lot of the articles in this project are also medicine articles it is useful for this project too. Check out User:West.andrew.g/Popular medical pages to see this week's list. Sizeofint (talk) 17:54, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Performance enhancing agent listed at Requested moves[edit]

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Task force: Inducing Altered States of Consciousness[edit]

We're a group of ~ 7 people interested in methods to induce altered states of consciousness. This includes pharmacological methods like DNMA, PCP, caffeine, but also non-pharmacological methods like yoga, isolation tanks or meditation. Do you think this is the right place to open a task force to work on the related Wikipedia articles or should we form a new WikiProject? Thanks for your help! JananinaScott (talk) 11:02, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, good question. This seems like a topic that overlaps this project as well as WP:WikiProject Spirituality and WP:WikiProject Psychology. As the project currently stands this wouldn't be the best place for a task force. However, this project is fairly dead. I broadened its scope some months back which didn't seem to attract many new contributors. I would be open to broadening the scope of this project again to cover Altered States in general. Sizeofint (talk) 11:48, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
It may make more sense to edit for a while before we decide to make a drastic change. In the meantime feel free to use this project as a discussion space. Sizeofint (talk) 11:55, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. So, we'll open a new subgroup within your project and see how it goes. Just give us feedback if you think it's not the right place anymore. JananinaScott (talk) 09:42, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Performance-enhancing substance listed at Requested moves[edit]

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Cannabis (drug) listed at Requested moves[edit]

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Upcoming "420 collaboration"[edit]

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You are invited to participate in the upcoming

"420 collaboration",

which is being held from Saturday, April 15 to Sunday, April 30, and especially on April 20, 2017!

The purpose of the collaboration, which is being organized by WikiProject Cannabis, is to create and improve cannabis-related content at Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects in a variety of fields, including: culture, health, hemp, history, medicine, politics, and religion.


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