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Template:PBS member stations outside of the United States[edit]

Is there any use for {{PBS member stations outside of the United States}}? I converted it to a navbox, but it is small and PBS isn't mentioned at any of the articles. I don't know of a parent article, either. —PC-XT+ 05:56, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

That template is complete bullshit, asserting but not sourcing that three commercial stations in Canada are PBS members. And none of them have any evidence of a PBS affiliation locatable anywhere else either. I've speedied it as a WP:HOAX. Bearcat (talk) 19:39, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Officers, Directors, Trustees, Key Employees, and Highest Compensated Employees [excluding compensation][edit]

Hello. Until the compensation issue is sorted out. I would like to roll out the "Officers, Directors, Trustees, Key Employees, and Highest Compensated Employees" info, minus the compensation column.
Please see the proposed section on the WNYC talk page.

Thank you. Formulairis990 (talk) 20:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

RIP Dravecky[edit]

It is with a heavy heart that I must annouce that Dravecky has passed away. He passed on April 23, 2016 while he was attending WhoFest in Dallas. He was 47.

As most of you know, Edtypically worked here in the radio station areas, but he did work on Texas and Huntsville history as well. He was a prolific DYK'er as well. Dravecky attended Georgia Tech and was a former disc jockey, hence his love for radio. He co-founded FenCon and was well known in the science fiction and fantasy convention world.

His friends and family have set up a GiveForward account to help with funeral expenses.

He leaves behind his longtime girlfriend Robyn, his family, his friends in the CON community and his friends here on Wikipedia. - NeutralhomerTalk • 00:20, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry to see this. His contributions -- both to this project and to the site overall -- will live on. Levdr1lp / talk 23:04, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
It seems like a lifetime ago, but I remember the name "Dravecky" well. The number of radio station articles the two of us moved around to firmly implement the established naming conventions which are still in use today is likely obscene. His was always a username that, when it appears in your watchlist, there is no need to even check if the change was correct/warranted/appropriate/etc. - it had to be, because Dravecky made the edit. RIP. JPG-GR (talk) 03:07, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Here is a link to his user and talk page and contributions: Dravecky (talk · contribs). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:38, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Damn, Dravecky was a great guy and awesome contributor and one of the rocks of WPRS with some work on TVS too. Apologies for the late response on here but he will definitely missed. My thoughts are with his family and friends, and all of you who knew him from here. Nate (chatter) 17:24, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Auto-assessment of article classes[edit]

Following a recent discussion at WP:VPR, there is consensus for an opt-in bot task that automatically assesses the class of articles based on classes listed for other project templates on the same page. In other words, if WikiProject A has evaluated an article to be C-class and WikiProject B hasn't evaluated the article at all, such a bot task would automatically evaluate the article as C-class for WikiProject B.

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An IP editor keeps reverting my edit on KCMP's page, in which I have changed "short-lived 1990s station REV-105" to "the former Rev 105", as, to me at least, when Rev 105 was operation doesn't seem germain to the article about KCMP. I don't wish to engage in an edit war, and have left messages on a couple of IP addresses' talk pages stating my reasoning. Frankly, the whole KCMP page seems to read like the station's advocates are writing loving, unsourced things about the station (where it takes its inspiration from, for example). Again, I don't wish to engage in an edit war, so if anyone has any constructive comments/criticism to make the page more neutral & a better read, please do.Also, if I am right or wrong in my stance, please let me know & why. Stereorock (talk) 17:32, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Notability of proposed but not launched radio stations[edit]

I have a question which I'd like to raise for discussion, about a potential conflict between WP:NMEDIA and actual practice.

Officially, NMEDIA confers notability on a radio station only if it meets both of two conditions: possessing a broadcast license and having an established broadcast history (i.e. actually operating). In practice, however, WPRS has frequently looked the other way on the second condition, allowing an article about a proposed but not yet launched radio station to stand as soon as its license approval or "construction permit" is granted.

There's an example of the limitations of this approach unfolding in Montreal right now, where a company called TTP Media was granted three licenses in 2013 for stations on AM 600, AM 850 and AM 940 — as of June 19, however, the 850 license has expired unbuilt, and while 600 and 940 are technically still active licenses, they're also both still unbuilt as of today and will expire in November if they haven't been launched by then. Furthermore, apparently Montreal's established news media have been able to find no discernible indication of TTP engaging in the amount of corporate activity that would have to be happening right now in order to get two radio stations launched by November. So, while acknowledging that WP:CRYSTAL prevents me from stating anything definitive yet, the balance of probabilities at this point is that none of the three stations is actually going to launch. Accordingly, I've already had to nominate 850 for deletion, and while for the moment I'm waiting for it to become official in the case of 600 and 940, they're likely to have to be deleted in the fall as well.

This, then, is my question: should WPRS continue to permit articles about stations that have been licensed but not yet launched, and then target the ones that expire unbuilt for deletion only after they expire, or should we take NMEDIA more seriously by cracking down on articles about unlaunched stations, and switch to restricting them to draftspace until such time as they actually launch? I personally lean toward the latter, but I can see valid arguments for the former — so I'm raising this discussion as a consensus test rather than arbitrarily imposing my personal preference or proceeding with any immediate deletions beyond the one station that's already verifiably DOA. Bearcat (talk) 19:54, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

If the station hasn't launched, actually begun broadcasting, like AM850 in Montreal, then it is not notable. Dravecky nom'd a few "on paper" stations before and I supported those deletions. - Neutralhomer has EscapedTalk • 20:41, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
The issue is that we haven't been consistent about that, however. Category:Proposed radio stations currently contains over 30 other stations that (a) have launched and should thus be removed from it, (b) are still in the construction pipeline and thus wouldn't have articles at all yet if we were actually being strict about following our own stated rules, or (c) expired unbuilt and will never launch at all, but never actually got deleted for some reason — I can review the Canadian ones right now to determine which camp each one belongs in, but somebody with better knowledge about US broadcasting will have to work on the US side (I can AFD the ones whose articles already say the CP expired unbuilt, but I don't necessarily know where to figure out if a station is operating or not if its article doesn't already say it's dead.) Not to mention that if we were really following our rules properly, Category:Proposed radio stations wouldn't even exist as a category because there wouldn't be any articles to file in it. Bearcat (talk) 20:47, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
Update: I have now removed the category from several stations that are in full operation, and have listed several for deletion whose articles explicitly state that their CPs are expired. I'm continuing to investigate the remaining Canadian stations, but still require some assistance with the American ones that haven't been resolved yet. Bearcat (talk) 23:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
Bearcat: Well, to be honest, the Proposed Radio Station category was part of Dravecky's editing. No one picked it up after his passing. It, admittedly, fell by the wayside. Let me finish dinner (about 5 minutes) and I will take a look at the ones left in the category. - NeutralhomerTalk • 00:17 on August 14, 2016 (UTC)
@Bearcat: So far KCIZ-LP and KMFE-LP look to be stations that are in the process of being built. Someone just jumped the gun in creating the articles.
KNAN still had the category on the page, but it is on the air. I removed the category.
KWXR is licensed, but silent. That AfD should be withdrawn. KXWY is also licensed.
Unfortunately, KXWY and KWXR are owned by Cochise Media Licenses and they are notorious for not having any web presence, having anything out there about their stations' formats, nothing.
KXZS has been around since 2008, KZXT has been around since 2006. Both stations are in the process of being sold from different companies to JER Licenses. As such, they are currently silent, but not proposed. I removed the category from both pages.
W263CL no longer exists. There isn't a license for that station in the FCC database. Probably moved during the current "Add a Translator to an AM Station to Save AM Radio" mess the FCC is got going on.
There has been no movement on WEAD-LP since 2014. I would nominate that one until there is some movement on the CP.
WESL no longer exists. Nothing in the FCC database regarding it. Nominate that one too.
There hasn't been any movement on WJQY-LP since 2014 either. Add that one to the nominate pile.
The Facebook page for WSPJ-LP says they'll be "coming to a device near you" in 2015. Their website says they'll be "lighting up" in 2016. Unfortunately, they haven't had any movement since 2014. Add it to the nominate pile.
No movement on WVDJ-LP since 2015. Add it to the nominate pile.
I'm going to leave the Canadian ones up to you, since you know more about Canadian radio than I ever will - NeutralhomerTalk • 00:50 on August 14, 2016 (UTC)
Going by what the KWXR article says, that station has never actually broadcast at all, but has only ever existed as a non-operating "silent" station. I'm willing to reword my nomination for clarity, but a station in those circumstances doesn't pass NMEDIA just because it has a license, because it still has no established history of actually broadcasting a signal — it's still a thing that IMO we shouldn't have an article about until its owners actually get some real programming up and running. If you disagree, then you can express in the AFD discussion why it should be kept — but I'm not willing to withdraw the nomination if that's the circumstance it's in. Bearcat (talk) 00:35, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
All of the Canadian ones have now been either updated to reflect their current activity, redirected to another article in a few cases, or listed for deletion if their launch remained unverifiable. Bearcat (talk) 00:46, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
I see your point when it comes to KWXR. After looking through the FCC filings, it appears they took the station silent immediately after receiving their License to Cover (LTC). Since they do have their LTC, one could say they meet NMEDIA, but others could say they don't since they haven't broadcast anything. I'm on the fence on this one. - NeutralhomerTalk • 00:59 on August 14, 2016 (UTC)
While it's probably not applicable to the stations we are talking about right now, it is possible that a proposed radio station will meet WP:GNG even if it does not meet any radio-station- or media-specific guideline. Obviously, such a station can have an article. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:06, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
To say a guideline "confers" notability kind of bothers me. Maybe I'm being too literal, but the phrase seems to give the guideline "Royal power to bestow notability by decree." I can almost hear an electronic voice saying "I King Guideline Notability Media hereby dub thee article 'notable' as a media-related article and are hereby entitled to all of the rights and privileges thereof."
I find it much more helpful to think of it this way: Guidelines attempt to distill the "consent opinion" of Wikipedia editors over time into written form. Notability guidelines attempt to summarize and reflect the community's idea of what makes a topic notable. It is this "community idea" of notability - which cannot be known with certainty and which is constantly evolving - that actually determines what is and is not notable. All a notability guideline does is say that an article very likely is or is not notable by Wikipedia standards.
I think most regular editors "get" this idea, but I'm putting it here for the relative newcomers who may come away with the idea that notability guidelines are some kind of official document with magic powers to declare a topic notable or not, without recourse or appeal. Even a topic that seems, at first glance, to meet the notability guidelines can be challenged and deleted for lack of notability, and the guidelines themselves are subject to revision. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:06, 20 August 2016 (UTC)