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Compressor diving :: rename?[edit]

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Your opinions and advice[edit]

A recently discussion Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Women's Sport. Your opinions and your advice are welcome. --Geneviève (talk) 23:03, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Merge all underwater search articles to Underwater searches[edit]

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The articles Circular search, Jackstay search should be merged and new sections created for other search patterns such as Spiral box search, Compass grid search etc. Redirects for existing article titles to the new page. These search patterns are not sufficiently noteworthy to justify their own articles, which will always be small, as there is not that much to say about them. However there are several and together they would fornm a logically coherent whole. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 11:40, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I'd certainly agree with that, Peter, and I recommend just going ahead and doing it if you get no objections within the next few days. Please take care, though, to observe WP:NOTHOWTO and I'd recommend using this opportunity to scrap all the unsourced junk (like the line signals) that clogs up articles like these. --RexxS (talk) 19:03, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
I have done the merge, and added a few other searches, but I don't know how to describe them in a way that does not give a moderate amount of information on how they are done, as to quite a large extent the variations are distinguished by how they are done. Cheers, Peter (Southwood) (talk): 19:17, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Hehe, I'm sorry if I gave you a false spin, Peter, WP:NOTHOWTO is really just an injunction not to write step-by-bullet-pointed-step instruction guides instead of proper prose. You're quite right that you have to give some description of the search mechanics for each case. You've done a good job of writing encyclopedic prose in Underwater searches and I don't think anybody is going to confuse the current article with an instruction manual :D --RexxS (talk) 23:33, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
OK, no problem. I tend to write instructional material quite a lot. It's part of what I do, so may have a tendency to wander off in that direction as a matter of habit. I will try to get around to drawing a few illustrations when I feel the inclination, unless someone else has access to suitable non-copyright work. Cheers, Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:54, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

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Rationalising decompression articles[edit]

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I have had a look at a few of the articles relating to decompression, and I think that some of them should be merged. A main article Decompression (diving) could be created and some of the more trivial articles like Decompression stop, Decompression curve and No Decompression Limit could be merged into it and redirected. Decompression is a major topic for diving, and I think the article should be planned a bit before starting if we do it. Any suggestions? Peter (Southwood) (talk): 19:56, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Drop a note to Legis in case he misses this note. He's done quite a bit of work on decompression, and created the {{Decompression}} navigation template. If I were you, I'd have a look at these articles to see what's covered there:
and the disambiguation page:
You might want to consider merging some or all of the content from the following articles:
There may be others. I'm hoping to collaborate with Gene Hobbs to update Decompression sickness and get it to FA status in the near future, so there may be more new, good quality sources coming along soon. It's worth looking in the Rubicon Research Repository for the most usable sources, as well as checking out PubMed for the physiological aspects.
I have started a basic outline at User:Pbsouthwood/Decompression (diving). Please take a look and comment, and if there are no major problems (It can always be rearranged later if neccessary) I will move it to article space and start the merges and redirects. Cheers, Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:44, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Happy to help if I can; I am just about to go travelling for a while so if I am slow in contributing, please don't wait for me! --Legis (talk - contribs) 13:20, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
The draft is nearing completion and I will submit it soon so the merges can be started. There will be quite a bit to do after that, but I think it would not be efficient to polish the draft much more. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:05, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
New article Decompression (diving) is up. I will start on merges soon. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 20:30, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

This discussion can be archived. It has been copied to the new article talk page and the article is up and running. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:41, 28 October 2011 (UTC)


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Quality of Underwater searches[edit]

No longer a stub. My estimate is a C, but needs review and comment. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:21, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Rename Diving signals to Diver communications[edit]

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I suggest renaming Diving signals to Diver communications as the latter has a wider scope and includes voice comms. Original article name to redirect. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:04, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

No objections in two weeks, I will go ahead and make the changes. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:43, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Done Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

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Merge discussion for Decompression chamber[edit]

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Information.svg An article that you have been involved in editing, Decompression chamber, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:39, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

No objections in 3 weeks, I will go ahead and merge Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:32, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Done. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:10, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

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Peer review for Decompression (diving)[edit]

The Decompression (diving) article has developed considerably and has reached a stage where review would be helpful. The following aspects need comment:

  • Completeness - What more should be included, and what, if anything, should be removed.
  • Language - Quality, clarity, grammar, spelling, the whole 9 yards. Is the information reasonable accessible.
  • How close is the article to:
    • B-class
    • Good Article
  • What images should be on the wish list (photos, diagrams, graphs etc)

Thanks, Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:06, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

In the absence of any comment, I have checked the article against B-class criteria and rated it as B.


Time to archive this talk page?[edit]

I suggest that it is time to archive at least part of this talk page. Perhaps all the items before 2011? Cheers, Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:26, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Over a month and no comments, I will go ahead. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 14:54, 12 May 2012 (UTC)


Proposal to add importance scale and attention category to the WPSCUBA template[edit]

Discussion at Template talk:WikiProject Scuba diving#Proposal to add importance scale and attention category to the template Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:26, 12 May 2012 (UTC)


Are there any freediving editors here?[edit]

Hi all, I'm wondering how to sort out some issues in the freediving pages. The initial problem: there are many confusions between the 3 sorts of divers the 'category' labels at the end of articles: free, SCUBA and board divers. But there are others, and the whole freediving area seems to receive less attention than the SCUBA articles. So the broader question – do any editors in this project focus on freediving? If so, please drop me a line on my talk page, and I'll expand my thoughts.

I don't want to suggest a separate Wiki project for freediving at this stage, but that could be an option. I suppose another issue I'm getting at is that if freediving articles are being looked after under this project, then it should be more obvious on those pages. --Wally Tharg (talk) 19:46, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi Wally Tharg, WP Scuba diving has very few active editors at present, and most of them seem to be more breathing apparatus orientated. The scope of WP Scuba diving is

If you wear it, breathe it, use it, or even look at it while you're underwater, then it probably falls under the scope of this project. More refined details about the scope to come at a later date.

As far as I know, no more refined details were ever added, and although breathing while underwater is mentioned, I think the scope includes freediving until proven otherwise, there is no conflict, so welcome to the project as a Freediving specialist. I have recently added all the freediving pages that I have actually looked at to my watchlist, but there are probably some I have missed. I am willing to help where I can, but my field is more scuba and surface supplied diving, and there is more than enough to keep me busy there. Freediving is also definitely within the scope of the Underwater diving portal, so take a look there and see if you have any suggestions to improve coverage. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 08:44, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Decomression (diving) for A-class[edit]

Per WP:ACLASS I hereby nominate Decompression (diving) for review as an A-class article.

For WikiProjects without a formal A-Class review process, the proposal to promote to A-Class should be made on the article's talk page and supported there by two uninvolved editors, with no significant opposes. The review should also be noted on the discussion page.

Please review and comment on the Talk page. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:24, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Merge proposal[edit]

I propose to merge Glossary of SCUBA diving into Glossary of underwater diving terminology (and redirect) as it is a subset of the appropriate contents for this article. Merging would reduce duplication, reduce maintenance and improve usefulness. Glossary of SCUBA diving is also non-compliant with WP:MOSGLOSS and WP:SCUBA naming conventions (should be Glossary of scuba diving terms, which should also be a redirect). Discussion on Talk:Glossary of underwater diving terminology. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 10:22, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople[edit]

An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:56, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Hyperbaric chamber[edit]

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine#Hyperbaric chamber. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:09, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Bret Gilliam[edit]

I'm about to remove a substantial amount of unsourced puffery from Bret Gilliam, and I expect to be reverted by an IP who is related to the subject. I have no intention of edit-warring, so my only recourse is to appeal to members of this project who may be willing to offer a third opinion at Talk:Bret Gilliam #Book citations and other problems. Any extra eyes would be appreciated. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 17:46, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Diving medicine article - request for your comments[edit]

Hi all, I would like to start expanding the Diving medicine article, but would like your opinions on what it should contain. See the talk page. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 14:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

List of diver training organizations[edit]

Hi all, I would like opinions on the scope of this article. Please comment on the talk page. Thanks, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:26, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dacorum Diving Club[edit]

Hello diving enthusiasts! The above article in the Afc may be of interest to you. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:17, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Not that kind of diving. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:14, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Oops! I guess I should have read further down the page... —Anne Delong (talk) 14:35, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

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Suggested split of Decompression practice[edit]

Opinions requested on the suggested split of Decompression practice at the GA discussion page Thanks,• • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 19:39, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

New article Scuba diving fatalities[edit]

Improvements, comments and suggestions welcome • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:42, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Importance of diving articles.[edit]

At this stage we have no indication of the importance of our articles to the project. I suggest that we are at a stage where it may be worth considering which articles are most worth working on to provide a useful set of references for the ordinary reader and the ordinary diver.

If there are no objections I will add an importance parameter to the project template and create the requisite categories. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 19:40, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

It has been done, I am busy allocating importance to all articles without allocation, and may modify some which are already set. All project members please feel free to set ratings and to amend ratings if you feel they should be different. If you change by more than one level in either direction, we have a significant difference in opinion, so in that case please motivate the change so we can work towards a consensus. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 19:03, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Commercial offshore diving expansion needs comment[edit]

I am expanding this article and need input, particularly regarding how much I need to clarify for ordinary readers. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 14:18, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

I've commented at Talk:Commercial offshore diving #July 2016 expansion. --RexxS (talk) 15:57, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Lead article revision and prep for GAN[edit]

I am going to have a go at reorganising the structure of Underwater diving with the longer term target of GAN. Input from anyone who has a constructive comment or useful addition is welcome. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 08:47, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Underwater diving has been reorganised and expanded as a general introduction and summary of the field. I intend to nominate for good article but would like recommendations from interested parties first. Particularly:
  • What has been left out that should be included?
  • What is in too much detail?
  • Can anyone help with the outstanding missing citations? If all else fails the uncited material can be deleted without great loss, but someone thought it was worth including.
• • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:02, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Proposed move of Mammalian diving reflex[edit]

A rename to either Diving reflex or Diving response has been proposed. Discuss. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:30, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Done. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:20, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 10[edit]

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Metres sea water and feet sea water - RfC[edit]

I have requested an extension to {{Convert}} for conversions to and from msw and fsw. I also found what I considered inaccuracies in the Metres sea water article, which was based on two not particularly authoritative websites, and edited it to reflect the presumed official opinions of the US Navy, and IMCA. However even those generally reliable sources can be wrong, and I don't have a primary source to go to for the original definition.

I understand the conventional usage of metres sea water (msw) and feet sea water (fsw) to be primarily in the underwater diving and hyperbaric medicine context, and that they refer either to an ambient pressure of a diver or occupant of a hyperbaric chamber or habitat, or to the pressure difference between parts of a hyperbaric chamber or habitat. In all these cases msw and fsw are gauge pressure. (either relative to the atmospheric pressure, or relative to another part of the habitat/chamber) When msw or fsw is converted to other units of pressure, it is almost always expressed as an absolute pressure in bar, atm or other general purpose units of pressure for depth of the diver or internal pressure of a chamber/habitat, and when it is a pressure difference, it is seldom converted, but if converted would necessarily be as a pressure difference, which is a type of gauge pressure.

If there are other contexts in which msw and fsw are used, I am not aware of them. Other use may be important for a conversion template. If anyone is aware of such use, please mention it.

I consider a conversion template to be useful for this project mainly for references to fsw, where the conversion is less trivial than msw(gauge) to bar(absolute).

I suggest the following conversions as useful extensions to {{Convert}}:

  • {{convert|1|msw|fsw|5}} → 1 meter sea water (3.26336 feet sea water)
  • {{convert|1|fsw|msw|5}} → 1 foot sea water (0.30643 feet sea water)
  • {{convert|1|msw|bar(g)|4}} → 1 metre sea water (0.1000 bar)
  • {{convert|1|msw|bar(a)|4}} → 1 metre sea water (1.1000 bar)
  • {{convert|1|msw|kPa(g)|4}} → 1 metre sea water (10.0000 kPa)
  • {{convert|1|msw|kPa(a)|4}} → 1 metre sea water (110.0000 kPa)
  • {{convert|1|fsw|atm|6}} → 1 foot sea water (0.030242 atm)
  • {{convert|1|fsw|ata|6}} → 1 foot sea water (1.030242 ata) (1 fsw gauge pressure = 1 atm + 1fsw)
  • {{convert|1|fsw|psig|4}} → 1 foot sea water (0.4444 kPa)
  • {{convert|1|fsw|psia|4}} → 1 foot sea water (15.1444 psi) (from 14.7+0.4444)
  • {{convert|1|atm|fsw|3}} → 1 atmosphere (gauge) (33.066 fsw)
  • {{convert|1|ata|fsw|3}} → 1 atmosphere (absolute) (0.000 fsw)
  • {{convert|1|bar(g)|msw|3}} → 1 bar (gauge) (10 msw)
  • {{convert|1|bar(a)|msw|3}} → 1 bar (absolute) (0 msw)

And possibly others, though I think this would be most.

The usual collection of additional parameters for rounding, abbreviation etc would probably be acceptable in their usual form. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 11:43, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

Occupational diving safety sources[edit]

User:Pbsouthwood asked on my talk page about sources on occupational diving safety. The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health has a number of sources:

I will ask around to see if I can come up with more sources; if anyone has more specific requests let me know! John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 22:05, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks John, I will work my way through these as time allows, and use them as appropriate. I will also get back to you if I need something specific which I can't find on the net. If you see a place where a specific source may be useful in any WPSCUBA article, and don't have the time or inclination to edit it yourself, just leave a link on the article talk page and I will get round to it some time if someone else doesn't do it first. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:11, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

RFC on sports notability[edit]

An RFC has recently been started regarding a potential change to the notability guidelines for sportspeople. Please join in the conversation. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 23:09, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Danish Frogmen Corps listed at Requested moves[edit]

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International Diving Federation at AfD[edit]

International Diving Federation has just been relisted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Diving Federation, owing to lack of comments. If anyone has any opinion either way, your contribution would be appreciated there. --RexxS (talk) 12:48, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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