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Weird Tales (anthology series) -> Weird Tales merger[edit]

I've proposed a merger of Weird Tales (anthology series) -> Weird Tales at the target talk page; please comment there if interested. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:55, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

ISFDB and Galactic Central[edit]

I've posted at the reliable sources noticeboard a question about two sources used frequently for science fiction articles: the ISFDB and Galactic Central. Please comment there if interested. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:55, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Influential pioneers in SF[edit]

In the {{Science fiction}} template, we have a list of influential pioneers:

Do we want to add anyone else to the list? I figured it would be good to discuss this. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

  • For example, I think Gene Roddenberry would be a good one to add. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:53, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
  • And do we want to include more than just Western people? People like Yoshiyuki Tomino (creator of Gundam) may be good to add. Maybe Yasutaka Tsutsui, Ryō Hanmura, and Taku Mayumura? Adolfo Bioy Casares? Do we want to include some of the great SF artists? Perhaps John Berkey, Kazutaka Miyatake, Hannes Bok, David A. Cherry, Michael Whelan, Chesley Bonestell, Jack Kirby, Thomas Kidd, Ed Emshwiller, Hajime Sorayama, Frank Frazetta, Frank Kelly Freas, H. R. Giger, Stephen Youll, and Paul Youll, to name a few? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:11, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Also Osamu Tezuka‎. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:15, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
    • Frankly, it would be better to just do away with that section of the template. The section was added only about three months ago, without any discussion that I can see. And the names that have been included thus far don't seem to conform to any particular set of criteria that I can determine, other than perhaps they are successful writers of SF (or George Lucas). This is not surprising, because "pioneer" is a vague term that can be used to justify the inclusion of almost anyone. I see on the template's Talk page that there had been discussion in the very early days about including individual works or authors. They wisely chose to not do so. This recent reversal of that decision adds nothing useful to the template, because anyone wanting to find lists of "pioneers" can do so in the articles on the history of the genre. NewYorkActuary (talk) 02:05, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
      • @NewYorkActuary: Hmm...I disagree. I think it is (and could be) a useful section, but I think we need to have consensus on who should be in it so it doesn't bloat into craziness. I think the current entries are acceptable, though I think it ought to be less US- and UK-centric, and ought to include more than just authors. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:53, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
        I think it's going to be hard to make this a useful section. The goal of a navbox like this is quick access to key articles; if it gets too large it doesn't assist the reader. There are very few names that every single history of sf is going to agree on -- Wells, Verne, Gernsback. Maybe Campbell and Gold if you extend "pioneer" to mean "innovator" too. And do we limit it to genre sf or everything science-fictional? In which case the field of candidates would broaden considerably. I think it should probably go. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:40, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
        • That's the whole point of having a discussion: to make sure the section is useful. I think the existing entries are totally appropriate. I brought it up here because I wanted to make sure we weren't forgetting people who should be there. There are certain people (as you mentioned) that should be mentioned in such a template, and so I think it's important to have a consensus on who those people are. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 14:45, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
          Well, I'm not convinced it's a good section, but if we're going to discuss it I think we need to define what the section would include, before picking names. I think "pioneer" could refer to proto-sf, in which cause it would focus on names like Verne and Wells, and perhaps theme entries such as future war and scientific romance; U.S. genre sf (Gernsback, Campbell, Gold as editors, maybe Hamilton, E.E. Smith, Williamson, Leinster as writers); pioneers in the sense of people who started a new trend or subgenre (that would be a huge list); or international pioneers (another huge list, and probably harder to source). The current list seems to be none of the above; it's a list of some influential and/or famous writers, plus George Lucas. What do you see as the goal of such a section? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:20, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
              • I see it more as a list of authors, editors, and artists who have made a significant impact in the field. Perhaps both a "pioneers" section and an "influential figures" might be good. List people up to about the time period of Wells/Verne/Burroughs in the pioneers section, and then other influential people in the other one. I think we should try to include a broad rang of people, while also not letting it get too large. That's why discussing it is a good idea: to have a discussion to point to if people want to add more. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 03:03, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
  • P.S. User:Nihonjoe, I just saw that your notification at the ProjectNovel's SF task force sends interested editors over to the Talk page for the template, even though you started the discussion here on this page. Wasn't sure where you really intended to have the discussion, so I didn't change anything. NewYorkActuary (talk) 02:12, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

The Wachowskis/Wachowski Brothers[edit]

In view of the inconsistency in regards to how the transgender Wachowskis are credited in film articles I have started a discussion at Talk:The Matrix Reloaded#The Wachowski credit in the lead in attempt to address the problem. Your project has a stated interest in at least one of the articles so please feel free to join the discussion if you would like to have your say or if you can offer a constructive solution to the issue. Betty Logan (talk) 02:39, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Discussing the renaming of the Star Trek Reboot series to the "Kelvin timeline series"[edit]

A discussion about renaming the Star Trek "reboot series" the "Kelvin timeline series" has been made at here. Please add your input. Oldag07 (talk) 12:58, 24 July 2016 (UTC)