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Bigfoot POV[edit]

The Bigfoot article could use a look from somebody with more experience of writing about cryptids: an enthusiastic editor has added about 80k of "Reported descriptions" to the article, using books by Bigfoot researchers to produce something that reads awkwardly like a field guide description of a real creature which has been liberally sprinkled with "supposedly" and "reportedly" to achieve "balance". I'm not sure of the best way to clean it up. There's a discussion on the talk page. --McGeddon (talk) 08:00, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Checkout WP:ALLEGED to see "Words that may introduce bias". Then remove any such words, such as "supposedly" and "reportedly". The add a {{Disputed-inline}} with the correct link after all the statements linking to the section. Jerod Lycett (talk) 15:44, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
The entire three-page section is nothing but a string of "Bigfoot is reportedly a large creature, Bigfoot supposedly smells like a skunk" quotes from researchers. It would seem unhelpfully WP:POINTy to replace every single statement with "Bigfoot is a large creature that smells like a skunk" and then inline-tag it as disputed. --McGeddon (talk) 09:00, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
If it's that bad drop {{Disputed}} instead of a bunch of inlines. If something is really egregious put an inline next to it too. Jerod Lycett (talk) 18:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
But I'm not disputing any of the claims (which are all just "someone wrote in a book that Bigfoot smelled like a skunk", which I'm sure is true). The tone just seems awkward, to have a lengthy section that reads like a description of a real creature which has had "reportedly" and "described as" hammered into every sentence as an afterthought. --McGeddon (talk) 09:03, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
This raises the question. Do you want me to truly get involved on this? I tried finding cryptid enthusiasts, but found none. Jerod Lycett (talk) 09:13, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I looked in at WikiProject Cryptozoology before I came here, but it seemed inactive; this seemed the second-best option among the talk page's Wikiproject list, given that the last 1200 edits (!) seem to have come out of books written by optimistic Bigfoot spotters. I'm not sure what the ideal way to write this kind of article would be, so would appreciate any thoughts you have on it. --McGeddon (talk) 19:31, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
McGeddon, I encourage you to Be bold and remove to offending materiel. You have ever right to dive in and defend this humble encyclopedia from the onslaught of that editor's assumptions and hearsay. Dkriegls (talk to me!) 05:49, 27 September 2015 (UTC)


Request for comment: Is Faith healing a form of pseudoscience and should it be labeled as such either in the article or by assignment of category pseudoscience? Interested editors are encouraged to join the discussion at Talk:Faith healing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:42, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

  • Comment Can you show me which source says faith-healing is a pseudo-science form? Or, should we have faith? Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 19:02, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment There are pseudoscience attempts to prove faith healing, but the practice itself is faith based as far as I'm aware. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 05:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Request for input at longevity-related articles[edit]

Hi there,

Apologies if this particular topic is outside of this project's scope, but I'm looking to get some input from scientific-minded editors who understand the need for evidence to support extraordinary claims at the World's Oldest People Project. To explain things as briefly as possible: many people who claim to be extremely old (over the age of 110) are in fact younger than they claim (see [here for more), and there are many fraudsters claiming to be older than they actually. This means that age verification (proving someone's age with documentation) is important for anyone wanting to create a list of the oldest people in the world. This is what the Gerontology Research Group (GRG) specialises in.

However, some editors want to give organisations like the GRG (widely recognised, scientific groups that specialise in this particular field) the same validity as other sources like newspapers, which potentially means that articles like List of oldest living people could be full of potential fraudsters.

If anyone is willing to voice their opinion here it would be most appreciated. Thank you -- Ollie231213 (talk) 20:02, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

This agecruft needs to be killed with fire. Guy (Help!) 13:20, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Proposed ArbCom motion of some possible interest to members of this project[edit]

Please see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#Motion: New Religious Movements, which I believe in some substantial regards may have some parallels and overlaps with the field of sekpticism. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 20:19, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Brahma Kumaris#RFC for adding the word "Cult"[edit]

I am asking for your participation in Talk:Brahma Kumaris#RFC for adding the word "Cult" Supdiop (T🔹C) 16:10, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

To save other editors a click; that RFC has since been withdrawn by the editor, who has also been blocked. --McGeddon (talk) 20:38, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
And now he's back Supdiop (T🔹C)

Climate change skeptics[edit]


The category Climate change skeptics has been proposed to be moved to "Climate change deniers." Youknowwhatimsayin (talk) 01:27, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

List of pseudoscientific organizations[edit]

There is a discussion now taking place at Talk:List of pseudoscientific organizations that may be relevant to this project. Interested editors are encouraged to join the discussion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:08, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Created new article on book - Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand[edit]

I've created a new article on the book Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand.

Input and suggestions for additional secondary sources would be appreciated on the article's talk page, at Talk:Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand.

Thank you,

Cirt (talk) 06:01, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Nice work, @Cirt:. I have added this to the List of books about skepticism. --Gronk Oz (talk) 12:42, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks very much, most appreciated! — Cirt (talk) 17:56, 31 October 2015 (UTC)