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Remix singles[edit]

I wish there was a rule about iTunes' remixed singles. Should we add the remix version of a single in the featured artist's discography's "Singles" section? I mean singles like "I'm Not the Only One" or "Pretend" have their official remix versions (with a new featured artist) which are aviable on iTunes for digital download. Would be nice if users, who edit music-related articles, write their opinions about this. --Eurofan88 (talk) 19:52, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't think there's any reason not to. If they performed on a single, it should be listed in their discography. It being remix doesn't change that. Littlecarmen (talk) 20:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, but it's different in every article. I mean for example in Iggy Azalea discography iTunes' remixed singles are under the section Promotional singles, while in Azealia Banks discography they are in the Single #As Featured Artist section. There should be a concrete rule about it. --Eurofan88 (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
I think they should be in the "as featured artist" section. If it's a promotional single, that can be mentioned in a note. Littlecarmen (talk) 23:05, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Agree with you :) I think any song released on iTunes for digital download is already a single, it's not important if it's the remix version or the original. I got your point Littlecarmen, but i would like to hear what others say and after it make this official for every article :) --Eurofan88 (talk) 06:29, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Concur with Littlecarmen.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  21:02, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Source propriety[edit]

Hello folks. I would like to ask feedback if the source is reliable? Pretty much of the content is a transcription of an actual interview of the singer. Loads of information can be obtained from this article. I haven't done thorough checking if the same transcription existed elsewhere. Many thanks, --Efe (talk) 12:45, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

@Efe: Interviews are primary sources, and have to be used "with caution" and in certain ways, but can be used. See also WP:ABOUTSELF.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  20:55, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello SMcCandlish, the information I would like to include in a WP article is about the song's writing. It's the artist talking about it in that particular Spotify interview, which was transcribed by, a source I'd like to get evaluated. --Efe (talk) 06:50, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Seems perfectly reasonable, as long as the claims sourced from the interview are attributed to the interviewee not stated in WP's own voice. I.e. "According to a June 2015 interview with Sheeran...", "Sheeran also stated ...", etc. Per WP:AEIS, we can't state very many claims in WP's own voice if they are not from independent, reliable, secondary sources, and this is a non-independent, primary source, though presumptively reliable for any non-controversial claims the artist makes about the inspiration for their own work.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  08:40, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I perfectly understand SMcCandlish. Thank you very much. --Efe (talk) 12:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Song genres under songs by artist categories?[edit]

Please feel free to comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians/Categorization#Songs by artist: genre categories that are mostly right but wrong for certain songs. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 18:34, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Band Aid/"Do They Know It's Christmas?"[edit]

For a while now I've been pondering the wisdom of having separate articles for these two. Obviously there is a lot of duplication between the two articles... there is little you can say about the band and its various incarnations without mentioning the song, its chart positions, etc. The version I have spent most time working on is the article for the song, rather than the article for the band – this version is better referenced and (I hope) better written than the article for Band Aid. Does anybody have any opinions as to whether we should keep both articles or merge them? Richard3120 (talk) 17:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Just to add I've proposed a merger of USA for Africa/"We Are the World" for precisely the same reasons... the case for merging is even stronger there as one article is FA status and the other is unsourced. Richard3120 (talk) 03:13, 27 September 2015 (UTC) Richard3120 (talk) 03:13, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
WP:NSONGS says, "Songs with notable cover versions are normally covered in one common article about the song and the cover versions." --Richhoncho (talk) 07:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
@Richhoncho: Indeed, and that seems to me to be a very sensible guideline to follow. The problem is it hasn't been applied in the case of either song, as both have two spin-off articles: "Do They Know It's Christmas?" has two separate articles for the 2004 Band Aid 20 version and the 2014 Band Aid 30 version, while "We Are the World" has separate articles for 2010's "We Are the World 25 for Haiti" and "We Are the World 25 for Haiti (YouTube edition)" (there is also We Are the World (album) but that has more justification for existing as a standalone article). So in accordance with WP:NSONGS I would agree with you that there is definitely a case for these forks to be merged to the main article.
But what I am proposing is more than that – that the existing articles for the artists/bands should be merged to the song article as well. In special cases like these, a one-off charity single performed by a one-off supergroup convened for the purpose, it is very difficult to write separate articles about the song and about the artist that don't largely duplicate each other, as song and artist are inevitably closely linked.
So for both "Do They Know It's Christmas?" and "We Are the World" we effectively have four separate articles to keep track of and maintain, and I suggest it would be far easier if for each of them the two song forks and the artist were merged into the main article for the song. Richard3120 (talk) 15:14, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

R U Professional - featured article candidate[edit]

I've nominated the article about the song "R U Professional" for Featured Article consideration.

It's a satirical song and a form of parody music using sampling.

Comments would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/R U Professional/archive1.

Thank you for your time,

Cirt (talk) 21:50, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Take On Me[edit]

Some editors changed the layout from long-standing format to current mess. I need help on this. --George Ho (talk) 23:06, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, to be honest, it seems to me that JustChecking1970 has actually improved the article by correcting some facts that were clearly wrong before. I don't agree with everything he/she has done, such as including catalogue numbers and some of his/her formatting, but in terms of facts he/she appears to be correct. Personally I don't think this article should keep its GA status: it needs re-checking after all the changes that have been made, and the whole 'In popular culture' section is dubious as to its reliability and notability. Was there something in particular that worried you? Richard3120 (talk) 01:12, 6 October 2015 (UTC)