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Importance

How should you assess the importance of a sport? The question has come up at talk:Bandy. Skogsvandraren (talk) 18:25, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

I have WP:BOLDLY added some suggested criteria for importance assessments. Feel free to boldly edit, if these need revision. Or raise topics for discussion here, whichever you think best. CUA 27 (talk) 05:56, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
CUA 27, when it comes to sports, the ONLY criterium you have added is the popularity in many countries. I think you also should look at the popularity in different countries (a sport might be hugely popular in one or two countries but not so much in other countries, like American football, which is deemed top important now but does not live up to the criteria you have added). I think you should also consider the number of active players, if the sport is considered a national sport in some country, if there are professional leagues and if a sport is or has been present at the Olympic games. Maybe other criteria too. Snowsuit Wearer (talk|contribs) 08:05, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
Great comments. I have added some criteria to address the Olympics and professional league aspect, and will continue to work on improving the criteria. CUA 27 (talk) 19:21, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Joe Calzaghe and other Pro Boxing bios

A dispute over which flags to use at that article, which would effect all professional boxing bios, is in progress. Further input would be appreciated there. GoodDay (talk) 17:57, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

NPGL teams sources for notability

Hello all, I am looking for some outside input on a few recently created articles where I am not sure the sources used would allow them to pass GNG. A user decided to make team articles for the National Pro Grid League, a barely covered new fitness sport league which spun off of the CrossFit Games. It has been occasionally shown on NBC Sports Network, but other than that I have a hard time finding non-routine coverage for anything significant on the teams themselves. I gave the user some advice on the Talk Page for as much as I could on the three articles he has created so far but I don't want to waste time improving them (content-wise anyways, as I can't find any significant independent coverage) if they will be deleted anyways for failing GNG.

The articles in question are:

Most of the sources used are either primary or seemingly non-independent secondary sources (ie, non-notable fitness magazines and journals). The independent sources used, such as The Washington Post and The Baltimore Sun, seem like they could be borderline WP:ROUTINE as they are simply announcements of the existence of a team or a signing in their local coverage section. Thanks, Yosemiter (talk) 23:32, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Major League Roller Hockey

Lacking a more specific WikiProject, bringing this here. Major League Roller Hockey is an unholy mess, featuring absolutely zero references, rotten formatting, a large number of redlinks and an incredibly long History section full of unsupported claims that smack of OR to me. I'm tempted to gut most of it, but maybe some enterprising Sports editor wants to take a stab at it? Echoedmyron (talk) 22:57, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

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Roller derby notability?

Hey guys, there's an article up for deletion on the San Diego Derby Dolls. There's a smattering of coverage and one of the sources in the article asserts that they won some sort of national championship. I know that this can frequently be enough to assert GNG depending on the championship, but I'm largely unfamiliar with the world of roller derby outside of the Drew Barrymore film. Anyone here know about it enough to where they could figure this one out? I'm still undecided on notability but I am somewhat leaning towards suggesting it be merged into the founder's article. I think that there would be enough notability for one article, but maybe not two unless they won a major national game. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 11:55, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Quidditch notability

Hey guys, I have an odd one for you. Recently there was an article made for Major League Quidditch, which is supposed to be a professional quidditch league and the person who made that article (@Marellli9:) has created articles for some of the teams in this league.

Now the question here is whether or not teams for this league would pass notability guidelines or not. Per the article, the teams represent the sport's "highest level in both the United States and Canada" and I know that this can often be a sign of notability for sports teams in general. The sport of quidditch is notable and I know that notability isn't inherited, but I'm unsure if the teams (and I suppose the league itself) would fall under NSPORT or not.

Anyone want to help out with this? If the league would be the type that would be notable then the teams should pass notability guidelines? This is an unusual case, so I wanted to get some people who are very NSPORT savvy to help out. I've pinged the article's creator so she can weigh in as well. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 11:42, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

When in doubt remember they have to meet GNG either way. So check for sources. -DJSasso (talk) 13:19, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

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Is there a wiki project sports shooting?

I'm having a bit of trouble tidying https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijay_Kumar_(sport_shooter)#Performance_timelines, and could do with the input of someone who knows about sports shooting. Any help is gratefully appreciated.Red Fiona (talk) 01:32, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Discussion of the word winnningest

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"WikiProject St. Louis Rams" / "WikiProject Los Angeles Rams"

Can someone fix the mess with this wikiproject? It's detailed at Template talk: WikiProject St. Louis Rams where the categories are all screwed up and many project subpages are also. -- 70.51.200.135 (talk) 07:02, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

CfR notice

The British-English-looking Category:College club sports associations in the United States is proposed for merger into Category:College sports governing bodies in the United States, as a redundant fork. Discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 February 5.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  04:43, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

PS: I've cleaned up the messy Category:College sports organizations in the United States, other than the redundancy highlighted above. There's now a separate cat. for administrator/coach organizations.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  06:12, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Biographical articles for professional bandy players

The currently played 2016 Bandy World Championship got me thinking. There need to be more articles on professional bandy players. Even if not all the players in the world championship are professional athletes, some of them are, especially those from Russia, Sweden, Kazakhstan and Finland, as far as I know. There should be articles written about them. Snowsuit Wearer (talk|contribs) 00:48, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Indoor hockey as a separate sport

Hi all. After some research I have found that field hockey and indoor hockey are two completely different sports, and the players in a national field hockey team are different to the national indoor hockey team. I have created a new page, Australia women's national indoor hockey team and now when I go into the world cup pages (e.g. 2015 Women's Indoor Hockey World Cup, Indoor Hockey World Cup), it seems like the links to team pages are embedded into a field hockey component of Wikipedia, e.g.  Australia and  Australia. Also I believe there is only an infobox thing for national field hockey team. I've not done this before and need advice/guidance/escalation - but how can we get indoor hockey recognised as a separate sport in Wikipedia? I'd basically like the links to go to the indoor hockey teams and not the field hockey teams. If it's a big thing, then I'd be happy to take advice on a simple workaround. Thanks! Omegodriver (talk) 11:46, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

If they are different sports led by different governing bodies (or special committees within the same governing bodies) and have different players, they seem to be two separate sports. Omegodriver, you'd need to replace the field hockey {{fh|Australia}} templates with templates for indoor hockey instead. You should probably be able to easily make them by copying the text at template:fhm, giving it a new article heading and changing it accordingly so it directs to the right articles. Snowsuit Wearer (talk|contribs) 00:56, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

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Missing basic-concept article: Tour (sport)

We need an article at Tour (sports) for the basic concept behind more specific articles like Professional golf tours and Tennis tour. Lots of sports have these, and they're all basically: A series of otherwise unconnected competitive (usually professional or pro-am) sporting events, organized into a series with a player (or, rarely, team) ranking system. It's kind of embarrassing that we don't have this, a bit like missing the double-elimination tournament article or something. Anyway, it will need redirects from Tour (sport), Sport tour, Sports tour, Touring (sports), Professional sports tour, Circuit (sports), Circuit (sport), Sports circuit, Sport circuit, Pro tour, Pro-am tour, Pro circuit, Professional tour, Professional circuit, Competitive tour, Competitive circuit, etc.; Pro tour is presently a redir to the Pro Tour proper name disambiguation page, but should instead redir to the new article.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  21:42, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello, SMcCandlish! We already have Competition, Tournament and Championship. What would this new article describe? --NaBUru38 (talk) 18:08, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
As I said, "a series of otherwise unconnected competitive (usually professional or pro-am) sporting events, organized into a series with a player (or, rarely, team) ranking system." There are various pro and pro-am tours, and they are not competitions or tournaments, but organized systems thereof, nor are they championships, which are the final event thereof (sometimes; many championships exist in sports without a pro tour).  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  18:34, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
I support the idea of this article, and even like the suggested name. It really is a distinct form of organization, especially in contrast to a league structure, and includes such notable sports as professional golf, professional tennis and various forms of auto racing. I agree that it's very odd that we have no such high concept article after all this time. The only argument that I could see against it is that the specifics that each tour operates with are so different that the article would have to be so broad and non-specific that it might be too difficult to source without falling into synth territory. oknazevad (talk) 18:48, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
It would necessarily be WP:SUMMARY style.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  21:42, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Here's another: World Snooker Tour. There are also several pro and pro-am tours in pool.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  21:42, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello, not all "series of sporting events" are called tours. Motorsport series are often called championships. There's the World Rugby Sevens Series. Winter sports series are usually called World Cup, for example the FIS Alpine Ski World Cup and Biathlon World Cup.

The article Sports league says: "In other sports, the rankings and leaderboards gain importance when they are used in seeding tournaments. In some cases, as in NASCAR or the PGA Tour, points are assigned to individual competitions and the resulting points are used to determine a champion at the end of each season. While not usually referred to as leagues, these season-long competitions with set events are very similar to league structures in team sports."

Perhaps that could be expanded into a full section on sports tours / series. Good luck! --NaBUru38 (talk) 17:46, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Note that {{International sports tours}} already gathers together some of these. SFB 22:01, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
The article competition covers competition as a process or activity, not as a countable entity (a competition, two competitions).
Among the names of competitions, championships, tournaments, there must be numerous Trophies and Plates as well as Cups. --P64 (talk) 21:08, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
We can probably cover series in the same article as tours, unless there's a fundamental conceptual difference between them. Trophies/cups/plates/jackets/etc. is a championships and/or awards subject, what comes out of a championship competition. I'm trying to get at the gap in our coverage, of system of competitive ranking and elimination that lead up to championships.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  22:40, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Related wikiprojects

Resolved
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We have not Wikipedia:WikiProject Football, Wikipedia:WikiProject Basketball and others to the "Related wikiprojects" in the main page. If we put this, where we put? --IM-yb (talk) 13:23, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Did you not see "Descendant WikiProjects: See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Culture/Sports for an up-to-date chart showing all sports WikiProjects and their interrelations."?  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  07:15, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Arnold Hunter

Arnold Hunter has been nominated for deletion. Anyone who wants to weigh in their opinion in the discussion can do so here. Tvx1 16:24, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Sports tactics and sports techniques

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Please see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 March 3#Category:Sports tactics (to merge redundant, content-forked categories).  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  06:35, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Club sports (US collegiate) categorization issues

Followup to the non-committal closure of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 February 5#Category:College club sports associations in the United States: There's clearly a lot of confusion remaining. Dirtlawyer1 draws one kind of distinction, which only partially addresses some of the issues (NCAA and NAIA are just two of a large number of inter-collegiate [I'm hyphenating that to indicate a literal, general meaning, not an term-of-art sense of "intercollegiate"] governing bodies; many exist that are not NCAA or NAIA, yet also do not appear to be club sports organizations (just the fact that both that and club sport are redlinks is an indication how disorganized our info on this topic is). RevelationDirect drew a different distinction, about faculty vs. student source of coaching. Ejgreen77 is trying to divide between varsity and non-varsity which is actually an entirely different question. We should centralize discussion on how to clean up this categorization snafu, and WT:SPORT seems like a good bet. Addl. pings: Johnpacklambert, Peterkingiron, Jweiss11, Marcocapelle  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  22:23, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the follow up. I think you touch on the real issue with the lack of a main article, club sports. (I don't know if we'll ever agree with what should be in the category space until we have that.) RevelationDirect (talk) 07:37, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
There's one at College club sports in the United States, but people aren't apt to find it; not even college club sports redirects there (collegiate club sports does, though). The whole topic seems to have been stuck in as an afterthought. The description of / criteria for the topic at Category:College club sports associations in the United States is dubious at best, since there are many non-"varsity" sport organizations that are not NCAA, NAIA, or NJCAA, but which are also apparently not "college club". What this actually means needs to be clearly defined, at the article and at both of the relevant categories, and then the organizations categorized properly. Also, all this "in the United States" over-disambiguation probably needs to be removed.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  21:43, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Hmm. So there was a huge outcry against the upmerging of this mess, on the asserted but poorly evidenced basis that college clubs sports is really distinct in a very clear way, and is a super-important subject in its own right ... then everyone disappears when even the most basic work needs to be done to ensure that the article can be found, the topic is clearly defined, its category has clear inclusion criteria, and things are probably categorized in relation to it?  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  06:39, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
  • @SMcCandlish: If I were you, I would interpret the course of events as a provisional allowance for making bold edits in category definitions and category assignments. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:12, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm not the person to do that, since it would result in what I originally proposed: merging away the undefined and apparently undefinable "college club sports" category.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  00:41, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Sports clubs and teams

What is the appropriate structural relationship between categories of [sports] clubs and [sports] teams? There appears to be significant overlap between them and no real consistency or predictability in the current category structure. For example:

Is there a need for two separate category schemes? If so, should clubs be a subcategory of teams, or vice versa, or are they parallel categorization schemes? Is this true for all sports or only certain ones? I intend to tackle this cleanup effort but would like to confirm with the members of this WikiProject the best way to proceed. Thank you, -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:28, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

The terms club, franchise, and team (at least) are used with overlapping and variable reference in English languages talk about team sports. Certainly those fashions are represented in Wikipedia usage and I suppose that some such variety is inevitable here. (At a higher level of organization, that is true of terms such as association, conference, division, league.)
I think there are no consistent hierarchical relationships, only some local ones (eg, there may be so-called clubs that field/ed multiple so-called teams, but not vice versa). No doubt there is more variety in talk about some sports than others, in some regions than others, and some sports talk may be consistent. If it's true that Australian talk about basketball, or about doubles tennis, is entirely consistent for instance, must that be represented in Wikipedia terminology? I don't believe so, but I don't believe the general inconsistency must be represented in Wikipedia terminology, either.
Can we live and let live with variety in article names and prose and tables, while the category structure is rationalized? That may be worth discussing. It has been done elsewhere, if I understand correctly. The category structure uses the term 'novel' broadly while some articles about books or literature or writers speak of novels and novelists in a narrow sense, others in a broad sense. --P64 (talk) 21:00, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Only to an extent. The above mess is an actual problem, especially the split between Category:Sports clubs and Category:Sports teams, which is like having a separate category for "colors" and "colours". If we actually need a category for teams in a narrow sense that are different sets of players for the same club (do we even have any articles on these at all?) they can be sub-categorized as necessary on a case-by-case basis, and this has to be really rare that we'd need to do that, if at all (e.g. if the Yojimboville FC has two teams, and they're both notable enough for articles, then create a category for Yojbimboville FC, with the main article on the football club and the two team articles, and whatever else (is there one about their fan base, their stadium, players and coaches?). At the specific sport, or even national-within-a-sport level, usage may vary enough that in some cases you have "clubs" as a subcat of "teams", but I think any cases where we have things like this should be looked at closely to see if if actually makes sense. For example, Category:Basketball clubs has no reason to exist at all; it's a thicket of subcategories for nothing but two team articles in the same NZ city; the entire category tree should be deleted, as the two articles are already in Category:Basketball teams in New Zealand where they belong. I'm taking that mess to CfD right now.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  08:17, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Formally, a club is an organization that has a franchise right for a specific geographical area to operate a team that competes against other teams in a league/association/etc. Sports journalism, however, will typically use the terms "club", "franchise", and "team" interchangeably, particularly outside the context of business-related news. Technically none of them is a sub-category of the other. I agree that there isn't much practical need to have separate categories, except possibly when a club operates more than one team (usually in different leagues). isaacl (talk) 17:54, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm seeing a lot of things that are just teams (i.e., not meeting the definition you outline) categorized as "clubs" in BrEng, and a lot of things in AmEng that fit this definition (i.e., pretty much all major-league sports operations) categorized as "teams". In everyday usage it seems to be more of an ENGVAR thing than anything else. Even when a club operates more than one team, it's not really a categorization problem. We just give them their own subcat for their teams A, B, C, etc., or more often the articles are just named clearly enough that they don't need such a subcat.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  00:47, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
@Isaacl: PS: Both the Feb. 27 and March 3 CfD discussions could use more input.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  00:51, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Here are some articles whose lead sections and category lists may be useful albeit discouraging points of entry.

I'm not sure when I will have (make, take?) time to think much about this but one concern is what clarity and consistency we can achieve in articles and how much of that is necessary in order to complement a rationalized category structure? On the other hand, how well may the prose and wikilinks in category prefaces support the category structure despite the failures of the articles?

--P64 (talk) 23:48, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Redundant "teams" & "clubs" category CfDs–CfRs–CfMs

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Long track sports

I've no particular expertise in this area, but I came across Category:2011 in long track (as in a form of motorcycle speedway) as a red-linked category that needed creating. That led me to this CfD in 2011 where it was deleted on the grounds of an ambiguous name, but no alternative was provided so effectively it's now in limbo. However, there's still a whole hierarchy at Category:long track including years 2007-10 - it's a complete mess thanks to that CfD. Fair enough - it's reflecting a main article at Long track, but I think part of the problem is that it is mostly a German form of motorbike racing that isn't that familiar to English speakers. I must admit that as a casual sports fan, when I hear the phrase "long track", I'd tend to think of Long track speed skating rather than motorbikes. In December, skating got 1339 hits versus 190 for the motorbikes. I wonder if the answer is to make long track a disambiguation to the skating and to Long track motorcycle racing or similar, and anything else with long tracks? Then the categories could move to Category:Long track motorcycle racing and it all works? Another issue is the inconsistency of naming; long track has a space, grasstrack doesn't. As I say, I don't have strong feelings either way, I just want to resolve the logjam created by that CfD.Le Deluge (talk) 16:12, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

In the absence of any progress on the article name, I've put the category hierarchy up for renaming at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 March 31 Le Deluge (talk) 00:15, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

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State sports halls of fame in the U.S.

If anyone is interested, the red links in Template:State sports halls of fame are states which have a sports hall of fame that don't currently have an article on Wikipedia. Lizard (talk) 01:47, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

List of male tennis players

FYI, a merger has been proposed, see Talk:List of male singles tennis players -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 04:45, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

any clue or location of the reason

As to why there is a category tree based on Sport by continent and Sports by continent. sorry if in advance this has been covered many times before, but...JarrahTree 11:49, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello, JarrahTree!
Good luck! --NaBUru38 (talk) 17:54, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

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Sigurður Einarsson

How can we know if these are the same persons?

Cheers, Sander.v.Ginkel (Talk) 08:33, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Template:Infobox college coach

I have proposed some changes to Template:Infobox college coach, specifically removing external links. Please see the discussion here. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 14:59, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Wrestling Pages Don't Agree

Hi, these two pages do not agree with each other - [and International weight classes] and [Olympic Weightclasses]. I'm not sure how to fix this. Red Fiona (talk) 22:49, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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"Black and Gold"

The sports teams listed at Black and Gold (disambiguation) have been deleted. Shouldn't the teams nicknamed "Black and Gold" be listed? -- 70.51.200.96 (talk) 06:52, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Scope of Category:Sports festivals

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definition of farm teams for commons category

Any expert comment here would be helpful commons:Commons:Village_pump#Category:farm_teams--Alexmar983 (talk) 04:47, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

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Sports venue infoboxes

A number of sports venues infoboxes list the current tenants and former tenants. For stadiums have have been in existence for a few decades, the infobox starts looking quite cluttered, with sometime more than 10 lines of tenants, many of which are not all that notable.

Is there some sort of guidance as to how many tenants should be listed in an infobox? If not, would it be helpful to create some? For example, something like "If listing all current and former tenants in the infobox results in more than five entries, the list of former tenants should be placed in the article text instead of the infobox."

(I have pasted three examples below. Click on the "show" button to take a look. I didn't want to paste them in their entirety since they take up so much space). CUA 27 (talk) 13:16, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Three examples of venues with numerous historical tenants

References

  1. ^ "Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium". Ballpark Tour. Archived from the original on April 6, 2013. Retrieved March 11, 2014.
  2. ^ "50 Years: Willie Leak maintains TifGrand bermudagrass at RFK Stadium". SportsTurf. Retrieved 11 July 2015.
  3. ^ a b c 1634–1699: McCusker, J. J. (1997). How Much Is That in Real Money? A Historical Price Index for Use as a Deflator of Money Values in the Economy of the United States: Addenda et Corrigenda (PDF). American Antiquarian Society. 1700–1799: McCusker, J. J. (1992). How Much Is That in Real Money? A Historical Price Index for Use as a Deflator of Money Values in the Economy of the United States (PDF). American Antiquarian Society. 1800–present: Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis. "Consumer Price Index (estimate) 1800–". Retrieved February 29, 2024.
  4. ^ U.S. Geological Survey Geographic Names Information System: Soldier Field
  5. ^ "Start Work On New Municipal Stadium In Grant Park, Chicago". The Christian Science Monitor. August 16, 1922.
  6. ^ a b "Stadium History and Timeline". Official website. Soldier Field. 2010. Retrieved May 21, 2010.
  7. ^ Riess, Steven A. (2005). "Soldier Field". The Electronic Encyclopedia of Chicago. Chicago Historical Society. Retrieved May 21, 2010.
  8. ^ a b c Published October 6, 2003 (October 6, 2003). "After a quick build, showtime in Chicago". SportsBusiness Journal. Retrieved March 10, 2012.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  9. ^ Hall, Andrew (January 18, 2015). "Report: Annual Blue-Gold Spring Game May Be Moved To Soldier Field". slapthesign.com. Retrieved January 18, 2015.
  10. ^ Ford, Liam T.A. Ford (2009). Soldier Field: A Stadium and Its City (1st ed.). Chicago: University Of Chicago Press. p. 91. In 1929 a new stadium was under construction at Notre Dame, and the team played its entire home season at Soldier Field
  11. ^ Ford, Liam T.A. Ford (2009). Soldier Field: A Stadium and Its City (1st ed.). Chicago: University Of Chicago Press. p. 236. UIC started playing football at Soldier Field in 1966
  12. ^ Ford, Liam T.A. Ford (2009). Soldier Field: A Stadium and Its City (1st ed.). Chicago: University Of Chicago Press. p. 236. their last home game at Soldier Field, on November 3, 1973
  13. ^ "Soldier Field". ESPN.com. January 9, 2012. Retrieved July 24, 2012.
  14. ^ Stephanie Hayes, "St. Petersburg bids farewell to lovely lady by bay", St. Petersburg Times, March 28, 2008.
  15. ^ "Major Leaguers to Start Spring Training Feb. 20". The Evening Independent. 1951-01-19. p. 14. Retrieved 22 September 2009. [dead link]
What I would suggest is splitting the section into Current Tenants and Former Tenants. Those lists aren't really all that long. -DJSasso (talk) 23:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello, CUA 27! In the case of North American stadiums, I would suggest to give priority to major professional and college teams over minor league and high school teams. Good luck! --NaBUru38 (talk) 18:54, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Field hockey players images

I noticed most of the recent field hockey players don't have an image. I'm not into field hockey, but made a load of image during the interland NED - NZL yesterday. Hopefully someone can help tagging the images. Thanks, Sander.v.Ginkel (Talk) 10:05, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

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Professional wrestling RfC

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Philadelphia Sports Hall of Fame navigational boxes nominated for deletion

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Pêl law

Interesting BBC news item about a form of hand ball once popular in Wales here, though I don't know into which article it might fit (e.g. fives?), or whether it might be notable enough for its own article. Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:00, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

I've answered my own question - it's mentioned in Sport in Wales. Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:55, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Midget Farrelly

He is world's first surfing champion. He died on 7th August. I want to post in Recent death on the main page. Please improve the page with sources from news sources before his death. and [latest news about his death. --Marvellous Spider-Man (talk) 05:48, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Notability question for Andrew Austin

I noticed the Andrew Austin article while I was checking if an unrelated person with the same name has an article. My question is, is there something that makes this person notable that I'm not aware of? Because he doesn't seem to pass WP:GNG. Also pinging TheCatalyst31 as the page creator, is there perhaps more you are planning to add to the article? nyuszika7h (talk) 21:06, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

According to WP:ATHLETE, any athlete that has competed at the Olympics is considered notable. (In his case, I was filling in the gaps on User:Jao/List of Olympic shooting finalists without articles.) A quick search reveals that he's also won medals at the Commonwealth Games and has coached other British Olympic shooters (and that's aside from the coverage related to his Olympic appearance, most of which probably isn't online; this is, though it's three years after the fact). TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 00:59, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

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Creating a separate page for the UK sport of Racketball

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Current_stadium for Infobox NCAA conference tournament

At what point does next year's stadium become the current_stadium for infobox purposes? Since the most recent champion is labeled current champion, shouldn't that wait until the next championship is upcoming or imminent? —C.Fred (talk) 21:02, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Templates Help

Can someone please help me with the coding for Template:ParalympicNationRow I am no programmer and I can't work out what I have done wrong. There is an example on the template page. User:Yachty40000 (talk) 01:07, 16 Sept 2016 (UTC)

AfD

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Notable AfC article?

Hey, I was wondering if this would be a valid article. It seems a little indiscriminate for me, but I'm not totally savvy with sports related topics, so I figured it'd be best to leave it up to you guys. The draft can be seen at Draft:List of major awards by NBA players. I'm pinging Realhardfacts here so they know that I posted here and so they can be made aware of this WikiProject. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:41, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Tokyogirl79. I thought it is an important topic. People debate about the all-time ranking of NBA players all the time. The table provides a comprehensive view of what each top player has achieved. I have never seen such a comprehensive table before. Do you know if there will be a resolution? It will be sad if this article sits there as a draft infinitely. I must have spent 50+ hours on it and it is my first Wikipedia contribution. Realhardfacts(talk) 03:49, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Two Sports Related Articles Now Nominated at WP:INTHENEWS

Two articles (Jose Fernandez and Arnold Palmer) which may be of interest to members of this project have been nominated to be featured on the main page under the In the News section. The discussions may be found here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:38, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Some clarification on strength athletics

Please, read (and possibly answer to) this topic. Thank you, --Horcrux92 (talk) 09:02, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Invite to the African Destubathon

Hi. Members here may be interested in participating in the African Destubathon which starts on October 15. Africa currently has over 37,000 stubs and badly needs a quality improvement editathon/contest to flesh out basic stubs. There are proposed substantial prizes to give to editors who do the most geography, wildlife and women articles, and planned smaller prizes for doing to most destubs for each of the 53 African countries, so should be enjoyable! So it would be a good chance to win something for improving stubs on African sportspeople, both male and female for instance. Even if contests aren't your thing we would be grateful if you could consider destubbing a few African articles during the drive to help the cause and help reduce the massive 37,000 + stub count, of which many are rated high importance (think Regions of countries etc). If you're interested in competing or just loosely contributing a few expanded articles on African sportspeople, please add your name to the Contestants/participants section. Diversity of work from a lot of people will make this that bit more special. Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:47, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

I was wondering how the active members here might be involved in assessment of the need for a new wikiproject or task force. I am seeing a need for a wikiproject for rodeo -- or at least a task force off of 2 or 3 other wikiprojects (Agriculture, Equine and Sports). Thoughts? Opinions? Montanabw(talk) 20:25, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Para-athletes at able-bodied nationals

I was told that national titles are not featured on the infoboxes of international competitors. Does this apply when the sportsman is IPC-certified disabled, and they medaled at the able-bodied nationals for which they normally compete at Paralympics? -- 65.94.171.217 (talk) 07:10, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

I believe WP:WikiProject Paralympics can probably help with this. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:54, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Notability - divers

"An athlete is presumed to be notable if the person has actively participated in a major amateur or professional competition or won a significant honor and so is likely to have received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Is winning the Red Bull Cliff Diving World Series enough to qualify under this criteria for an athlete (diver Rhiannan Iffland) to have an article? (I have plenty of reliable sources ready.) Thanks for any help. JennyOz (talk) 05:31, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

"Super League"

Super League (disambiguation) lists many "Super League"s, yet the article Super League is about rugby. Is this the most prominent Super League? From a cursory Google Search [1] it doesn't appear to be the overwhelming choice. -- 65.94.171.217 (talk) 08:53, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Beware of localised Google searches - that search is dominated by rugby league when done from the UK, but perhaps not in Canada. I guess the question is what specifically would you replace it with? Most of the others have an official name that includes the name of the country, which is a handy disambiguator, whereas the rugby league competition does not. The Indian Super League gets double the pageviews, but has a different formal name. Also the rugby league competition is (technically) an international competition, which is worth a few points beyond mere pageviews. All I can say is that from a UK perspective, the rugby league competition is the obvious primary topic, but I know this isn't a UK-only encyclopedia.... Le Deluge (talk) 12:21, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
The Chinese Super League and Indian Super League are very prominent. I'd not consider the English Super League as the most prominent. However, there's the issue of incoming links. --167.58.181.5 (talk) 21:02, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Great website

I just found a great website with biographies about notable sportspeople from Estonia esbl.ee. There are many peopele who are not on Wikipedia. So I listed them at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Sports/Estonian sportspeople. Maybe this page be incoorporated somewhere in this WikiProject? Sander.v.Ginkel (Talk) 21:55, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

A navbox, a sidebar, and an infobox all walk into a room

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Recent 'Year in sports' articles, are too long

The articles 2013 in sports, 2014 in sports, 2015 in sports, 2016 in sports & 2017 in sports, need to be trimmed down. It's impossible to navigate those articles. GoodDay (talk) 20:25, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

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Mass deletion

A recent discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive941#User:Fram closed with the decision to mass-delete all biographies of living people created by user:SvG, probably over 16,000 in all, mostly sports people stubs. The rationale is that the stubs were generated in a slapdash manner, serious violations of BLP policy have been found and deleted, an unknown number of BLP violations remain, and it is just not practical to check all the stubs to ensure they accurately reflect what the sources say.

Most of the stubs have little value: the stub was generated from one line in a list of competitors in an event, and that one line is in a table entry in an article about the event. However, some articles will have value and should be userfied so they can be recreated after the mass deletion. Any comments at User:Aymatth2/SvG clean-up and volunteers to help with scripts to identify articles worth checking would be appreciated. Thanks, Aymatth2 (talk) 13:55, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Missing topics list

My list of missing topics about sports is updated - Skysmith (talk) 18:40, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

RfC on template display options

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With the holiday season over, I thought it might be worth bumping this discussion. Primefac (talk) 03:00, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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16,000 BLPs moving out of mainspace

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So how can you help? The BLPs are broken down by occupational area. If an one of these interests you, please help. Even if it is checking one article. Check the article that has been moved to draft that a) it meets the notability requirement of the occupational area in question and b) that the facts in the article are supported by the sources. This includes, but is not limited to, the dates of birth, who they represented, when they were active, etc. If there are elements that can not be supported by the sources, they must be removed. If you are happy with the article, then move it back into the mainspace. DO NOT move anything until you have checked the sources, or supplied other reliable sources to support information in the article that may not already be cited. More information can be found here.

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A series of AfDs

There is currently a series of bundled multi-page AfDs running, a list of which is at Template:2016-17 Sports event AfDs, in which wider input is highly encouraged. Deep and well-researched comments are especially welcome. 103.6.159.89 (talk) 01:37, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Please note the template is being constantly updated with new AfDs. So it would be helpful if interested editors watchlist it so that they may participate at the newer ones. 103.6.159.66 (talk) 02:05, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
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Lella Lombardi

Today would have been Lella Lombardi's 75th birthday; I've added her to March 26#Births. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:23, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

You're invited...

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XXXX in motorsports

As you know 2017 in motorsports, intended to be a subpage of 2017 in sports has been merged into List of 2017 motorsport champions. Let's have your opinion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport#XXXX in motorsports. Donnie Park (talk) 19:54, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Sports Year articles too long

2014 in sports, 2015 in sports, 2016 in sports & 2017 in sports are way too long & can't be navigated. GoodDay (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Lets split it up into multiple articles and then keep the original as a navigation page? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:37, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
I'm not good at doing those things. But, I'll support it. GoodDay (talk) 04:13, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
I'll support it too but unfortunately 2017 in motorsports has been merged into List of 2017 motorsport champions. Let's have your opinion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport#XXXX in motorsports, thanks. Donnie Park (talk) 19:56, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Question about notability

Are pages like 2014-2015 Iowa Wrestling Team and 2015-2016 Iowa Wrestling Team considered notable and/or worth having? They seem like little more than stats pages. Based on the category tree, they're the only two individual-season articles we have on wrestling (at least within the Big 10) in the entirety of USA Division I collegiate wrestling. Primefac (talk) 15:54, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Personally, I do not think they are. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:22, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

RfC on the WP:ANDOR guideline

Hi, all. Opinions are needed on the following: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#RfC: Should the WP:ANDOR guideline be softened to begin with "Avoid unless" wording or similar?. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:00, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

AFD

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RFC on sports notability

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Citation overkill proposal at WP:Citation overkill talk page

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Sports league seasons

Hello, we should really have some criteria for league seasons (as opposed to individual team seasons). For some reason baseball is very restrictive about which leagues have season articles, while sports like ice hockey and association football are far more lenient. Right now there is a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2016 Can-Am League season, where the baseball people are saying the article should be deleted, while I know for a fact there are non professional sports league season articles or minor professional league season articles for other sports. -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:17, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Infobox necessity

I am not able to provide infoboxes about the popular Sri Lankan sportspeople such as Muhammad Lafir,Nimal Lucas etc.Are the above mentioned articles lacking notability criteria?Abishe (talk) 11:25, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Hartford Hawks lacrosse

Hartford Hawks lacrosse was saved from Speedy Deletion yesterday. Hopefully, the brand new editor will return to finish the article (if he hasn't decided after the CSD that Wikipedia is not worth the effort). In the meantime, I've done what I can, but I know nothing about lacross or the Hartford Hawks. If anyone else can make a few edits to save this article from a future threat of CSD, it would be beneficial. — Maile (talk) 21:34, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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Update: Closure on WP:VPP discussion about WP:NSPORTS

Just to let you know, the discussion at WP:VPP is closed. One of points says that WP:NSPORTS neither supersedes nor replaces GNG, yet another says that older sources may be found to establish notability of older-generation athletes. The whole matter is discussed at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Update: Closure on the "inclusive" discussion. --George Ho (talk) 01:23, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

WP:Citation overkill RfC

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RfC regarding the WP:Lead guideline -- the first sentence

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RfC: Red links in infoboxes

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Request for comment: WP:NFOOTY guideline

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Article names of commercially sponsopred competitions

Hi. Is there a general guideline/MOS (either for Sport or broader) regarding article naming where a company has sponsored a competition? Practice in some places has been to use a neutral non-commercial / generic descriptive title -- for instance 1997 ARL season rather than "Optus Cup", Challenge Cup rather than "Ladbrokes Challenge Cup", and the guidance at Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennis/Article guidelines -- and it seems like this should be more or less universal, but I can't find it. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 10:39, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

It's not universal, and I don't think it needs to be, though consistency within a project/series on how reliable sources treats such is preferred, imo. North American attitudes are sometimes different from European which are different from Australian, etc. Resolute 14:23, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Category:Naturalised sports competitors by nationality

Exists this Category:Naturalised tennis players by nationality with only three country. And this Category:Naturalised soccer players of Australia What do you think about a creation of a thread of the category in the title of discussion, with all countries and all sports? --Kasper2006 (talk) 09:53, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Seems both unnecessary and redundant. In the case of Johan Anderson, as one example, he is in Category:Naturalised tennis players of Australia, Category:Swedish emigrants to Australia, Category:Australian people of Swedish descent and Category:Australian male tennis players, which is a whole lot of ways to say nearly the same thing. I would say that crossing being a naturalized citizen with a sport is also a trivial intersection Resolute 14:36, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
I agree, but we don't delete the extant categories? --Kasper2006 (talk) 12:54, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Probably only because nobody's bothered to list them at TFD. Resolute 15:14, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

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Rename/merge categories

Please see my proposal to speedily merge or rename these categories from “athletes” to “people” for these four states, as the subcategories for 17 of the 21 states use “people”, Hugo999 (talk) 05:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

RfC: Should the WP:TALK guideline discourage interleaving?

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Discussion at NSPORTS

Hello all. In an effort to finally resolve the never-ending and annoying GNG v SSG issue, I've proposed a revision of the NSPORTS introduction. You are all invited to take part in the discussion. Thank you. Jack | talk page 06:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Categorization

I've tried to fill in Category:Sports in Indiana lately. Can someone point me to conversations and conventions around biographical articles for sportspeople being to versus in a particular place? Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:38, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't know what conversations have taken place, but I would draw the distinction between categories that say a person is from a state and someone who is a sportsperson in a state. They are two very different things. The "from" categories ultimately map up to citizenship (e.g. "American basketball players") whereas "in" just means they played in the state. I think we need to keep these pure. Rikster2 (talk) 17:01, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

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Project Grant proposal, US Women Olympians and Paralympians

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Ongoing discussion on navboxes/sidebars

Hello project.

There is an ongoing discussion over at Talk:ISU Speed Skating World Cup involving the design of navboxes for articles that are one level above ordinary "games articles". Please take part.

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Template flags question

There is a discussion regarding changing a few flags in {{country alias}}. Your input is requested at this location. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 13:06, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Inclusion and context standard(s) for stats pages?

This WikiProject's scope includes a lot of pages that present statistics and other tabular data, without always including much in the way of context. (Many of these fall under Category:Sports records and statistics.) What I want to know is, does this WikiProject maintain any internal standard for what these pages should look like, in terms of what data should be included, and what sort of context is considered sufficient to make a large table a valid encyclopedia article? Thanks, —swpbT go beyond 15:16, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ Pinging the listed active members. —swpbT go beyond 12:41, 24 October 2017 (UTC) ​​​​​ Additionally pinging recent top contributors to this talk page. —swpbT go beyond 12:42, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

This project is mostly just an umbrella project for when something affects multiple sports. This sort of thing is often handled by the individual sports projects. -DJSasso (talk) 12:47, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia is a valid encyclopedia, but it is also simple data collection. Thousands of pages like this have to be and can not be much more than its are now. --Kasper2006 (talk) 15:46, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Except not. WP is entirely and only an encyclopedia, and is WP:NOT a database, statistics collection, or indiscriminate assortment of trivia, as a matter of clear policy. Just because some sports editors want to keep creating lists of stats doesn't make it appropriate here.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  19:04, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
To editor Kasper2006 (and anyone else): What do you think of what SMcCandlish has said? If that position turned out to be the community's consensus, what tabular data would be the most important to keep, and how would you suggest improving those pages? —swpbT go beyond 20:16, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Except you are wrong SMcCandlish. Per the Five Pillars we are. "It combines many features of general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers." And sports almanacs contain sports statistics. Hell even the link you provide in a very big font say we are also an almanac which is what these types of articles would be. And WP:NOT doesn't say no stats collection, it says no unexplained stats and in any sports articles I have seen what the stats mean is pretty clear so they aren't indiscriminate. Hell, it even goes on to explain how stats can be split off to their own article so as to make the main article easier to read. Which is exactly what the page that Kasper2006 linked to above is doing. -DJSasso (talk) 22:53, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Responded at the corresponding post at WT:NOT rather than further forking discussion here.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  10:34, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

FYI, the topic of statistics articles in general is being discussed here at the talk page of What Wikipedia is not. Diego (talk) 08:49, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Greg Butler

It looks to me as if something has gone horribly wrong with Greg Butler, and that a biography of a basketball player has been partially overwritten by one of a baseball player. There's been a fair amount of recent vandalism, and I don't have the time or the knowledge to sort this problem out. Can any of the experts here help? Narky Blert (talk) 10:31, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Yup, definitely a usurpation. I'll check to see if there's a "primary target" but it's likely I'll fork out the new content onto another page and create a dab at Greg Butler (assuming both the old and the new articles are legit). Primefac (talk) 14:40, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
Update: Greg the baseball player isn't notable (yet), so I've restored the original article. Primefac (talk) 15:21, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
@Primefac: TY! You've confirmed all my suspicions. If baseball Greg turns up in a MLB game and so passes WP:WPBB/N, I agree that a {{hndis}} page is the best way to tell the two of them apart. Narky Blert (talk) 00:22, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Yep. Good work. I wasn't quite sure what to make of that mess. PS: I wonder if Baseball Greg hangs out with Basketball Jones.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  03:38, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Request for help/advice: Had idea for a draft, but not much more

Hello WikiProjectians! I recently started a draft for an article: Draft:List of sport events considered the most significant. My idea was to create a compilation of games/matches/competitions that are considered "the best", in a similar spirit to List of films considered the best and other articles in that style. However, I know pretty much nothing about sports and soon realized that my idea for an article was nothing more than an idea. All I did in the end was to go around on different WP disam covering the topic, and that feels not very good to the spirit of WP to just paste around information. This is why I come here.
My question is: Are this WikiProject interested in this topic? Does any of you find it noteworthy and worth working on? Are anyone interested in "taking over" the draft that this idiot created?
Because if no interest is shown, I may as well delete the draft. No point in looking for sources in a topic I know nothing about. Thankful for cooperation, thankful for Wikipedia, Gaioa (click to talk) 14:23, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

That would get deleted as inherently advocating a particular viewpoint. You'd need to come up with an objective criterion, like largest number of attendees.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  17:57, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox world championships

Why does not it exist? There is this, that can be customized, but there is nothing specific. Is there anyone who would have the necessary knowledge to create it? --Kasper2006 (talk) 06:24, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Kasper2006, I think that would be a rather large uphill climb, seeing as there are a rather large number of templates that redirect to {{infobox games}}, including Asiad, Youth Olympics, Universiade, etc. I believe WP:INFOCOL is the reason for this. Basically, we don't need an infobox for every type of championship ("world" or otherwise) since the main template can handle it acceptable. It's the same reason {{infobox country at games}} replaced the hundreds of {{<country> at <games>}} templates we used to have. Primefac (talk) 15:58, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Yes, it would get merged back out of existence quickly. TfD has been big on merging away unnecessary content forks of infoboxes as separate templates, back into the parent template.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  19:07, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

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Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

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Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod talk 18:49, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@Rodw: It would be an order of magnitude more effective to subdivide this by sport; WikiProject Sports is a general overview project, and very little happens here. It's a bit like "biography" or "science" or "religion".  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  13:00, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
The automated list generation depends on the wikiproject banners applied to the talk page but I don't know the specifics probably best to consult @Dispenser: who is much more expert than I am on such things.— Rod talk 17:42, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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Major missing aritcle

We need an article at something like Sport nationality with redirects from Sports nationality, Sporting nationality, Nationality in sport, Nationality in sports, Nationality (sport), Nationality (sports), etc. It should cover the basics of the concept, including its frequent lack of tie to citizenship, transfers of nationality, dual sporting nationality in separate leagues, etc., with sections on how it is regulated in various sports and leagues like FIFA and so on. It's weird that this article doesn't exist, given that we internally "regulate" (e.g. at MOS:FLAGS) based on it, and it's an obvious subject of encyclopedic interest.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:38, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Good point, I wouldn't mind help drafting it but would need assistance... Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:04, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Happy to help out if needed. Primefac (talk) 00:05, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

The succession boxes

At the User:Vaselineeeeeeee its are unpleasant, he even deleted 15 (like this) and he had done it also with others. Now, I'm not the one who invented them, but would like to know if an single user can decide on the life or death of the succesion boxes? :) --Kasper2006 (talk) 06:35, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Please see User talk:Vaselineeeeeeee#Swimming world record succession boxes. These boxes, especially in football are frowned upon as they do not hold much merit and should be expressed in prose not randomly at the bottom of the page in a lazy box. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 06:38, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
As I told you, the problem is not if its are disapprovd or not, but as if its are admitted on Wikipedia or not. If its are allowed then its can not be deleted in the opinion of a single user.--Kasper2006 (talk) 07:28, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
That's what we're trying to establish here. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 18:12, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

According to the guideline, Wikipedia:Categories,_lists,_and_navigation_templates#Navigation_templates: For very long chronological series, it is preferable to use succession boxes, which only show the elements of the series immediately preceding and succeeding the article. (Presumably to keep the article's 'What links here' function as accurate and therefore helpful as possible.) Does the chronological list of titles in question - in the above edit's case, that of Gazzetta_Sports_Awards#Winners - meet this standard of being 'very long'? Can the above definition be extended to also take in chronological series that are inevitably enough going to become 'very long'?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

So it doesn't seem it is a clear use, or don't use, as there are advantages and disadvantages listed. The disadvantages are much longer, and most of them are the reasons I find them unnecessary. But having a guide like this is confusing as there is no black or white which will hinder consistency. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 15:35, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Pigeon pics

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Wiki Loves the Olympics

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AfD

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Man of the match

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UMass rivalries

I was thinking about adding additional rivalries to the UMass sports pages. I realize its a big school, but the sports programs are not nationally very well known. Specifically, I'd like to change the BC-UMass football rivalry to a general rivalry page (UMass plays them annually in Olympic sports, baseball, softball, and hockey as well), and leave the basketball rivalry page as is since it has a name. I was thinking of changing the UConn-UMass football rivalry page also to a general rivalry page for the same reasons as BC. After that, I was thinking of adding a Temple-UMass general rivalry page, a UMass-URI general rivalry page, and a UMass-Maine football rivalry page.....any thoughts?....Pvmoutside (talk) 17:07, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Rod Laver RfC

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Re: Draft:Spyros Rigos

This may qualify for inclusion into main namespace. Could you please check and share your thoughts or expand? Thank you. --Gryllida (talk) 02:05, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

RM notification

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Baseball Featured Article Review

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Is there an English umbrella term for sports like indoor golf?

My (Korean) students want to write article about something they call in Konglish "screen sports". After a while I figured they mean stuff like indoor golf, but apparently there are other sports version of it. If you Google Image for 스크린 축구 'screen soccer' you can see that there is something like that. Then try '스크린 야구', screen baseball. And looking at '스크린 스포츠', screen sport, shows a few more - I think I see a tennis and archery, for example, not too mention those horse-riding pics :D They are a bit like arcade games, but it seems separate, at least for Golf I've seen (through never been in one) quite a few dedicated business places here in Korea, something along the line 'come play screen golf', those places are small, restaurant-sized, but numerous. And looking at the pics, the trend in Korea at least is to expand this to other sports. But what are English names for that phenonamon? I tried researching this, but I guess I am not using the right keywords. Screen sport? Indoor sport? Indoor screen sport? Errr. Help me out, I'd rather not invent new terms if I can help it... and the indoor golf article is not helpful, either, no relevant terms of categories. Nor does Category:Indoor sports helps much. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:56, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

I think you'd be looking for something along the lines of Indoor golf#Golf simulator, i.e. "simulator sports" but I don't think it's necessarily a "genre". Primefac (talk) 12:06, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

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Sports Reference template

There is a proposal to amend the Sports Reference template and your thoughts are invited. Schwede66 18:38, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Seeking 2nd opinion on Notability

Zeke Upshaw has been nominated at WP:ITNC to be posted on the main page under Recent Deaths. However a question has been raised concerning his notability. I would like to get a 2nd opinion befoer we get too far along on this. The article was only created after he died. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:41, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

List of common misconceptions listed at Requested moves

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Single Purpose IP Address Edits Changing NCAA Tournament Infobox

It seems that someone at IP Address 96.233.56.172 has unilaterally decided to change infoboxes for NCAA tournament pages (basically anything that uses Template:Infobox NCAA Tournament yearly) so that the teams full names are written out instead of just the school title (i.e. Vanderbilt Comodores instead of Vanderbilt) are listed in the infobox. I do not know if this was previously discussed as what should be adopted as the new format, but I am guessing that since these edits are coming from an IP address this is probably not the case. I am writing here to, firstly, confirm that I am correct, and, if I am, how I can get the edits rolled back. As you can see, the IP address changed a lot of pages over the past few days and I have no desire to undo all his edits manually. Could someone please advise me? Thanks in advance. Hydra88 (talk) 16:06, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Steeplechase

I have requested that the above article be renamed. Thanks. SFB 21:53, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Discussion about article "Cristiano Ronaldo"

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo#RfC about statement in the lead section, which is about an article that is within the scope of this WikiProject. Ahecht (TALK
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