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"Statistic town"[edit]

There's been a little back-and-forth over at Altdorf, Uri, regarding the phrase "statistic town", which doesn't seem to be defined and certainly doesn't sound "right" to the average native English speaker (it's reminiscent of statistical area, but clearly not meant to be that). Edits by Ch-822 and ZH8000 brought this to my attention; I stepped in with a slightly different take, but generally agreed with Ch-822. ZH8000 is claiming that there's a consensus for the phrase's use. From cursory research, I get the sense that most or all instances of "statistic town" currently present in articles were created by ZH8000 him or herself, and I remain skeptical of the phrase's correctness or the existence of a consensus supporting it, but I wanted to move this issue out of edit-warring territory and into a proper forum. Comments, suggestions, and solid references are, of course, welcome. —jameslucas ▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄ 14:42, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

JFYI: The term "statistic town" (or "statistical town") is a translation from German: Statistische Städte, or French: Villes statistiques, a recently (2014) introduced term by the Federal Statistical Office in order to designate places with a town-like character. According to the very federal feelings and political structures in Switzerland, the decision whether a place calls itself a town lies at the sake of the municipality's government. Altdorf (UR), for example, does not call itself a town (but Gemeinde, or municipality), despite being the main place aka capital of the canton of Uri. So therefore, it is informative to say that Altdorf is a "statistic(al) town" (but not a town!). Nothing else I have in mind. See also List of towns in Switzerland. -- 15:04, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Besides, I think that "Statistische Stadt" translates preferably as statistic town comparable to statistic error, statistic report, or statistic average, rather than "statistical town". But I am not fixed here. -- ZH8000 (talk) 15:10, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm certainly not disputing the fact that Switzerland has an official definition of "town" and that it applies to Altdorf. I think we're just having a language barrier issue. "Statistics report", for instances, is vastly more common than "statistic report", and the other examples you site would have minor differences in meaning depending on if the presence of -s or -al. Speaking personally and without doing any special research, I would interpret "statistic error" (the variance in data) differently than "statistics error" (a misapplication of statistical data).
I'm pretty confident that most English speakers would say "statistic town" is meaningless and weird enough to grate. I don't really agree with Ch-822's suggestion of "statistics town" as being more meaningful. "Statistical town" would be better than either, but I'm not crazy about it. The most clear wording would be something along the lines of "both an historic and FSO-defined town", which is cumbersome and introduces a confusing acronym that has fairly little to do with Altdorf. Given that I'm not sure what an "historic town" means either, so I'm in favor of cutting all adjectives and just linking to List of towns in Switzerland, and let that article explain for anyone who needs clarification of what makes Altdorf a town. —jameslucas ▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄ 17:43, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
James, you are probabaly quite right. But that is not the point here. "Statistische Stadt"/"ville statistique" is (probably) an invention by FSO. It sounds even strange in German, and probably in French, as well. Nevertheless, that's the term FSO officially use. And I am pretty confident that statistic town is IMHO the correct translation. To expect that it sounds common in English is therefore unreasonable and no surprise at all that it sounds strange. Therefore, strangeness can not be an counterargument. And of course, you will not find it with any kind of search in any document before 2014 – and virtually nowhere in the English speaking world so far! And exactly therefore I find it important to make the distinction between town and statistic town in the Swiss context. The link to the [[List of towns in Switzerland]] is therefore the right way to link statistic towns.
My understanding is that it's supposed to signify that it is a town according to statistical conventions therefore that might be a phrase to use but I agree it's a very strange way of saying it. Maybe "it is statistically a town" or "A town in the statistical sense" would make the meaning of "Statistische Stadt" clear while avoiding the issue of a direct translation. One could therefore leave the German phrase and simply explain it in parentheses. Just my opinion, take it or leave it :) RedOctober483 (talk) 07:56, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
BTW: the term historic town is totally unrelated to the term statistic town, and must not be intermingled with each other; they are two totally different attributes of a (Swiss) town! -- ZH8000 (talk) 22:46, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
While I'm mulling over the 'Statistische Stadt' translation, could you elaborate on the 'historic' town? I can't tell if that's legally defined also, or just a way of saying the town is old. Thanks —jameslucas ▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄ 00:56, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Castle of La Bathia[edit]

Hey folks. Hoping someone can clue me in on this image. I'm assuming its in Switzerland since it's from the archives of the Swiss National Library, plus everything else in this set seems to be in the general area of Lake Geneva or therabouts. Per the description it's somewhere on the Rhone, but I haven't a clue where. Maybe that's the correct name and there just isn't an article, but the translation isn't always so great on the file descriptions, so it's just as likely that its something obvious I'm missing. TimothyJosephWood 19:05, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Hmm... actually... maybe it's La Bâtiaz Castle? TimothyJosephWood 20:29, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm 99% sure you're correct. I just looked at the image first and thought "Hey, that looks quite a bit like that tower near Martigny", and only then I looked at La Bâtiaz Castle, and saw that's what you suggested. So yeah, I'm pretty sure that's it. --Novarupta (talk) 12:26, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
I only now saw that according to the description on commons it even says "Martigny, environs. Château de la Bâtiaz" on the back side. So then we have certainty. --Novarupta (talk) 12:30, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Roger Federer: Should we include the term "male" to Greatest of All-Time?[edit]

Since you are listed as a project of interest, please consider joining in the discussion on whether or not to include the term "male" to Greatest of All-time at Talk:Roger Federer. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:55, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Sandro del Prete[edit]

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Proposed deletion of Hermann Greulich[edit]

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Women in Red November contest open to all[edit]


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