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Request for comment at Felidae[edit]

Requesting a wider discussion at Talk:Felidae#Classification table; recently List of felids was created (by me), and in response a large classification table was added to Felidae. Would like a wider discussion about whether the table is a good fit for that article or if a smaller section with a link to the list is better. --

Housekeeping; add signed response so this thread will be archived. Plantdrew (talk) 22:21, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

October drive for spooky plants and animals taxa?[edit]

Hey all, Halloween is one of my favorite holidays and I'm wondering if anyone wants to get in the spooky spirit with me. We could have a de-stubathon or GA drive or something relating to spooky taxa? Ideas

feel free to add species to the above list and chime in with ideas of what a good October event could be. Enwebb (talk) 14:31, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Sounds like a cool idea, not sure how much I'll be able to participate, but additional palaeontological subjects that come to mind could be Daemonosaurus, Diabloceratops, ghost lineage, Zuul (dinosaur named after a demon from the film Ghostbusters), Sauroniops (dinosaur named after Sauron), etc... Of course, there's also a genus called Satan, containing the Widemouth blindcat. FunkMonk (talk) 14:38, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Here are some witch related titles.   Jts1882 | talk  14:45, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
There's also Longan witches broom-associated virus --Nessie (talk) 15:49, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
You bring up zombies and don't mention the many redlinks in Ophiocordyceps and Cordyceps? Enough with your speciesism and your animals and plants only! --Nessie (talk) 14:58, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Deepest apologies, NessieVL. I have struck my species-ist phrasing and replaced with a more inclusive "taxa" :) Enwebb (talk) 15:20, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Apology accepted. :) --Nessie (talk) 15:49, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
It would be fun to load up on special occasion DYKs if we get enough 5x expansions or a GA or two. Pinging Cwmhiraeth the DYK superstar. Enwebb (talk) 18:02, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
I'll be happy to join in. At DYK, they usually have a special set of hooks for Halloween, but to qualify for that you will need to abide by the DYK criteria for newness and length, or newly promoted GAs, and nominate the article within seven days of creation/expansion promotion. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:59, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
For any interested, I have set up a table of candidate species in a TOL Contest subpage, and started a discussion on the talk page about scoring structure. Enwebb (talk) 15:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

official spooky species contest![edit]

I have spent officially way too much of my life finding the spooky critters of Wikipedia. Allow me to report that there are MANY. Please sign up for my light-hearted contest here to improve these taxa (also who wants to collab on Halloween darter?) Enwebb (talk) 20:16, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

I'll be happy to collabotate on Halloween darter. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:33, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
I started work on the Haloween darter. Do you want to expand it more? I haven't yet discovered how it got its name. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:05, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
It's named for it's orange and black coloration. See (PDF) A new species of Percina (Perciformes: Percidae) from the Apalachicola River drainage, southeastern United States. Plantdrew (talk) 18:21, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Cwmhiraeth, I arbitrarily chose the dates of the contest to be the last week of Sept and all of Oct (Sept 24-Oct 31) so I will start working on this soon :) Enwebb (talk) 19:21, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
OK, I jumped the gun. If it were to be a DYK for Haloween, I would have to nominate it within seven days of starting the expansion. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:27, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
...Or once we successfully pass our GAN! Enwebb (talk) 19:32, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

The first day of the contest is today, so there is still time to sign up! For those already signed up, you can start improving articles on the table and claiming points! Thanks, Enwebb (talk) 17:11, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Question about MOS:TIES[edit]

This came up today on Talk:Megabat, with another user asking why the article was written in AmE when the family that is the subject of the article does not occur in the US (I am in the US, though, and this is the only English variant I have experience writing in). What constitutes "strong ties" to a geographic area? In this case, Pteropodidae is a widespread family that would encompass several English dialects (Pakistani English, Indian English, Australian English, Nigerian English, Philippine English, South African English...), so if it needs to be rewritten, who would decide which English variation is the "right one"?

Basically is it fine that I write about taxonomic groups that aren't found in the US with AmE? I would think so per MOS:RETAIN, and wanted to check and see if this discussion has been had before. Enwebb (talk) 17:28, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

I would think that Megabat has no strong national ties, as it is connected to many areas and nations. It's not about Indian megabats or megabats of the Philippines. That being said, I don't really care what dialect is used in any article. --Nessie (talk) 18:25, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
I thought the rules were the article stays in whatever form that it was originally written in (at least in substantial form). There is no home ground for a topic. If an article on a US species (or for that matter a US president) is first written in British English then that is the convention for the article. Similar a British species could be written in American English if that is what the editors who created to article used. In most cases the form of English will be determined by local interest in a topic, but that is nothing to do with any wikipedia conventions.   Jts1882 | talk  19:50, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
The Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English does say, "An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the (formal, not colloquial) English of that nation." I would think that most articles about biological taxa do not have strong ties to a particular nation. - Donald Albury 19:59, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Outside of species that are national symbols (e.g. bald eagle), "national ties" should not be applied to taxa, and even in that case it feels like a distinct extra flourish. We had one editor trying to change Ostrich to BE because y'know, all these British colonies, and what does an ostrich have to do with the US... that way lies silliness. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 20:15, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

The only indication of an English variant I can find before Enwebb started making substantial edits in 2019 is a link to straw-coloured fruit bat, which seems to be mostly a matter of linking to an article by it's title than any attempt to set an ENGVAR. Straw-coloured fruit bat was created by Polbot, so presumably that was primary vernacular name listed by IUCN in 2007. MSW and the present IUCN call it "African straw-colored fruit bat". There's nothing wrong with Enwebb's writing megabat in American English. Plantdrew (talk) 20:36, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you all for weighing in--I had suspected that we didn't include organisms with MOS:TIES but it's good to know this position appears to be broadly held. I invited the other editor to start an RfC if they felt strongly about changing the ENGVAR, but they do not seem interested. Enwebb (talk) 21:28, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
That's correct, I am not fussed to do an RfC. I have posted at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Spelling to see if anyone there wants to weigh in. This article is scheduled to appear as TFA so I thought it likely that it might come up then. Better to have a proper discussion first. --The Huhsz (talk) 11:13, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
This was asked at WT:MOSSPELLING as "If I wrote an article about a bug endemic to Mexico, the US and Canada, could I write it in Commonwealth English?". Basically, no. That is, yes, you can write it in non-North American English (or even in Greek for that matter). But it would need to be re-done in US or Canadian English, and it would be disruptive to edit-war against someone doing that. TIES has nothing to do with particular topics/categories, only with strong geographical ties that also coincide with prevalence of a particular dialect of English. If the species doesn't naturally occur in any majority-English-speaking country, then MOS:RETAIN applies (whatever English variant was used in the first non-stub version should be kept, unless there's a convincing reason to change it). But if you want to write about the Scottish wildcat in, say, Canadian English, you're going to get your spelling changed, and rightly so. If you think the opposite view is "broadly held", you're mistaken. It doesn't matter if you're writing about British hills, or British cars, or British pornstars, or British spiders, using British English. If there's a strong national tie, then TIES applies, no lie. Trying to think of something else to add that ends in that sound. Heh.  — AReaderOutThatawayt/c 11:14, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool[edit]

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:25, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

First annual Tree of Life Decemberween contest[edit]

After all the fun with the Spooky Species Contest last month, there's a new contest for the (Northern hemisphere's) Winter holidays at Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life/Contest. It's not just Christmas, but anything festive from December-ish. Feel free to add some ideas to the Festive taxa list and enter early and often. --Nessie (talk) 17:28, 8 November 2019 (UTC)