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Projects[edit]

I know no one is probably on here, but I think one big project should be creating the remainder of the seasons in the EPAC best track. Those would be:

--♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:45, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, but I also think we have a lot of potential GT's for this project. Ill create a list here. Also, I do think that he seasons between 1925 and 1942 (when the MWR is around) should get season articles. YE Pacific Hurricane 02:33, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Well, I'm not so sure about 1925-1942. What difference would there be having a broad list article (such as List of Atlantic hurricanes before 1600) versus individual? I think it works better having a broad list of storms, since they're all in one location, and most storms are fairly uniform (they form, they dissipate, they sometimes affect land). --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:53, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Hink and his reasoning; I don't think there should be seasonal EPac articles before 1949. Also, it seems odd to skip seasonal articles for 1942-48 (lack of MWR probably due to World War II in the Pacific.) Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 19:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I was thinking perhaps of it being in the style of Pre-1600 Atlantic hurricane seasons, organized by decade. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Missing articles[edit]

The following are landfalling hurricanes since 1966, some of which could possibly use articles, but others probably wouldn't have enough info. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:57, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

  • Hurricane Katrina (1967)
    • Probably too far back, although it'd be a nice April Fools TFA if we had enough info. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
    • There is quite a bit of info, this was a significant system. YE Pacific Hurricane
    • Significant system, should have an article. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 04:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Hurricane Olivia (1967)
    • Again, probably too far back. IIRC, it was the strongest to hit the east side of the Baja California Peninsula (tied with Kiko 89?). ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
      • Big no. All we know is that it made landfall on Baja and that's it. The season article does mention 61 deaths, but it's source is a dead link. I tried giving Olivia an article this morning, but does not even have any newspapers that mention Olivia.YE Pacific Hurricane 17:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Hurricane Jennifer (1969)
    • Too far back to have significant coverage IMO. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Hurricane Agatha (1971)
    • It was overshadowed by Bridget, which itself didn't have much info. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
      • I give this a try last week and I say no due to lack on info. 15:53, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Hurricane Irah (1973)
    • Not much damage caused. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
      • It did do damage and has a lot of info for a storm in that time period. YE Pacific Hurricane 15:53, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Hurricane Dolores (1974)
    • It didn't last that long and was only a C1, although there were 15 deaths. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
      • Does not seem like the type of storms that has a lot of info. YE Pacific Hurricane 04:46, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Hurricane Doreen (1977)
  • Hurricane Andres (1979)
    • I'm concerned about the time period and location with regards to info. However, it's the only chance for a sub-article in that season. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Hurricane Olivia (1982) - dissipated before moving ashore
    • This is another storm where a storm dissipates before causing impact, and IMO should not be a TC article. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
      • If the storm was fully related to the flood, it should be a TC article. If not, I will highly consider giving it a flood article.YE Pacific Hurricane 00:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
        • But it wasn't fully related to the TC, since the TC dissipated offshore. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:55, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Hurricane Odile (1984)
  • Tropical Storm Gilma (1988) - hit Hawaii as a tropical depression
  • Hurricane Boris (1990)
    • It once had an article but was merged, and I think it should stay that way considering it did nothing as a tropical cyclone. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
      • It did cause damage to a ship as a TC, but otherwise see Olivia 82's section.YE Pacific Hurricane
        • Storms regularly damage ships. No, I am against this getting another article, it did nothing. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:55, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
          • Another Article? Nothing? It affected land, and is the type of EPAC storm that gets a lot of info. It set rainfall records. What harm will it due if it gets an article if it is high-quality? YE Pacific Hurricane 15:53, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Tropical Storm Ignacio (1991) - 10 deaths in Mexico
    • I'm most concerned whether there would be enough information. There's nothing in a Google search, so it may end up just being one of those notable storms that can't get an article due to lack of info. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
      • Ill probably give this a try some day.YE Pacific Hurricane
        • Well, before you do, be sure there is enough info. As I said, I couldn't find any impact on it. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:55, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
          • I found 10 deaths and widespread damage, and that's it. YE Pacific Hurricane 17:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Hurricane Orlene (1992) - hit Hawaii as a tropical depression
    • More impact than Gilma at least, and was a moderately powerful storm. I'd be most interested if there was any interaction between Orlene and Iniki, and whether the former caused problems for areas affected by the latter. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Tropical Storm Beatriz (1993) - over $1 billion in damage
    • It sounds more like a flood article, like Javier 98. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
      • Javier 98 is not a flood article, BTW. I'd keep it as a TC article since the NHC said the deaths were related.YE Pacific Hurricane 18:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
        • I was indicating that Javier could be a flood article - the NHC says nothing about Javier's deaths. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
          • I though we decided on IRC to omit the deaths. And when I said about the deaths, I meant the Beatriz deaths, nor the Javier deaths. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Anyway, I am having a lot of trouble finding information on the storm. There is nothing on Google news indicating a flood or severe storm in Mexico in June 1993, nor can I find many hits for [Tormenta Beatriz Mexico 1993] (or any similar search). I'm beginning to think that $1 billion estimate may be in error. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Hurricane Lidia (1993) - C2 at landfall
    • I will get to this some day, this is my type of storm. YE Pacific Hurricane 00:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
I'd add Beatriz 93, Aletta 82, Estelle 86, Norbert 84, and Olivia 82 IMO. I say no to Olivia 67 and Eugene 87 due to lack of info. Also, should I un-merge and finish Waldo 85? YE Pacific Hurricane 18:11, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
IDK. of the ones I listed, I think only Lidia, Newton, and Doreen should get an article, as well as Estelle of the ones you listed. I commented below each of them them. If you fix up Waldo, sure. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
You did not add Olivia 82 to the list. Also, could Gilma 88, Orlene 92, Boris 90, or Ignacio 91 get an article? YE Pacific Hurricane 18:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
You could've added them :P But I updated it. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

There is also the 1931 Santa Rosalía hurricane, which killed over 100 people per [1], although it might be too early to do effectively. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 19:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Yea, I remember seeing that on the project request page, and I'm precisely worried about the time period. Then again, this had no problem finding information, although I do feel that Atlantic-side Mexican storms have more info. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Here are a few others

YE Pacific Hurricane 17:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

And here are a few more:

YE Pacific Hurricane 04:46, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Goals and overview of the task force[edit]

Now that I finished adding |epac-task-force=yes to all our articles, I am taking a broad look at our articles. Most of our important articles are fairly high-quality. Hurricane Iniki is an FA, and 1959 Mexico hurricane, Hurricane Pauline, Hurricane Tara (1961), Hurricane Paul (1982), and 1939 Long Beach hurricane are all GAs or at GAN. Excluding Hurricane Liza (1976) and 1858 San Diego hurricane, they are all at least moderately high-quality.

For season articles, that is a different story. Similar to ATL retired storms, some are poor and some are high-quality and some are so. 1997 Pacific hurricane season and 1994 Pacific hurricane season are fairly high-quality. Yet, the 1992 Pacific hurricane season is start class and so is the 1971 Pacific hurricane season. The 1976 Pacific hurricane season and the 2009 Pacific hurricane season is so-so.

They are also a few storm articles that /could/ be created. Now, what should be our objective plan looking forward? I agree that we should do season article back to 1949 at least, but due to a track map problem, I am not helping out with that. Should we do any colabs? If so, what storm/season? How should we attract new members? Should I create an invite template? Should we set a goal of 150 GA's? 200 GA's?

YE Pacific Hurricane 04:42, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Old information within reach[edit]

There are a series of books (8), with the title "Northern Hemisphere, Tracks of Low Pressure Centers" which cover Jan. 1899-June 1939 and were published when the initial batch of Historical Weather Maps (1899-1939) were produced during World War II. In the set of books, there are tracks of "tropical hurricanes" with dates and central pressure information. Since the information was published by the military, and there is scant information outside of a MWR article, this information could be used within the older articles regarding the Pacific hurricane season. It's quite possible that libraries other than the NOAA Central Library have this set of books, in case anyone wants to develop the older articles. Along with this set of books, there is another set of huge books which cover 1909-1954 which also show northeast Pacific hurricane tracks. All of this information is being used to help pursue other lines of data to help push the eastern Pacific HURDAT back into the 19th century. FYI. Thegreatdr (talk) 01:18, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

That's good. I'd imagine that it would eliminate the gap in info 1942-8. I'd imagine that, on paper at least, there'd be more info on activity during the war due to all the naval activity. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 21:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
That's the theory...though I don't know of any WWII battles offshore Mexico. =) The set of 8 small books has arrived at work this afternoon. Once I get through them, I'll see if a similar set of books for the Historical Weather Map series exists for the 1939-1949 period. They should exist. NHC may have the set of big books on interlibrary loan for reanalysis purposes, which I'll figure out in February or March. Thegreatdr (talk) 23:04, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I've added the relevant info from the "tropical hurricanes" in the low track books. It looks like the time frame of 1925-1938 was fairly well covered already. =) Thegreatdr (talk) 06:01, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

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