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Code Pink[edit]

Code Pink activists occupy Venezuela's embassy in Washington since April. There have been clashes between CP Hands off Venezuela activists and pro-Guaido supporters. I updated CP article but I do not know how is that going to play out. Should this info be added anywhere else? Source ‘We’re not going to leave’: Three arrested, activists face dwindling supplies on Day 3 of Venezuelan Embassy protests in D.C. (Washington Post) --MaoGo (talk) 16:33, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Is this done, ready to archive? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:41, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 Done--MaoGo (talk) 12:36, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Translations[edit]

I have been thinking this for a while: could a cooperation be started to translate articles about Venezuela in Spanish and vice versa? I usually create articles in Spanish rather than in English, and in sight of the activity that there has been I supposed it could be notified each time an article is created; I guess it would be sort of like reactivating the Requested articles tab. It would be interesting doing the same thing viceversa, and we have a new articles tab to keep track of Venezuelan articles. --Jamez42 (talk) 18:17, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

If you all can do it, great, but I rarely translate from es.wiki becaue it is too poorly sourced. I really prefer to start over, using the highest quality English-language sources I can find; that is faster for me, anyway. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:23, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
If we had more collaboration with Spanish editors this would be nice. Pinging Oscar ..--MaoGo (talk) 18:55, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Translations of what kind? Of politics, culture, geography? What Sandy is saying is a problem, but we can see problem of lack of sources in articles of Venezuela in English, we, as a society have an structural problem of lack of sources, specially online sources around so much topics that makes really difficult to start a new articles, in that sense Wikipedia has become the 'de facto' source in many fields, and we have seen the backlash of that this year with the censorship.
One of our first projects back in 2014 was translate Wikipedia, we can do something similar with more oversight over quality this time around. --Oscar_. (talk) 23:29, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── I started a "2019" section, which includes the articles that I have started this year, mostly about politics. The majority of them are stubs, so it should be fairly easy to translate, to any who might be interested. --Jamez42 (talk) 18:43, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

TIAR[edit]

I am working on the Inter-American Treaty of Reciprocal Assistance (TIAR) news. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:23, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

sources say NA approved rejoining TIAR, Instagram posts say no, only approved passing resolution to commission ???? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:22, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
This is still outside my radar/sources. I only know the AN discussed the treaty. --MaoGo (talk) 19:34, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
The parliamentary 16 July Fraction denounced a "burocratic dilation to rejoin TIAR", although I haven't had the time to listen to the declaration. Those are the deputies that support the most a military intervention and believe that actions should be taken quickly, having a sense of urgency. Speaking of which, I should mention that Vice President of the National Assembly Edgar Zambrano was arrested more than an hour ago. --Jamez42 (talk) 00:20, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
@Jamez42: I am not sure what your answer is. I already added the TIAR rejoining to the pres crisis article; do I need to delete it? Is there a controversy? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:22, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
From what I gather and what I have read, they think the process is not being done fast enough, but from what I know this process has already started. After getting some sleep, tomorrow I'm expecting to be better informed :) --Jamez42 (talk) 00:26, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
I finally managed to listened to it. The deputies basically state that instead of being approved right away, the request was delegated to the Committee of Foreign Affairs. I think that it's alright to say that the process started, I'm not sure if more sources have continued commenting on this. --Jamez42 (talk) 17:34, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── @SandyGeorgia: If I'm not mistaken the proposal was officially approved by the Assembly this Wednesday. --Jamez42 (talk) 17:57, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@SandyGeorgia: I got mistaken, what was approved was the re-entry in the San José Pact, the Inter-American Convention of Human Rights, with the vote of four dissident chavistas. --Jamez42 (talk) 22:08, 19 May 2019 (UTC)


@SandyGeorgia: as you may have known already, the TIAR was approved yesterday, should we open the hidden texts you left in the articles? Tweet --MaoGo (talk) 15:33, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

SCMP: Fidel Castro's part[edit]

Where does this go?

  • Leng, Sidney (9 May 2019). "Fidel Castro's part in shaping China's economic link with Venezuela revealed by former bank governor". South China Morning Post. Retrieved 9 May 2019.

Other news to be followed[edit]

Waiting on RS for this Phantom boats (Armando.info) --MaoGo (talk) 06:49, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Armando.info is a reliable source, they do an amazing job on corruption investigations, but because of their content it is advisable to use secondary sources. --Jamez42 (talk) 08:50, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

more news[edit]

So the news that are missing now are:

Where do we cover these? I already covered the AN blockade in the censorship article, but it is such an arbitrary event that I do not know if it deserves more coverage. --MaoGo (talk) 09:29, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Also there is the AN chavistas that are helping with the quorum like this Diputado oficialista Fernando Orozco se incorporó a la Asamblea Nacional (El Nacional), if we have more sources a line or two would not hurt in the defections article. --MaoGo (talk) 10:50, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
And another report on how Weisbrot-Sachs report is misleading Impact of the 2017 sanctions on Venezuela (Bahar, Bustos, Morales, Santos; Brookings institution). Blog post here--MaoGo (talk) 12:08, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Also, is it me, or are you also finding that there is a hole in English news about Simonovis escape? I am waiting before adding details in the Uprising/presidential crisis article because of this. --MaoGo (talk) 11:38, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
These are the sources that I have found:
@Jamez42: I do not claim there is no coverage, but too little coverage. None of what I checked talk about Guaidó's pardon. Sadly, I cannot access the WSJ :-( [Hey I think that article is from 2014] We need to cover this article correctly because it is part of Operation Freedom. --MaoGo (talk) 14:43, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't mean to claim that! I found little coverage too, so I hope those links help; you're also right! I'm striking the 2014 source. --Jamez42 (talk) 14:55, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
I am two weeks behind, but hope to catch up this weekend (I have some medical editing I must catch up on first). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:58, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Another Efecto Cocuyo infograph [2] on the members of the National Assembly --MaoGo (talk) 23:22, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I also shared these infographics in the Spanish Wikipedia:
Cool. I really like nice infographics. Do you think a table like the one in Hispano post could be useful in the National Assembly article?--MaoGo (talk) 10:19, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Sure! My proposal in the Spanish Wikipedia was to create a section in the 4th National Assembly period article, but I think it's very important to start it soon because of the recent indictments against the deputies, as well as the incoming parliamentary elections. --Jamez42 (talk) 10:51, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

When I come across news that needs to be incorporated, I email the link to myself. Having had a busy two weeks, I now have 35 reliable sources that need to be added, including the new Amnesty International report, and more. @MaoGo: let me know what you need from Wall Street Journal, as I have free access to ProQuest and can get it there. I will put info you need at User:SandyGeorgia/sandbox, so watch there. I dearly hope to be able to start catching up this afternoon, but real life has not been cooperating! And I have two medical articles I must update ... hopefully this week, things will settle down on the home front. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:21, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

@SandyGeorgia: no problem. News have become stale again (aside from the news peak on Thursday), take your time. Could you check if there is some report on Simonovis on the WSJ? --MaoGo (talk) 15:26, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
@MaoGo:, editing from hotspot on my phone in car ... will do when home ... remind me if I forget? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:35, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Ok. Do not miss to check some of the other sources here provided. Best regards.--MaoGo (talk) 15:47, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

May list[edit]

I fell behind ... obviously, I can't do all this myself :) :)

Juan Guaidó

Crisis in Venezuela

Supreme Tribunal of Justice (Venezuela)

2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis

International sanctions during the Venezuelan crisis

Venezuelan crisis defection

Foreign involvement during the Venezuelan presidential crisis

Responses to the 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis

2019 Venezuelan uprising

Economy of Venezuela

BLPs

I have to update two medical articles before I can even start on this list. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:41, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Debt restructuring

Isaías Rodríguez, Italian ambassador

Mastercard and Visa

Corruption in Venezuela

Humanitarian aid

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:51, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

I will try to cover some of these. --MaoGo (talk) 17:46, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
I updated some (Rodriguez, 9t gold, NGO aid). Some I do not know how to deal with them, which sections should cover the AN blockade, Mastercard/Visa or the US flights cancelled? Some I prefer to avoid because they have to be treated more carefully. I would try to update more where I can. Also do not forget to take a look at Impact of the 2017 sanctions on Venezuela (Bahar, Bustos, Morales, Santos; Brookings institution). --MaoGo (talk) 13:06, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Waste crisis (AlJazeera) .--MaoGo (talk) 15:00, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

A-class review[edit]

Stepping away from politics (as much as possible, at least), I was thinking of opening an A-class review. Articles that are A-class are the step between GA and FA, meaning they should be very good; this is typically decided in review at the appropriate WikiProject. I'm thinking of putting Un célebre especialista sacando muelas en el gran Hotel Europa up for FA when I have the time to go through the process fully. After being made a GA, it has seen a peer review with all the points actioned, as well as some other touch-ups, so I think an A-class rating is not out of the question while I prepare for FA nom. For anyone who would like to take a look, A-class criteria is here. We could also set up a review process at WP:Venezuela/Assessments, if there's a level of interest in expanding Venezuela articles. Kingsif (talk) 19:45, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Acarigua mutiny[edit]

I just discovered the new 2019 Portuguesa, Venezuela prison uprising by accident, I write here just to leave the link.--MaoGo (talk) 18:17, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

+Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#Portuguesa prison uprising--MaoGo (talk) 18:27, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Ambassadors of Guaidó[edit]

Does somebody have an extensive list of Guaidó's ambassadors? --MaoGo (talk) 18:02, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

I just found Vanessa Neumann, who needs serious clean up. I wonder if there are other like her. --MaoGo (talk) 18:11, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
The Spanish article of the presidential crisis has such list. I'm not sure if it is outdated, and I think we also used to keep a list, but I can't remember. --Jamez42 (talk) 09:30, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Diplomat Country/Organization
Julio Borges Lima Group
Gustavo Tarre Briceño  OEA
Ricardo Hausmann Inter-American Development Bank
Otto Gebauer  Germany
Carmen Alguindingue  Andorra
Elisa Trotta Gamus  Argentina
Alejandro Martínez  Australia
Mary Ponte  Belgium
María Teresa Belandria  Brazil
Estefanía Meléndez  Bulgaria
Orlando Viera Blanco  Canada
Guarequena Gutiérrez  Chile
Humberto Calderón Berti  Colombia
María Faría  Costa Rica
Enrique Ser Horst  Denmark
René de Sola  Ecuador
Antonio Ecarri Bolívar [es]  Spain
Carlos Vecchio  United States
Isadora Suárez de Zubillaga  France
María Teresa Romero  Guatemala
Claudio Sandoval  Honduras
Enrique Alvarado  Hungary
Angelina Jaffe  Luxembourg
Felipe Zoghbi  Malta
Gloria Notaro  Netherlands
Fabiola Zavarce  Panama
David Olsen  Paraguay
Carlos Scull  Peru
Ana Medina  Poland
José Ignacio Guédez  Morocco
José Rafael Cotas  Portugal
Vanessa Neumann  UK
Tamara Sujú  Czech Republic
Eusebio Carlino  Dominican Republic
Memo Mazzone  Romania
León Poblete  Sweden
María Alejandra Aristiguieta   Switzerland
@Jamez42: Thanks. I suggest that we create an article for this with the right references. What about List of ambassadors of Guaidó's administration or is it too much to create list just for this? --MaoGo (talk) 09:37, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
I would love to have a seperate article. I remember some time ago the addition was disputed because of the disagreement where to add the list. Back then there was a suggestion to create an article such as "Presidency of Juan Guaidó" or something similar. In any case, I suggest that if we create an article of the list, we also create a section about the date of the appointments, and possibly a brief background of the ambassadors. --Jamez42 (talk) 10:08, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Agree, but I cannot get the name of the article right. Most of the diplomats that already have an article need a broader description of the Presidential crisis to avoid Neutrality templates. --MaoGo (talk) 10:40, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
A list of Ambassadors of Venezuela (with Maduro and Guaidó diplomats) could solve the issue. But it would be a pain to update.--MaoGo (talk) 11:31, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Small update, Netherlands' ambassador has been changed. --Jamez42 (talk) 22:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Notice of RfC[edit]

FYI. RfC available for comment:

Talk:Fabiana_Rosales#RfC_on_Juan_Guaido's_wife

This is related to Venezuelan politics.

--David Tornheim (talk) 09:51, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Inflation according to the BCV (2019)[edit]

So the Central Bank just published some results. Where does this information go? I am thinking Crisis in Venezuela and Economy of Venezuela, anywhere else? Also does somebody usually handles this kind of info?--MaoGo (talk) 15:45, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

If the numbers are real or not, it is amazing that the numbers are higher than the BS Forbes numbers wanted us to believe. --MaoGo (talk) 15:48, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
I ask for help because there are many tables and data that has to be handled properly and CAREFULLY. --MaoGo (talk) 15:57, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
"The IMF does not trust in the quality of the numbers given by the Central Bank". In any case, this is historic now that it's been near three years since official estimates were given. --Jamez42 (talk) 12:36, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks James, I have updated accordingly. My only fear now is that those updates are used to update the tables (before validity from any sources) but yet again, even with those numbers it is a huge crisis. --MaoGo (talk) 14:32, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Russia retires personnel from Venezuela[edit]

I leave this for somebody to update (I can also do it later in the week):

--MaoGo (talk) 19:12, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

I think Maduro also confirmed a decrease, but I'd have to check on that. --Jamez42 (talk) 23:04, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
To comment that the staff that arrived to the country a couple months ago actually were packing bags, --Oscar_. (talk) 23:25, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

 Done in Foreign involvement during the Venezuelan presidential crisis, any more refs? leave them in the respective talk. --MaoGo (talk) 20:15, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

POV Noticeboard called on Guaidó[edit]

Talk:Juan_Guaidó#NPOV_noticeboard_-_POV_check--MaoGo (talk) 22:02, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Second Move proposal 2019 Venezuelan uprising[edit]

Talk:2019 Venezuelan uprising#Requested move 6 June 2019 --MaoGo (talk) 08:54, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

New article: Hyperinflation in Venezuela[edit]

Hyperinflation in Venezuela, please, take the time to read it out.--MaoGo (talk) 10:57, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

International sanctions during the Venezuelan crisis[edit]

Hi there, Argentina just introduced a list of entry bans here. This is currently in development. Please inform your other Wikipedians who are interested in Venezuela. The blacklist includes all members of the National Constituent Assembly. Thanks --cyrfaw (talk) 19:58, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@Cyfraw: Woah. Will do, thanks! --Jamez42 (talk) 23:13, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

AN decree on passports[edit]

I updated 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis to add the new information of Guaido's decree on passports. According to this article of El Pitazo, there are more countries that recognize the expired passport [3], also Efecto Cocuyo [4] and [5]. Let us wait for English sources on this matter. Probably more updates will come during the following weeks on Guaido's decree and the countries accepting it. If you got anything please leave a source here. Also, articles like Venezuelan passport and Juan Guaidó (edit battlefield so be careful) should be updated accordingly. --MaoGo (talk) 21:24, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

  • And Colombia (that has done it since March) accepted Guaido's measure [6] (El Nacional).--MaoGo (talk) 13:24, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
  • And maybe France [7] (EL Nacional)--MaoGo (talk) 21:53, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Definitely Costa Rica [8]--MaoGo (talk) 22:27, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Fuerte Tiuna[edit]

Raúl Baduel and Edgar Zambrano were recently moved to Fuerte Tiuna [es], an English wikiarticle about this place would be nice. --MaoGo (talk) 15:10, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

In English it is sometimes called Fort Tiuna [9] (WSJ)MaoGo (talk) 15:15, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

To anybody who might be interested, there's an ongoing GA review of the Bolivarian diaspora article. --Jamez42 (talk) 22:02, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

How to revert an archive? (30April2019)[edit]

In Talk:2019 Venezuelan uprising a bot has tried twice to archive the first move discussion [10] I have tried to revert this change [11] twice. For the more advanced users:

  1. is this the right way to revert archiving? I think a copy of the discussion is still being created in the archive
  2. how do I stop the bot from archiving a particular section?

--MaoGo (talk) 09:01, 14 June 2019 (UTC)