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Game hint lines[edit]

I came across an article in GamePro about live game counselors and 900 hint lines which has one or two useful pieces of info. The trouble is, I can't seem to find an article on Wikipedia where such information might appropriately go. Any suggestions?--Martin IIIa (talk) 20:34, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

There's probably enough coverage to convert Nintendo Power Line into a broader concept of Video Game hint lines, of which the most famous was the Nintendo Power Line: Kotaku, A.V. Club, the line was revived for the NES Mini launch (Engadget, CNet, Polygon), Wikia (unusable as a source but can be used as a base for research), featured in The Wizard, that time when one number was bought by an sex company (N4G, NBC, Wired), Gamasutra, Felicia Day biography, Geek.com, Sierra Hint Line (this is an archive of 1989 Sierra Magazine), Sega, Konami also had their own Hint Lines.  · Salvidrim! ·  20:55, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Martin IIIa do you have a link to the GamePro article?  · Salvidrim! ·  13:17, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Bumping thread for 60 days.  · Salvidrim! ·  16:30, 12 June 2017 (UTC)


Game Revolution relaunch - lots of broken links[edit]

Game Revolution recently relaunched/redesigned their website.[1] Some links are now 404 (such as this soundtrack review from GA Music of The Last of Us), and some just point to the wrong place (such as this game review from GA Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri).

I think this calls for an archiving bot. - hahnchen 12:57, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

I think, specifically the soundtrack review, was deleted from their site (for whatever reason), check the "The Last Of Us" tag, and scroll down as far down as you can... it's just not there. The review searched for is located at this page (note though that the link you gave us, and subsequently was on the linked article, was a redirect to http://www.gamerevolution.com/review/alpha-centauri (without /pc), which is now a redirect to the above, new link.) Lordtobi () 13:29, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Rather than calling for an archive ambulance, I think we would more appreciated having links updated to their redesigned live versions (maybe also by a bot?) Lordtobi () 13:32, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Has anyone contacted Game Revolution about these broken links? GamerPro64 16:34, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
One bump before letting this archive - no, I have not contacted GR. I think it best that the links were archived, who knows if they change their website again? There are 2000+ links, but not all those are mainspace. - hahnchen 20:56, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I just contacted them. It looks like it'll be taken care of. GamerPro64 00:19, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

OpenCritic RFC[edit]

Please be aware of this RFC that has been started, which asks for OC to be accepted as reliable source and added to Template:Video game reviews. -- ferret (talk) 20:58, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

  • A second discussion about the reliability of OpenCritic has been started here at WP:VG/S. -- ferret (talk) 15:31, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Time for a Category:RPG Maker games?[edit]

The category has been deleted twice before, 11 years ago, but I'm gonna ask here just to be safe. Do you guys think it's time to make this category? Currently there are many articles in Category:RPG Maker that should be in this. Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:23, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Looks like a valid sub-category. -- ferret (talk) 13:31, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Given we have Category:Unity (game engine) games and Category:Unreal Engine games, I see no issue with this. However, let me suggest that we flip the naming scheme of these around to "Games made with RPG Maker/Unity/Unreal/whatever" so they don't look like a platform or genre.--MASEM (t) 13:34, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Great! I've made Category:Games made with RPG Maker‎. I'll start filling it tomorrow. Anarchyte (work | talk) 13:53, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Just a followup, Masem and Ferret, do you think it'd be a good idea to start a rename CfD for similar categories (Category:Unity (game engine) games etc) so that it's consistent (would become Category:Games made with Unity in this case)? 07:49, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I incorrectly formatted my signature there, pinging just in case it didn't work because of it. @Masem and Ferret:. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:52, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
It'd be better had you just created Category:RPG Maker games like you originally suggested. - hahnchen 10:19, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
A category for RPG Maker games is valid in my eyes. Have no strong opinion on "RPG Maker games" versus "Games made with RPG Maker". -- ferret (talk) 12:24, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
We should at least standardize them. I'm not thrilled with the name "Category:Unity (game engine) games", and while I like saying "Games made with..." to differ these from platform, at least I would rename this one to be "Unity engine games" to avoid that awkward parenthetical that's not needed here. --MASEM (t) 14:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm going to guess that it was moved from Category:Unity engine gamesCategory:Unity (game engine) games per WP:C2D. --The1337gamer (talk) 16:48, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
I prefer "Games made with..." it's clear and does exactly what it says on the tin. - X201 (talk) 15:27, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
I feel like it's a valid category as well. In a general sense, I'm neutral in how to name it, but in the RPG Maker example, I prefer the "Games made with..." because with the alternative could be confusing as to whether it means "Games created with RPG Maker" or "Games in the RPG Maker series", since there's many iterations of the RPG Maker (series). Not the same with something like "Unity", which is not a series of video games too. Sergecross73 msg me 17:28, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── There are more categories than I originally thought (Category:Video games by game engine), many of which go along the lines of "<engine> games", meaning consistency is already there, so I'm fretful to nominate all of these articles just because there are one or two outliers but at the same time people here have suggested that "Games made with" is better. Anarchyte (work | talk)

I agree that we shouldn't change what works. I'm not a big fan of the "Unity (game engine) games" naming over "Unity engine games" but that's more minor. I do also agree though that with RPG Maker we need to distinguish careully, and that may be reason to use the exception to the naming approach there. --MASEM (t) 19:37, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Help[edit]

A user just move the game trilogy .hack//G.U. to its first title stating all three episodes will have their own articles. Still, the user didn't even create a new article and I doubt we have development information. I tried moving it back but Wikipedia doesn't allow me. Any ideas?Tintor2 (talk) 22:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Reverted. Opened a talk page discussion at the article. -- ferret (talk) 23:14, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Would a "List of video game-related legal cases" make sense?[edit]

After spending a bit of time breakout the ZeniMax v. Oculus lawsuit to its own article, I was thinking if there already existed a list of video game related lawsuits or if we should have one. Inclusion would require that there is a decent amount of discussion about the case on some page and not just pointing to court records, only so that list serves as an index to help readers find more details. So this would include things like the ZeniMax/Oculus case, Silicon Knights/Epic Games, 38 Studios, as well as Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Ass'c. Just looking to see if this is a good idea or not. --MASEM (t) 19:43, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

If not a list, then at least a category. -- ferret (talk) 19:52, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
I think its a good idea. There's Sega v. Accolade too. Sergecross73 msg me 20:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Maybe a cat that says "lawsuits" instead of "legal cases" so it can include articles that mention lawsuits but are not specifically a standalone article about a lawsuit?  · Salvidrim! ·  21:11, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure if a cat works, only because many of the legal actions/lawsuits aren't separate pages from either the principle company or the games involved (eg the legal case against 38 Studios is all on the dev page). With a list, we can pipe links so that we can spell out the name of the case even while linking to the more relevant section. Also, –we can at least put something like "dispute type" (IP, contractual, etc.) and a brief description and outcome. A cat for standalone articles specifically on cases would be fine. --MASEM (t) 21:18, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Suitable redirects can have categories though. Also another page that might be usable for this is Edge Games. 90% of which is about legal cases. -- ferret (talk) 21:21, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
That is true too. I'm just thinking though that as more examples are brought in, the list/cat combo makes a lot of sense, if the list is formatted in a useful way. For example, a section for "case law" for any case that was resolved at a US District Court or higher, or the equivalent elsewhere, to identify pertinent cases that affect legal aspects of video games, and then sections for other dispute types that may not be setting precedence but had sufficiently deep coverage ala ZeniMax/Oculus. (At least in terms of case law, I just did a quick check to validate that I can demonstrate secondary coverage of the topic as a whole). --MASEM (t) 21:28, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Oooh, Edge Games, blimey, that was a long summer :( - X201 (talk) 08:56, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
There is currently a category related to this topic, that contains many video game court cases: Category:Video game law. ~Mable (chat) 09:20, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
I don't see why not. Plenty of sources would have reported on the more notable cases, and there are enough out there to warrant an article like this. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:16, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Threre are also article for Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc. as well as Universal City Studios, Inc. v. Nintendo Co., Ltd., so there is defiantly enough cases to cover. We should also include Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Ass'n which ruled that video games were protected speech.--64.229.167.158 (talk) 04:13, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
I think at least a short referenced description of every case in this list would work. How would we order and organize such a list, though? I assume most are intellectual property-related, so we could make this a chronological list. For separate subjects, like cases related to sex and violence in video games, we could create separate sections. ~Mable (chat) 09:14, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Looking through this category, I almost start to wonder if we could create a separate list for video game bills, laws, and regulations, though I imagine there are technically too many to list, especially if we make it global. ~Mable (chat) 09:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
I've started User:Masem/List of video game related court cases in the United States which is obviously not all complete in terms of cases, but making sure that looks good. Note I'd expect to add one ref to each case for summary purposes. --MASEM (t) 16:57, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Does any reliable source discuss the cases as a group for WP:LISTN? Or is this a WP:SPLIT from a related "video game related legal cases" topic? —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 17:41, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
I came across two lawsuits in Mojang#lawsuits that have been covered by reliable sources, and may work well in the list. ~Mable (chat) 17:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Sonic CD reception section[edit]

Could I get some help on re-writing this section? The only good reception section I've ever wrote was for my current GAN, which is a pretty obscure game and thus did not have as much reviews. ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 00:06, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Sega Genesis - European launch[edit]

I've opened the discussion five days ago because after looking through the article, the paragraph about the European launch in the "Launch" section is not in accordance to the citation given there, and the European release date is unreferenced throughout the article. For anyone's attention, the discussion is at Talk:Sega Genesis#European launch. I might need some input for this. Thanks. – Hounder4 02:01, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Third party sales estimates in infobox[edit]

There is an RFC going on about this at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Xbox_One#RfC_about_the_inclusion_of_third_party_values_in_infobox - would love more input on it. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 18:54, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

New Articles (13 June to 23 June)[edit]

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Salavat (talk) 05:12, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Worth noting in Assassin's Creed: Revelations article[edit]

Assassin's Creed: Revelations - I don't see it anywhere in the article. It is worth noting that Revelations is the first game in the series that features two composers. Lorne Balfe composed the main theme, cutscenes and multiplayer while Jesper Kyd did the ambient and combat music. --Debeet (talk) 18:24, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Is it? Find reliable sources about the change, and add it to the article with citations to the sources you found.--IDVtalk 18:33, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
That is trivia. Who cares if it was the first to feature two composers? If no sources explicitly mentions that, it doesn't belong. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:36, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Highway 61 Interactive[edit]

I need a second opinion on this article idea. This was suggested at the Requests board. Its notable enough to have its own article but I'm not sure whether or not this is a video game. I don't know if I should use Template:Infobox video game or any other template for this. Thoughts? GamerPro64 21:21, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Removal of Distributor field from Template:Infobox video game[edit]

Discussion: Template talk:Infobox video game#Distributor. --The1337gamer (talk) 13:18, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Additional comments on Sonic the Hedgehog's FAC[edit]

Could I get some additional comments on my current FAC? It's been a while since the last comment. ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 10:20, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

SNES classic line-up announced[edit]

For those of you that like improving articles on older games, the line-up for the SNES classic was announced.[2] The system comes out September 29 and includes 21 games (including the previously unreleased Star Fox 2). I checked the articles and of the 21 games included: 2 are FAs, 10 are GAs, and 9 need improvement. I'm thinking of putting in some effort into the latter, and figured others may be interested as well. The 9 needing improvement are: Star Fox, Star Fox 2, Super Mario World, Street Fighter II′ Turbo: Hyper Fighting, Super Castlevania IV, Kirby Super Star, Kirby's Dream Course, Contra III: The Alien Wars, and Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts. TarkusAB 17:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Star Fox 2? That's going to be an odd one to handle, since it's the first official release of the game, so it has to belong in the infobox and such. All of the other games shouldn't mention it, since they are just emulated. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 18:01, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
    • I think it would be okay to mention their inclusions. Like the case with the Rare Replay games. Also I made a mock-up of the topic:
2 articles
Demoted article SNES Classic
Demoted article Contra III: The Alien Wars
Good article Donkey Kong Country
Good article EarthBound
Featured article Final Fantasy VI
Good article F-Zero
Demoted article Kirby Super Star
Demoted article Kirby's Dream Course
Good article The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Good article Mega Man X
Featured article Secret of Mana
Demoted article Star Fox
Demoted article Star Fox 2
Demoted article Street Fighter II′ Turbo: Hyper Fighting
Demoted article Super Castlevania IV
Demoted article Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts
Good article Super Mario Kart
Good article Super Mario RPG
Demoted article Super Mario World
Good article Super Metroid
Good article Super Punch-Out!!
Good article Yoshi's Island

GamerPro64 18:14, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Well technically for Star Fox 2, it's still emulation right? I think the SNES and NES classic machines were just running emulation software. They probably just dug up the old SNES ROM and made some modifications. I would argue the platform should be simply Super NES and release should say 2017 (via SNES mini) but I could see it going either way. Do we list it under List of Super Nintendo Entertainment System games? Very weird case with this one. TarkusAB 18:44, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
I'd be fine with that, but we'd need a larger consensus because it's bound to be a point of controversy. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:55, 26 June 2017 (UTC)