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Here are some tasks you can do to help with WikiProject Western Australia:

Vital articles: 100 Most Influential Western Australians is a possible starting point
Requested articles: Margaret Wylie • John Thomson (Australian businessman) • Tourism in Western Australia (see: Tourism in Sydney, Tourism in Melbourne, Tourism in Brisbane) • Clarence, Western Australia • Martyn Webb • Perth Metropolitan Markets • Energy in Western Australia • Nicholson, Western Australia • South Western Advertiser (see Trove page) • Robin Sarah Greenburg (see Crimenet page)
Seeking sources: William Harris (Australian civil rights leader) • Michael Kailis
Expansion needed: Busselton, Western Australia • David Parker • Economy of Western Australia • May Gibbs • Bill Hassell • May Holman • Barry MacKinnon • Ross McLarty • New Norcia, Western Australia • PGA • Pilbara historical timeline • Whadjuk • List of WA waterfalls • tourism sections needed in Western Australia • Thomas Hughes (Australian politician) - needs expansion from cultural sources
Requested images: Requested photographs in Western Australia • Requested photographs in Perth
Article cleanup: See Cleanup listing (related changes)
Popular pages: See Popular pages listing (related changes) – improvements to (or vandalism of) these articles will impact a larger number of readers
Assessment: See Unassessed WA articles and Unknown-importance WA articles
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Yellagonga, Mooro[edit]

Is/was Yellagonga a person or a group or both?

The article Yellagonga says he was a person, but the reference to "the Yellagonga" in Perth#Indigenous history implies a group. (See also my recent edit to that sentence, in case I got it wrong.)

History of Perth, Western Australia#Aboriginal history says "Boorloo formed part of Mooro, the tribal lands of Yellagonga, whose group was one of several based around the Swan River, known collectively as the Whadjug", ie Yellagonga was the leader, not the group. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:15, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Likewise was Mooro a group (per the article Mooro, and Yellagonga Regional Park), or a place (per Perth#Indigenous history and History of Perth, Western Australia#Aboriginal history) or both? Mitch Ames (talk) 13:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

the source used in Perth#Indigenous history states Yellowgonga himself is recorded as regarding the area north of the Swan River as his own to articles in one sentence referring to Yellagonga as a person, Gnangarra 06:14, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I've updated Perth#Indigenous history accordingly. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:19, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Hold on, this the problem of poor piecemeal changes. You asked a question I read the sourced used highlighted a single point which goes towards answering you question Is/was Yellagonga a person or a group or both? but the source itself doesnt necessarly support the construct and divisions of the areas nor naming of them as describe now in the section. Personally I thinks it s very poor source to use for an overview of the indigenous history of Perth area especially if look into the appeal to decisions taken and then why such a piece of legal documentation and it appeal are used implying that the Noongars relationship with the region has been dis-proven. Gnangarra 12:16, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

River drainage basins[edit]

Recent edits in the Tasmanian project has seen a new template relating to rivers and where they drain Template:Rivers_of_Tasmania

In 2012 there was a discussion about drainage divisions or systems here in WA - Template_talk:Rivers_of_Western_Australia it went nowhere

and we are left with Template:Rivers of Western Australia

As there is the possibility of arbitrary or external editing on our rather region/division free created template, do any eds who read here have any opinions as to whether we have a specific WA project decision as to which system we align to before some bold editor from outside proceeds to create a drainage system that does not relate to how the average western australian editor can understand our rather complex and large range of rivers? JarrahTree 15:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

I can't say I have strong opinions on the categorisation of rivers and have been happy to let the river nerds do their thing, but if other WA people would rather keep it as it is I'd support that too. The Drover's Wife (talk) 15:40, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Nothing to do with river nerds - the issue ties in with a complex array of categories relating to how the regions of western australia are identified and how they are represented in the project over-all. Vast lists we have in relation to pastoral leases, islands and so on, and a range of editors who are not necessarily nerds of any sort, have tried in time to specifically organise information to make it relatively accessible for the reader of the encyclopedia that this is - if you look to see the improvements on the Tasmanian project in the last month, you will understand what I mean by accessibility, the improved templates and organisation of the project, has come an astonishing long way from what it was a year ago.

Likewise, here in Western Australia, some range of topics, templates or categories do need a 'division' between either regions - created by government, or natural geographic divisions, as the sheer volume is difficult to wade through. In other words, I do not believe it is the perogative of the group of editors who might (or not) respond. it is much more a case of where any editor of any interest might be able to offer a positive or negative response to tie in means of dividing a large number of features, rivers or whatever. Hope that explains.JarrahTree 07:36, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Copyright Violation Detection - EranBot Project[edit]

A new copy-paste detection bot is now in general use on English Wikipedia. Come check it out at the EranBot reporting page. This bot utilizes the Turnitin software (ithenticate), unlike User:CorenSearchBot that relies on a web search API from Yahoo. It checks individual edits rather than just new articles. Please take 15 seconds to visit the EranBot reporting page and check a few of the flagged concerns. Comments welcome regarding potential improvements. These likely copyright violations can be searched by WikiProject categories. Use "control-f" to jump to your area of interest (if such a copyvio is present).--Lucas559 (talk) 16:22, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikiconference Australia 2015 cancelled[edit]

Folks, just letting you know we will not be proceeding with Wikiconference Australia 2015 originally proposed for 3-5 October 2015. Thanks to those of you who expressed your support. You are free to attend the football finals instead :-) Kerry (talk) 08:14, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Meetup reminder[edit]

The next Perth meetup is on this Saturday 18 July 2015; details at Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/20 - Evad37 [talk] 12:43, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Train services in WA towns - to much information[edit]

I feel that these recent edits [1][2] by Mvpo666 contain too much detailed information about the services (e.g. exactly which days of the week services run) and are contrary to WP:NOTDIRECTORY - even for an article about a railway station. A quick look at Mvpo666's contributions shows many more similar edits.

Can I have other editors' opinions on the matter please. Mitch Ames (talk) 07:39, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

The edits are expressed very badly with little understanding of what constitutes clear explanation, the reading from timetables that might be current and can be changed at short notice, as a consequence, due to the potential fluidity of the operations, is not encyclopdiac in the way that it has been expressed, and the potential to be dated information within a short duration of time. I have a different opinion about TMI (Too much information) on such items, but in this case do agree with Mitch in current form it is, but if edited, can be reduced to services, not the specific days, and I then consider it ok. JarrahTree 09:20, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Considering the area of interest, what are the odds that it's he-of-ten-million-sockpuppets anyway? I don't have a problem with mentioning how many days a week it runs (and think that's probably important), but once it gets down to how often and which days it gets a bit too open to change without us noticing, especially in an article on a small rural town. The Drover's Wife (talk) 10:16, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Mvpo666 is listed as a suspected sockpuppet at WP:Sockpuppet investigations/D47817#24 July 2015. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:16, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Checkuser says they are unrelated, the investigation was closed. [3]. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
puppets with nouse can change ips so that checkuser cannot prove adequately that they are linked JarrahTree 12:37, 27 July 2015 (UTC) </close>
My thoughts exactly. Someone that ridiculously dedicated to sockpuppeting is easily capable of changing up their IP, and the succession of similar accounts across Australian railways post the original ban suggests to me that he hasn't gone anywhere. The Drover's Wife (talk) 12:49, 27 July 2015 (UTC)