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Forgive me for not noticing/asking this sooner, but I see that the RickK antivandalism barnstar is now simply the anti vandalism barnstar. If you do not mind my asking, when did this occur, and why? TomStar81 (Talk) 03:12, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

The RickK barnstar still exists, but Template:The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar seems to have been created way back in 2007 "as an alternative". It seems to have been changed on WP:STAR as a result of this discussion. I think there would be no harm in adding a link to the RickK barnstar in the anti vandalism star's description. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 03:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
The essence of the discussion was that there was no longer any sentiment for naming a Barnstar after an individual. One editor had wanted to rename the RickK AV BSTar after our current number one vandal fighter, and in the end the consensus was to remove any personal references in BStar names. Unschool 04:36, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
We put notifications of the discussion on the talk pages of the CVU, the RCP and the Vandalism Studies Project to solicit comments from vandalism fighters, but I don't think anyone showed up. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
What does everyone think about adding something like "Also see the RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar and the CVU Anti-Vandalism Award" under the description of the anti vandalism star? All three are awarded for the same thing, and editors can chose which one they want. Funnily enough, CVU does not list the anti vandalism barnstar as one of their awards. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 14:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Well that explains alot. I missed the discussion because I don't have much occasion to monitor either of three pages where the notes were left. I would agree with the leaving a link to both the RickK version and non-RickK version, since this allows editors a chance to choose which version they prefer. TomStar81 (Talk) 15:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I was wondering what happened.Abce2|Aww nuts!Wribbit!(Sign here) 17:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Personally, I don't think we should have such a link. I can understand leaving the templates intact for those old-timers who still want to use them for whatever reason, but the reasons we came to a consensus to rename it as simply the "Anti-Vandalism Barnstar" were valid, and I see no reason to provide a link to the outdated version. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm with Nutik on this, on all his points. Unschool 12:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Agree. Those old users know where to find it anyway and new users looking in the list will only be confused as to the reason for the name. Regards SoWhy 12:27, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Toy barnstar name change?

What about changing it to toy and game barnstar?Abce2|From the top now!Arggggg! 00:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why not. --[midnight comet] [talk] 01:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
If consensus agrees, I make a new one. Heck, I'll just start right now.Abce2|From the top now!Arggggg! 03:43, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
What about this?
Toy star4.png
Abce2|From the top now!Arggggg! 04:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm fine with the name change, but I really think we don't need to change the image. As much as I like the stately d10, it doesn't really add much to the star. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Nutiketaiel, I don't think there's a need to change the image. But I'm fine with changing the barnstar name. Also, if you use plurals, I think it comes out better; Toys and Games Barnstar vs. Toy and Game Barnstar. - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Kingpin is right, go with the plurals. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:11, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Actually i never liked the image for this barnstar : I'm not a regular of WP:Awards and each time I stumble upon this barnstar, i'm under the impression that it's about the Great Britain, soldiers, or an historical war. It isn't obvious for me right away that's it's actually a toy soldier. I would like something that makes it clearer, something that you know right away that's it a toy...could be a replica of a real object but with bright colors/smooth edges that makes it clear it's a toy (which is IMHO not the case with this soldier). A chesspiece, a bathroom duck, or a 6-sided die (as much as i like my exotic dice and my D20 collection, theses aren't known by most people, stick with 6sided is better) are others possibilities. Ksempac (talk) 20:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I couldn't find any other dice pics that didn't have a white background behind them.Abce2|From the top now!Arggggg! 21:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I read Nutik & Kingpin's comments and agree with what they say about the name and the image. But then I read Ksempac's comment about the image, and I see the issue. For me, it's good enough to keep it as it is, but I would be open to looking at other "toy" barnstar images. Unschool 00:43, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Stub Barnstar

i looked and i didnt see one of these so im proposing it im bad at images so im just gonna show a template example

The Stub-Class Barnstar}}}
{{This Barnstar Goes to Usernamehere For Going the extra mile in improving Stub-Class Articles with sources new info cleanup or anything that would be good to get a stub-class Article alest promoted to c-class or higher


what do ya think? BigPadresDUDE (talk) 01:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary, since we already have many barnstars related to the improvement of articles in general. Getting an article up to C-Class doesn't really seem like something we need a barnstar for. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:32, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Agree with Nutik. Unschool 00:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Improved kindness campaign award section

Edit here

I made the four kindness campaigns images into the same sort of order as barnstars now have.

I created three new templates to make this possible.

I also found this page: User:Guitarmankev1/Example_Templates/Barnstars#Peace_and_Brotherhood

Ikip (talk) 18:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I like :). Much nicer like this - Kingpin13 (talk) 18:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Kingpin13, I always worry how my bold edits will be received. I guess I shouldn't have been as worried, this being the kindness campaign and all.
While I was doing this all, I farcically imagined an edit war with an editor over these changes, LOL, an edit war on the kindness page would be a great contender for the WP:LAME page.
I finished the entire page creating 4 more new templates:
Existing templates:
Ikip (talk) 20:05, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Zoroastrianism Barnstar

Zoroastrianism Barnstar.png The Zoroastrianism Barnstar


I created Template:Zoroastrianism Barnstar per a request and added it to the list. Then I realized it should probably be discussed first, so I undid my addition. :) Feel free to add it to the list, or not, either is fine by me. --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:32, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Looks fine to me, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 14:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Looks good to me, too. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Yuh, good design - Kingpin13 (talk) 18:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Very well done. Consider it official. Unschool 03:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks guys. --ThaddeusB (talk) 12:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Past discussions

Guys, we have some past discussions up there that need to be closed and proposed barnstars that need to be added. Anyone interested in doing this? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 13:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Like which ones? Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
There's quite a lot. Also it seems our archive bot has stopped. I'll try and fix the config once we are satisfied the threads are closed. Chamal, if you want to, please upload the new Buddha barnstar over the top of the old one, there's not enough links to make it worth keeping in somewhere other than the file history, IMO. - Kingpin13 (talk) 14:38, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I had fixed the config of the archive-a-majigger before Chamal made this post. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:04, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Oh good. Also, I had a look at the discussions, but most of them (excluding the linguistic, which no one can change properly except the original up-loader, the buddhist, which I'd do, only Chamal deserves the "honour" :), and the NPOV barnstar, which no one can fix) are either already added, or not going to be. - Kingpin13 (talk) 18:31, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
So I'm guessing there's not much hope for a WikiProject Orphanage barnstar? -- œ 23:06, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Patience, mon ami. Just keep nudging. Keep gently reminding, and it may yet happen. Unschool 05:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I was kinda talking about the top half of this page (the threads which are older than 30 days, and therefor should be archived soon). - Kingpin13 (talk) 05:33, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, from the look of the page, I thought there were quite a few :P I have added the Buddhism star, but if anyone thinks that is inappropriate since I have a COI there, please feel free to raise the issue. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Wow, that was one hell of an archive. We were way overdue. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:46, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed Image Barnstar

I'm bringing this barnstar to the talk page for discussion. It's an interesting idea, and (at first glance) an attractive design, but I'm not sold on it. For one thing, we already have The Photographer's Barnstar, The SVG Barnstar, The Commons Ambassador Barnstar, and The Graphic Designer's Barnstar. I kinda think its likely that one of those will cover most "image-related" topics that would need a barnstar.

Secondly, I object to the design. Look at it close, and you will see the words, "selected picture of the month". This clearly belongs in a more specific place than "General Barnstars". Image barnstar.jpg I'm moving it off of WP:BS unless the other project members feel that it should be returned in its current state. Unschool 01:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't really feel a need for this Barnstar at all. Have you left a message for its creator? Perhaps he can tell us what he had in mind and why it is needed. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Agree with Unschool. I too don't see a need for this. Might be more appropriate as a WP:PUA. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 14:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Nutik, I sure hope you get more in your stocking at Christmas than I do, because I completely forgot to notify him (though I left a wonderful edit summary at WP:BARNSTAR with the assumption that he would check back.) Anyway, I've now rectified my oversight. Thanks for looking over my shoulder. Unschool 03:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I didn't know that there was a "photographer's barnstar". Actually, I suggest changing the star of the "photographer's" barnstar with some sort of picturish barnstar or one that has been "photographed". --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions) 10:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
No problem, Unschool. That's why they pay me the big bucks.  ;-) Tyw7, I rather like the current Photographer's Barnstar- I think it's very appropriate looking with the shutter, and well designed. Why do you think it needs to be changed, and what specifically would you suggest changing about it? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Are you a photographer? And I must have over looked the "barnstar". :-) --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions) 16:51, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
No, I am not a photographer. Is that relevant? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I think Tyw7 thought you were a photographer when you said you were payed "the big bucks" :) But I also think the current photographer's barnstar is good and gets the idea across very well. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Then what does "they pay me the big bucks" REALLY mean? --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions) 00:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
LOL, it's just an expression (with a little sarcasm). Unschool was thanking me for reminding him to invite you to the conversation. I replied that things like that are "why I get paid the big bucks." It's funny because, of course, I don't get paid at all. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Deleter's Barnstar

Here's an idea. What about a barnstar for people who do great work in deleting pages. Abce2|This isnot a test 04:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, since not everyone can delete articles, I guess that would look like this:
Admin Barnstar.png The Admin's Barnstar
For deleting pages that needed to be deleted, and not those that did not need to be deleted, I present Abce2 with this Admin's Barnstar. Unschool 04:40, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Just saying, the admin's barnstar kind of goes around deleting. Let me double check.Abce2|This isnot a test 04:48, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Wouldn't the "Main Page barnstar" fall into the admin star category too? And deletion is a huge part of the Wikipedia behind the scenes.Abce2|This isnot a test 04:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
By my count, the Main Page BStar has only been awarded six times; four of those were clearly for non-administor functions, and the other two were not for sysop work, but for programming the main page itself. And, to tell you the truth, I think the MP BS is a pretty lousy idea for a BStar. I don't believe in BStars that do not have a high likelihood of being used for a large number of editors. Too much specialization in BStars is already a (very minor) problem, IMHO. Unschool 05:15, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
By the way, that criticism is not directed at your Deletion BStar; your proposal at least has the merits of being on general interest. My point is just to ask the question, "isn't this already covered?"Unschool 05:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Of course, there is a Barnstar (two actually, and unfortunately) for saving articles from deletion, so maybe this would add balance. I don't know. I'm going to shut up and see what others have to say about it. Unschool 05:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
What criticism? I guess I should have looked at the Main Page star a little more. Let's wait and see what others think. Also I've got a low battery, so this is my last post.Abce2|This isnot a test 05:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
More often than not, an admin deletes pages per a request made by someone else (CSD/PROD) or as the result of a discussion. All he then has to do is click a button. That doesn't strike me as something that needs recognition. But maybe I'm missing something here; Abce2 did you have something else in mind? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 09:58, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
If an admin does plenty of good work in areas of deletion, like CSD or PROD, the admin's barnstar is actually designed to be rewarded in those cases (I made it, so I should know ;-)). I got it awarded myself for that once even. If you want to honor someone for doing complex AFD closures, {{The Barnstar of Diligence}} can be used as well imho. But I see no need for a BS awarded for deletion per se, deletion is not something special (in fact, we should try to avoid it wherever possible) but cleaning up and that's what the admins' job is after all. For the same reason we have no special "Block Barnstar" or "Protection Barnstar". Those are simply two more aspects of adminship and thus already covered by the existing BSs. Regards SoWhy 10:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Excellent comments all around, SoWhy. So often editors are looking for such a specific barnstar, that they ignore the intent of the ones that have already been created. I'm waiting for someone to create the "Copyediting Articles about Non-Venomous Snakes that have been Submitted as Featured Article Candidates Barnstar". instead of just using the The Reptile Barnstar. Unschool 01:05, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes, nicely explained. The recognition in that case is for good judgment and not for using the delete button :) ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 06:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm confused

Why do we have barnstars for all the religons? Why not a religon barnstar or something? Abce2|TalkSign 05:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

There are a lot of articles related to any specific religion; the scope of the topic is very wide and almost every religion has its own wikiproject. It's possible that an editor will contribute significantly to articles relating to one religion, so a specific barnstar will be better for that I think. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 05:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Also I have no doubt that there are cases where adherents of religion X would reject an award which could also be received by adherents of religion Y. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Do we care? Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Stub Barnstar

after getting a image i Boldy Added my idea to the list

Stub Barnstar.png The Stub Barnstar

Hey, who the heck is proposing this? Face-confused.svg ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 05:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
OK, I should have checked. Idea is from User:BigPadresDUDE [1]. Anyway, your previous suggestion did not get any positive responses so your addition of this to WP:BS was a little over-bold. I too agree with Nutiketaiel's comment here. There are other awards that could be awarded for good article development and I don't really see a need for this. Getting a stub class article to C is not really a "big deal" deal either (it certainly helps in improving the content here, but this is something that is quite common) to have its own award IMHO. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 06:10, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

sorry i didnt sign but it would be a waste to waste this prefectly good image so i am now proposing like a good article creation barnstar or something like that tell and the image would go great with it if there is a barnstar already like this tell me i have a ton of barnstar ideas and im looking to be a good contribuator would you also Review me at Wikipedia:Editor review/BigPadresDUDE? thanks BigPadresDude 03:01, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry but we have already have a ton of barnstars for content contributions. Here are some examples, but there are more:
You can create a personal user award with your image if you like. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 03:27, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Chamal that a personal user award would probably be the best bet. The image is decent looking, but there's no category I can see it fitting for that we don't already have a Barnstar for. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps it could be awarded for creating a stub on a difficult subject? Or maybe as someone's first barnstar for creating their first stub? I like the image...hate to see it go to waste.Smallman12q (talk) 21:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it is appropriate to give a Barnstar just for creating a stub. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
You're right...but it could awarded to stub makers who create a lot of stubs.Smallman12q (talk) 14:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia Gold Watch of Retirement

Sometimes editors who have made substantial contributions to Wikipedia retire. Whatever the reason for the retirement, it would be nice to say thanks and recognise their contribution:

Wikiretirementgoldwatch.png Wikipedia Gold Watch of Retirement
!! Happy Retirement Retiree's Name !!
I would like to say on behalf of myself and the other editors of Wikipedia/project that we are really sorry to hear that you are retiring from Wikipedia. However, we also really glad you joined in the first place. Thank you for your contribution to making Wikipedia the best factual-based resource on the internet. In recognition of your service you are presented with the Wikipedia Gold Watch of Retirement. We hope to see you back here soon, either as a visitor or back with the odd edit or two.


Anyone else have any ideas or would like to make an improvement?

- Quantockgoblin (talk) 20:43, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

This doesn't sit well with me. I know we all have the Right to Vanish, but this award seems to actively encourage it. Additionally, it seems incongruous to give an individual an award for leaving the project. I am strongly opposed to adding this as a Barnstar. If it needs to exist at all, it should be a personal user award. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:53, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict) While I like the idea of telling someone retiring how much their edits were valued, I personally would think a non-templated message will be much more appreciated than a "award" like that. That's only my opinion though; oh and I like the image :-) Regards SoWhy 13:55, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your messages.
Nutiketaiel, the proposed award it is not a reward for leaving but for service to Wikipedia, editing on Wikipedia is not a task/duty/burden, it is a gift of time and effort made by that editor. In my opinion when an editor has made very many high quality edits, I think that effort should be recognise and acknowledged when they leave. I don't think anyone will leave Wikipedia simply on the hope of this award [it's not real gold :-D  !!], if a person only cares for awards then leaving Wikipedia is the only sure way to get no more. Anyone that foolish is unlikely to command the respect needed to acquire such an award anyway. I suspect Wikipedia has very many years left to run (hopefully forever), and in that time a great many of it editors will eventually retire (even perhaps yourself) - why not say thanks and recognise their contribution.
SoWhy, I agree that in life personal messages are always best, however, there is no reason why a personal message can not be added to the award by the giver. I also think that whilst we all like to hear kind words, we also like to get a card or a present to go with it, after all, aren't all barn stars just a way to show that the giver went to that little bit of extra effort to show that the receiver was appreciated! I'm glad you like the image! - Quantockgoblin (talk) 16:07, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I like the image, but suggest we drop the retirement bit, not least because retirement has so often been a revolving door on t'wiki. But in the future we will need a ten year award at Wikipedia:Service awards - the current highest award is only 5 years and 40,000 edits. I suggest the gold watch could be used there, but perhaps call it chronologist rather than mention the R word. ϢereSpielChequers 16:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. I was wondering what they might put after the eye burning star.Abce2|This isnot a test 03:50, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed Linguistic Barnstar

User:Rjanag would like to add the Linguistic barnstar to the topical barnstars. Submitting here for discussion. Is it needed? Is the design appropriate or desireable? Unschool 13:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
The Linguistic Barnstar The Linguistic Barnstar The Linguistic Barnstar may be awarded to those who make outstanding contributions to linguistics- and language-related articles and templates.

  • This design requires some changes since the text is not clear, but the Chinese word on the bottom right corner means 'characters', which is thebasic building block of Chinese words. I therefore think that this barnstar is fairly appropiate. Kayau (talk) 13:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
  • I suppose changing it to somehow make the text more legible couldn't hurt, but I see nothing wrong with the design as it currently stands. I like it. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Nice enough desgin. I suggest placing borders around the letters, I'd do it myself only I don't have a high res picture. - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
  • I think we're seeing a trend here. The text is simply difficult to read. I support having this barnstar, but it needs to be clear what is on it. Kingpin's idea sounds like a major improvement, if someone is able to do it. (I sure can't—on the Graphics Capabilities Continuum, User:Rectilinium is at one end, and I'm at the opposite end.) Unschool 14:03, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
  • It's a nice idea, but it's not yet ready for prime time due to poor graphic design. —Eustress talk 14:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Aw, come on guys, let's get serious here. Not everybody is a great graphic designer, and I don't think we should be rejecting a barnstar just because it doesn't look perfect. It looks pretty good, better than some, it clearly gets across what it is supposed to represent, and it is a topic we don't have a barnstar for yet. If someone later wants to sweep in and put borders around the letters to make them more distinct, that would be great, but in the meantime I don't think we should reject it just because the design isn't perfect. Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
  • I agree with Nutiketaiel. I'm sure this was a lot of work, and it looks pretty good. The characters could be made more visible, but let's get the barnstar out there and worry about the minor cosmetic issues later. --JBC3 (talk) 16:09, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I have to disagree. All I can see is a regular Barnstar with some marks. I looked at this several times before I realized that the Latin alphabet "Aa" was in the middle, and that's the easiest part to read. And it looks like there's some kind of tail on the lower case, but I can't be sure if that's part of the character or just left over from the barnstar's shadow. I think it's worth correcting first. Unschool 21:52, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Unschool. I think that perhaps some phonetic symbols or whatnot should replace some of the corners, or else the fact that it's a 'linguistic' barnstar may be not understandable when you don't look at the title. Kayau (talk) 00:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
  • I didn't design this image, I just found it on Commons (thanks to Ling.Nut) and took advantage of it. I did leave comments at the commons talk page (commons:File talk:Linguistic Barnstar.png) with suggestions on how to improve it content-wise, and it looks like many of you have said the same thing. As for graphics/quality, I'm sure we can send it to GL/I after the content issues are decided on. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 12:31, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
    • btw, in response to Kingpin's suggestion to place borders around the characters...I think we could accomplish the same thing, with less clutter, by just making the characters white, or by keeping them black and making the barnstar light-colored. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 12:35, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I object. Making them white makes some parts blend in the background. And making the barnstar lighter makes the star shape less visible. I support the borders. Kayau (talk) 08:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, borders seem to be the most viable choice. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
No one in this discussion seems to have thought of it, but it would significantly more aesthetically pleasing if the characters were just rotated 36° (i.e., into the whitespaces). There is no reason to assume the characters need to be superimposed over the barnstar, from a low-res (with colours) graphic design standpoint it's a bit of a nightmare—there is no way to make it really work that way. The characters would have perfect contrast and balance if they were just put into the whitespace (plus the one character needs to be made bolder for consistency with the rest). Peace and Passion ("I'm listening....") 02:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
PS Plus then there would be no issue with that Japanese character, which is supposed to appear to have a "cross-bar" on the top, but it's invisible due to the shading of the star.
Hmph. Why didn't I think of that? Peace and Passion's idea sounds good to me. Anyone able to implement it? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Poke Poke. Hey. HEY. HEY!!! This discussion isn't done yet! Somebody who knows how to fix images, get your butt back here and implement Peace and Passion's suggestion please. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:04, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Sock Puppet Barnstar Redux

The previous discussion kind of puttered out a few months ago with no consensus, so I would like to bring it up again. I resubmit the below barnstar for consideration:

A Barnstar!
The Sock Puppet Jailer Barnstar

I hereby award this Barnstar to some guy for his excellent and consistent work in exposing and curtailing the use of sock puppets on Wikipedia, especially on this heavily vandalized page. Keep up the great work! Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I know it's pretty simplistic owing to my lousy image making skills, but you get the idea. I think it is a decent Barnstar that is awarded for an important Wiki-Public Service, namely locking up those stinky unauthorized sock puppets. Thoughts? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Again, support. Would it be possible to make the bars look more metallic? Or just add a gradient? I'll look into it myself if I get the time - Kingpin13 (talk) 12:36, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I've created one with gradient bars, see File:Puppet Star Gradient Bars.png. If you want me to make changes (e.g. in the spacing of the bars, or their size etc.), feel free to ask, or have a shot at it yourself. I also made the background transparent. - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:05, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure what "gradient" means in this context (I thought it meant the rate of incline or decline on a hill), but your bars do look better than mine. They seem a little too thick, though, which makes it a little hard to see Socko. Maybe if they were just a tad thinner? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Done. If it's not enough let me know :). As to what I mean by "gradient", I'm referring to image gradient :). - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:33, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Nah, I think it looks great like that. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:10, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Ugh. (Sorry.) Unschool 00:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, that was constructive. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Meh. Unschool 00:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 :-P Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

So... anybody else? I guess this is what I get for letting the discussion degenerate to the sticking out of tongues. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:06, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Micronations Barnstar

Here is my proposed Micronations Barnstar (it needs some work) Micronations Barnstar.PNG —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coldplay Expert (talkcontribs) 01:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Uhh, not to showcase my ignorance, but who is that guy in the Barnstar? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:23, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
It looks a little like Archduke Franz Ferdinand, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 14:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Its Emperor Joushua Norton The Emperor of the United States and Protetor of Mexico He is one of the most important figures in micronationalism.--Coldplay Expert (talk) 16:00, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you should make an article about him. I would, but I know nothing about the subject. I don't even know what Micronationalism is, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 17:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

there is already, I just spelled it worng or something. But micronationalism is somethoing that I made up (it might be a real word though) see Micronations.--Coldplay Expert (talk) 17:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

OK, first off, Emperor Norton has nothing to do with Micronations. Emperor Norton was a resident of San Francisco of questionable sanity who claimed to be the Emperor of the United States. A Micronation is a person or small group claiming an area to be a sovereign state without external recognition, like the Conch Republic down in Key West. I would be OK in principle with a Barnstar for individuals who make outstanding contributions to micronation articles, but you need a new picture for it. Emperor Norton doesn't cover it (now, if you wanted a Barnstar on Discordianism...). Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah but dont you know that most micronations celebrate the day he died?--Coldplay Expert (talk) 22:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh so they are happy about it? :P Anyway, is this really necessary? The scope of this seems very narrow to me, and whether something is a micronation or not is also debatable AFAIK (like that internet based one) which makes the scope a bit obscure. I also think it's unlikely that someone will be contributing entirely to such articles to deserve a specific barnstar for micronations. So could you explain the need for this? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 03:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I feel bad about saying this, but there isn't really much need for one. Unless there is a WikiProject Micronations (I believe there is), in which case you might want to take it up there. BTW, that article about Emperor Norton is the best article I have ever read on WP. A bit like me declaring myself "Lord" Spongefrog, and insisting on being called that (which I do and have done for some days), Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 20:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Alright. And by the way, its crappy because I made it on paint. If there ever is a barnstar for Wikipedia:WikiProject Micronations it doesnt have to be this one. I just thought that it was a good idea.--Coldplay Expert (talk) 23:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

What's wrong with Paint? I made all my Barnstars in Paint. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:58, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
It's like using IE instead of Firefox Face-wink.svg ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
You mean it is slightly less convenient, but can still do all the same things and has essentially the same functionality? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Firefox is horrible :P. @Nutiketaiel While MS Paint is fine for most things, it does lack layers/transparency/filters etc., I'd suggest downloading Paint .NET, if you get used to it, you'll never want to use paint again :D. But as you say, there is nothing wrong with using Paint if one wants to, and (as you've proven) you can make good barnstars in it :D. - Kingpin13 (talk) 12:26, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Firefox - Good; Internet Explorer - oGod :D @Nutiketaiel: yeah, that's it. After a lot of cursing and abusing the computer, the job is finally done :) ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:32, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Well since my attempt was an utter failure will anyone else make an attempt?--Coldplay Expert 21:34, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposal: Service awards

In the service awards, you can have the award as a ribbon, a userbox, or other presentations, my I dea was to merge all characteristics of those 'award versions' into a barnstar-type award (for those who prefer to have it as a barnstar). Here´s a sample prototype (for one of the ranks):

Little red wikipedia book.jpg Grognardribbon.jpg - Service Rank-A1
This editor is a Journeyman Editor, and is entitled to display this Service Badge and the Wikipedia Little Red Book.
Editor - bronze ribbon - 1 pip.jpg

This sample is not finished yet, I still have to complete some things, but the main feature is that it´ll be a single barnstar for all ranks, shifting between the indicate one. - Damërung . -- 19:42, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps this is an naive question, but when you say "shifting between the indicate one" do you mean that this userbox will auto-update the award once you cross over into the next award level i.e. when you make the 1000th edit, the badge will update from novice white to apprentice blue?? - Quantockgoblin (talk) 12:27, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Both that and the manual input (like when you specify a value in a template after a pipe mark), but I´m still working on it (both are possible). - Damërung . -- 14:10, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Request for new barnstar for WikiProject Orphanage

Can someone kindly design a simple little barnstar for WP:WikiProject Orphanage? This project could really use one but my artistic/graphical skills are sorely lacking. :) I don't have any ideas on what kind of image to use, but I will gladly reward with their own barnstar anyone who can come up with something. Thank you! :D -- œ 01:15, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Just so everyone understands what OlEnglish wants here, the Orphanage is where they work on getting orphaned articles connected to other articles. Nothing to do with real orphanages, though the metaphor might be helpful in coming up with an image. What about—arrghhh, nevermind. I'm as creative as a stone. Unschool 01:25, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Hehe I know! It's hard isn't it? I looked up "orphanage" on Commons but all I found was images of ugly buildings. Maybe something to do with a web or a tree.. since our goal is to build the web. -- œ 23:12, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
You need to look up "Orphan"... I still haven't found something which I think I could work with. - Kingpin13 (talk) 09:16, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
What about a picture of (or related to) good ol' Orphan Annie? – B.hoteptalk• 09:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Or maybe Oliver Twist? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
What about Bruce Wayne? He's an orphan (although not famous for being one). No? Sorry, I'm just obsessed with Batman, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 14:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Nah, stick with Oliver Twist, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 14:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm sure there will be some Tolkien inspired artwork with appropriate copyright (he and his wife were both orphans as were Frodo, Aragorn and some of his other characters). As someone who's de-orphaned a few articles myself I would have thought that images of searching, weaving things into a pattern or a Blacksmith creating chains would be more relevant than Oliver Twist asking for more gruel. ϢereSpielChequers 15:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Oh, that sort of orphan. Well, I think the bit about chain links is a good idea. I think we should do something along those lines, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 17:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
How are chains relevant? Are you suggesting we keep the orphaned articles chained up in the basement of the orphanage? Chequers, you're cruel! Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes I am, but I also think that de-orphaning is about linking articles into the wiki - hence the chain analogy. Of course if someone has a pd image of Madonna in africa... ϢereSpielChequers 12:37, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Here are some suggestions, probably not very good, but I'm posting for some reason.

  • WereSpielChequers's idea made me think that a picture of a helping hand (like that logo of some humanitarian organization that I can't remember the name of, or like the Nokia hands logo). But then that looks a bit too close to article rescue.
  • Idea 2 is a barnstar being created, to signify building the connections between article or "building the web". Maybe something like a puzzle or toy blocks, the pieces coming together.

So... epic failz? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:58, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

No, not an epic fail. I think idea 2 sounds great, I just can't think of how to design it. Maybe a spider's web? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:16, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I also like idea 2. How bout a graphic looking something like those visual representations you see of the Internet, where everything is interconnected in a web-like fashion, but with one node (or article) separate (orphaned) from the rest and it's arms outstretched reaching out wanting to join the group? <shrug> -- œ 23:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Oh and also, maybe I could use the same logo in {{welcome de-orphaner}} to replace that house pic. -- œ 23:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Damn... it's not easy as it sounded when I suggested it. I can't imagine how to effectively give give the impression that it's "being made". ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:06, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Maybe leave one line of it half-finished, to give the impression that it is in progress? What do you have so far? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Wait, we're overlooking something obvious here! If you're trying to make an image of a Barnstar half finished that is in progress, as per your suggestion 2 above, we have one! Scroll down- that suggested stub barnstar that the author has been trying to find a use for! Why not use that? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:25, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that might just work. I was actually trying to design something that showed both the incompleteness and the linking together, but I'm not getting anywhere with that right now. What do you think OlEnglish? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:29, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
It's something.. I think it might just work.. I'm picturing the half-barnstar, but with the outline of the star being made of chainlinks. -- œ 19:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

You can imagine how surprised I was to discover the members of another WikiProject having this same discussion! Wikipedia:WikiProject Adoption, fostering, orphan care and displacement#Image. lol! Out of those, File:Adoption.jpg and File:OpenRecords our SML3.png look like something you guys can work from.. It appears they've chosen the Anne of Green Gables image for their project so I don't think they'd mind if we use some of their other proposals. -- œ 03:35, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Those are the images they are considering? Wow, they must be even more hard up for ideas than we are. Regardless, we should probably avoid whichever image they pick, as this award is supposed to be about wiki-adoption, and they are a wikiproject dealing with articles about actual adoption- we don't want to get them confused. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:29, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Purple Heart Award

Given to a fellow wikipedian who was wounded in the front lines of the bureaucratic battle.

I'm aware there's a Purple Barnstar Award...but shouldn't it be a Purple Heart award? I'd like to propose this picture.Smallman12q (talk) 15:51, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps you could give us an example? I don't get it. Unschool 04:35, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes, what would this be awarded for? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:45, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
To wounded wikipedians..."I, Smallman12q, hereby award you with a purple heart for being wrongly banned as a meatpuppet." It's similar to the purple barnstar...but its a heart instead.Smallman12q (talk) 21:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Why do we need it? What's wrong with the Purple Barnstar? Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:56, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Well I thought it really should be a purple heart...not a purple star...Smallman12q (talk) 23:09, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Why? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:11, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Nutiketaiel, I presume Smallman12q likes the idea that the award should look closer to the US military decoration (i.e. Purple heart) -- Quantockgoblin (talk) 10:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I get that, but... why? What's wrong with a Barnstar? It's looks closer to Wikipedia decorations. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:26, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I think I get it: While the purple hearth barnstar is given to users afected by vandalism, this one could be given to users affected by such things as personal attacks, rudeness by other editors/bureaucrats or similar things. I think it´s a good idea. - Damërung . -- 14:21, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Wordsmith's Barnstar

Wordsmith's barnstar.png The Wordsmith's Barnstar

I have not found any evidence of a barnstar solely dedicated to exceptional pieces of writing so I created this. Let me know what you think.

Regards, Gaelen S.Talk Contribs 06:42, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


  • I like the image, very nice. I do not think it's needed though. The {{CCBarnstar}} is to honor people's content work and so is {{The Editor's Barnstar}} (and, of course, so is the original barnstar). So do you think your proposal fits a niche that those barnstars do not cover? Regards SoWhy 07:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
  • That's what I thought too. Content writing is extensively covered by a number of barnstars ({{The Writer's Barnstar}} and {{The Copyeditor's Barnstar}} for example, in addition to the ones given by SoWhy). It is a very good image, but we can't create a barnstar just because of that; we need a good reason. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 07:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure how this works, but why not have this as an alternative image for the same award (e.g. for service awards there a medals, books, ribbons, studs etc). It also looks a little "middle ages", perhaps there is a project along that lines that would be interested - Quantockgoblin (talk) 08:17, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Main reason why I created this barnstar is because all of the others that you named seemed to be a little general. I thought this one would clarify that it was being awarded not because you wrote a lot, but because you wrote something that was very good quality. Regards, Gaelen S.Talk Contribs 15:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
  • I agree with SoWhy and Chamal- this award seems redundant compared to the ones we already have. Nice image, though. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
  • It is a nice image. Is there anything else it could be used for? Unschool 02:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

New Service Award

I moved this discussion per below. Equazcion (talk) 23:58, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Move this discussion to Wikipedia talk:Service awards?

Would anyone object to that? Seems like a more appropriate venue, and it would probably garner more attention from interested parties there. Equazcion (talk) 23:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Since this is the wikiproject, I think that the discussion should be concentrated here and a message in other talk pages should be posted leading here. Any agree? - Damërung . -- 00:56, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Makes sense to me ϢereSpielChequers 07:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Agree - Quantockgoblin (talk) 09:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you guys are agreeing to. There or here? Equazcion (talk) 09:57, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Move from here to Wikipedia talk:Service awards ϢereSpielChequers 10:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I´m confused, I thought it was inverse (from there to here). - Damërung . -- 21:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
No my suggestion was from here to there. Hence my chosen section title "Move this discussion to Wikipedia talk:Service awards?" Aside from that being the specific page for service awards, the service awards specifically have their own following on Wikipedia apart from other types of awards, so I think the discussion would be better served there, to get the right attention. Equazcion (talk) 23:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn´t it be focused in the wikiproject instead? (eitherway, it´s ok by me, it´s just my opinion). - Damërung . -- 04:37, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't see why, when we have a place where the service awards are specifically discussed. If you need to discuss Lincoln you don't generally do it at Wikiproject History. Equazcion (talk) 04:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Alright then :) - Damërung . -- 19:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC)