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RFC on Murasaki Shikibu

I don't think the current lead image of the article is appropriate because the costume and the hair style are incorrect. Comments are needed at Talk:Murasaki Shikibu#Wrong picture. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 16:41, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


Hi everyone. I completed a disambiguation via dab solver of this project, however, a collection of disambig's still exist that I was unable to fix. If you feel like helping out, and perhaps you can solve some of these mystery disambig's you can join the OCD-loving fun here: [1]. :) Sarah (talk) 05:49, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

New articles page

Women's history/New articles exists. Rich Farmbrough set up the basics. Tedder has also been helping this to be set up. Their contributions have been beyond measurable value. If you have comments or questions about this, it would probably be better to address them to Tedder this week. Rich is not available for this at the moment.

It's a work in progress, but it gives you an idea what is out there. If you click on the Rules link, you can see what the keywords are. I am not a programmer, but the tweaking therein probably lies in the score numbers, or other minutia, not the keywords. Based on what I've seen on other projects, there will always be false positives within the bot search.

-Maile66 (talk) 16:46, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
I've had a look at it, and you've done a really good job! Considering how broad the scope of this project is, there are remarkably few false positives (although I did get a chuckle out of Meladema coriacea). In any case, many of the false positives are immediately obvious from the article title, so can be easily ignored. For comparison, this is yesterday's new article result for WikiProject Opera. Out of those, only about a third were actually in the project's scope. I suspect the proportion is about the same (or not much smaller) for the Women's History new article bot. Considering that the scope of the opera project is much narrower and potentially easier to define with key words than this one, that's a very good result. Thanks to the bot, I tagged Religious Teachers Venerini for Women's History and found a related article about its founder which I also tagged, but I haven't looked at the rest. I urge all active members who have ten minutes of time, to have a look at the list and check maybe five or six articles (or more if you have the time) for possible tagging. OK, back to lurking. :) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:43, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
I like that it picked up unassessed Athletics at the 1952 Summer Olympics – Women's javelin throw which would certainly fit within this project's scope. One of the earlier rounds of testing picked up an article (which I now can't find) that listed all the female nudes in a particular collection and reminded me of GenderGap thread. It's certainly a learning curve that needs editors with programming knowledge. Interesting in that it's picking up international articles on a wide scope of subjects relating to women. One way to gauge on how things are going for the effort. The first round of testing brought up more than 2,500 articles. It's been down and up with testing. You might find today's listings a bit hefty. I did some tweaks yesterday that upped it to almost 500 articles. I've reversed just now, so tomorrow should be more manageable.Maile66 (talk) 17:10, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Hey there, cool tool! Thanks for creating it. I looks like it hasn't ran in a while though. :( Sarah (talk) 09:31, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

The bot's had a few problems recently affecting the new articles pages for all projects, but the owner's working on it. See [2]. Voceditenore (talk) 09:41, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Ah, thanks! Sarah (talk) 01:43, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

And recent changes link on project's main page

Voceditenore, you might also be interested in this. Your thoughts - and anyone else's- are welcome. The project has links on its main page that maybe are not pointing to what the project had in mind. Or maybe so. Not meaning to jump the gun on you or anyone else, but I ran across something useful for anyone who wants to eyeball what's happening to any project's already created articles. And, of course, this project has the option of declining the tool, but I think you might want it.

In the upper right project's nav box, there is a link changes, that points to a Watch List for this Talk Page we're on. Which is OK, except that anyone with this project on their personal Watch List already gets that list.

The other link on the project's main page, section "How You Can Help/Monitor" recent changes, points to Talk Page changes only, for articles added to the project's Category.

But I think there is something way more useful to the project. Again, it's the Hawaii project that seems to have gotten the cool stuff: WP Hawaii Recent changes. It's a daily posting of changes to all articles that carry the project's banner. It's like a Watch List for the entire project.

If you go to WikiProject Council and scroll down to the bottom left of the page, it tells you this is done by Femto Bot. This is Rich Farmbrough's bot. At Here, scroll down a little, you can see where I've requested Women's History project get on the list for Recent Changes by Femto Bot. Given that Rich's bots are currently being reassigned to eligible volunteers, this request might not happen soon. But at least the request is out there.

Until then, there's the Toolserver Version, but it's a lot harder on the eyes.Maile66 (talk) 12:56, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

The Teahouse and New Articles page

I just found another use for the New Articles page. It's a good place to find new editors and invite them to the Teahouse. Maile66 (talk) 20:51, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Helena Dragas name query

Helena Dragas is actually the Greek queen of Byzantium with the name Helen – Dragasis Palaiologos also known as Saint Hipomoni!

In the article Helena Dragas she is not refered with her real full name. She was the Queen of Byzantium with the name Augusta Helen – Dragasis Palaiologos, daughter of the emperor of Slavic nation, Constantine Dragasis. She became empress of Byzantium as wife of Emmanuel B’ the Palaiologos and she was mother of the last emperor of Byzantium Costantine Palaiologos. I strongly suggest to change her name from Helena Dragas (which is slavic) to Helen – Dragasis Palaiologos (which is Greek), because she was an empress of Byzantium and firstly I don't find it appropriate to refer to her with her slavic name (she lived in Byzantium in Greece and not in Serbia) and secondly you can find plenty of reference with her name as Helen – Dragasis Palaiologos. Also many texts refer to her as Saint Patience (Saint Hipomoni). Her memory is celebrated in the Orthodox Greek church on 29 May 688dim (talk) 20:03, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't know anything about this myself, but Google book searches don't support your claim that the Greek name form is the most commonly used in English references. Dsp13 (talk) 13:03, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
No they don't support it, observe [3]. One source even explictly states "Prospective imperial brides often took a new name on marriage to a Byzantine Emperor, but there is sufficient evidence for the fact that the Serbian princess Helena Dragas continued to bear her maiden name after her marriage to Manuel II..." (Byzantion, Volume 44, 1974, p. 19. Société belge d'Études byzantines, Centre national de recherches byzantines, Byzantine Institute of America). Voceditenore (talk) 13:41, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


For those who did not make it down to Argentina for WikiWomenCamp, the first women only WMF leadership conference, a copy of some our notes can be found at WikiWomenCamp/Agenda, outcomes at WikiWomenCamp/Outcomes, and images, video and audio including of Sue's presentation can be found at WikiWomenCamp 2012 on Commons. --LauraHale (talk) 17:51, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Article for Deletion discussion: Stefania Wolicka

Support for the "Keep" votes is needed. Not sure how to link to the AfD discussion, but it's here: [4] Stefania Wolicka was the first woman to get a PhD in modern Europe (1875), after universities in Switzerland starting admitting women in the 1860/70s. OttawaAC (talk) 01:36, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Infanticide in New Zealand

Hi. I've written a series of articles about infanticide in New Zealand in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Could someone who has familiarity with the subject take a look at the entries on Phoebe Veitch, Lillian Fanny Jane Hobbs, Sarah-Jane and Anna Flannagan, Winifred Carrick and Caroline Whitting? Calibanu (talk)User Calibanu 13:52, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Henrietta Dugdale

I have edited the Henrietta Dugdale page extensively, including correcting errors (see talk page). Being new to Wikipedia, I'm not sure if the page is still rated a stub. Can someone please check and make any changes. Also, I'm not sure that the importance rating of "low", for Australian history is accurate. Dugdale was a major force in women's suffrage in Australia. THis makes her internationally important because Australia was the first country to allow women to run for parliament. I'll also post a query on the Australian history talk page. WikiMick (talk) 10:27, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

thanks for that - I agree it's a start page now and have reclassed it. Dsp13 (talk) 20:47, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Alice Paul

I don't have the energy, focus, and time to deal with expanding this article now, but I think it would be very useful to expand - the article basically trails off after mentioning her authorship of the ERA, ignoring the rest of her life. Looking at other bios (see the one here, for instance), she continued to be active well into her eighties.Brianyoumans (talk) 14:20, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

The more things change...

Over the last few weeks, I have been creating Wikipedia articles on individual United States women's hall of fame. Not all seem to have them, at least not online. I applaud the steering committees, volunteers and state governments that work so diligently sorting through historical archives and nominating women for the list. Whatever men were doing in a given geographical area, women were doing it, too. The women just didn't always make it into the accounts. The halls of fame are, to one degree or another, dependent upon funding from state governments, not an atmosphere for NPOV. Nowhere among these did I find that more evident, and see a woman's place in history so teetering on a precipice, than when I recently created Arizona Women's Hall of Fame. Their funding was completely stripped for over a decade, because some in the state legislature got their noses out of joint about one of the inductees, Margaret Sanger. Funding pulled for an entire decade because of that. Maile66 (talk) 16:12, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Female Olympians

Three countries are sending women to the 2012 Olympics for the first time in their history. It would be great if people could create articles about these women and take them to WP:DYK to run during the Games. It would also be great to see more articles about female Olympians and Paralympians taken to DYK for both. The latter is especially important given the historic discrimination against both women and people with disabilities. --LauraHale (talk) 21:41, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Remember that DYK has a five-day timer, so if you want it on the Main page, you've got to get it submitted within five days of article creation (or significant expansion, if it's an old stub). WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:20, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Please help improve Birth control

Birth control is easy and very important to improve. Please see Talk:Birth control#Reviews on the topic in the Lancet this month through Talk:Birth control#Comparison. (talk) 23:28, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Interesting little thing

Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award The Federal Aviation Administration has been handing these out since 2003. How many women can you find on this? There are over 2,000 names - you can limit the search by just entering a state name and clicking "Search". As Arte Johnson used to say, "Verryyy interesting!" Maile66 (talk) 23:33, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Maybe there's a parallel "Mistress Pilot Award"... just kidding... =80
...or is it "pilotrix"... Binksternet (talk) 00:46, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

GA reassessment

I have initiated a community reassessment of an article that might be of interest to this project, Netball and the Olympic Movement. The reassessment can be found here. AIRcorn (talk) 08:40, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Honor killing

I have edited Honor killing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) to make it meet the accepted layout. My edits were reverted. See the difference here. Which is a preferable version? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 05:53, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Rambling Man's for the heading (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Headings) AIRcorn (talk) 06:06, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
But the edit he did removes added text and reverses the suggested section order at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Headings. If it is the "Victims" header that is contentious why not simply change that one? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 06:17, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
I was just referring to the use of ";<heading>" instead of "===<heading>===". I don't know enough at this time to comment on any of the other changes. AIRcorn (talk) 06:29, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
I am thinking that the "Victims" section should be in the main article rather than in the "See also" section. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 06:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Category: Women academics - merge proposed to merge it into "female academics."

Please share your thoughts here: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_August_6#Category:Women_academics SarahStierch (talk) 19:49, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Quasi-orphaned Ida Henrietta Hyde

This article, which is listed as former DYK content for this project, is currently tagged as an "orphan". Technically it's not, as it has two inbound links, but apparently three (or more) are preferred. I can't find any existing wikitext that's immediately linkable. Anyone have any ideas? (Mention on [[Heidelberg University? Expand content on the microelectrode?) (talk) 09:13, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

The tag was outdated and removed. There are three inbound links. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.Maile66 (talk) 11:03, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

U of U Professor Ditches Term Papers for Wikipedia Articles

"Last spring, Berik’s Gender and Development graduate students contributed 15 new articles, covering an array of topics from women’s education in Pakistan to health in Uganda. She says one of her goals is to increase the number of women authors contributing to Wikipedia, as well as expand the site’s gender and race-related articles." Read the whole (short) article here. -- SarahStierch (talk) 17:47, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

File:Claudia Alexander.jpg

File:Claudia Alexander.jpg has been nominated for deletion as being unsourced -- (talk) 14:42, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Julia Morgan 2012 Celebration, Landmarks California

Landmarks California is kicking off their first event and they have chosen prominent architect Julia Morgan as a way to highlight the importance of the historical preservation of buildings. October and November 2012 are going to be the active months. It would be fantastic if editors here could buckle down and make improving the Julia Morgan biography a priority.

A new book has been written about Julia Morgan's life and career: Julia Morgan: Architect of Beauty, by Mark Anthony Wilson, an architectural historian. Interested editors would be encouraged to locate a copy of this book because it brings some new information to light. Binksternet (talk) 22:34, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Categories for discussion

Here is a discussion regarding renaming Category:Women foo to Category:Female foo. Thank you. Ncboy2010 (talk) 11:30, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Article for Deletion - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Protection of Women against Sexual Harassment at Workplace Bill, 2010

Feel free to take a look and share your thoughts here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Protection of Women against Sexual Harassment at Workplace Bill, 2010 -- SarahStierch (talk) 15:52, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


File:Mason1.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 02:54, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

WASP WWII Pilot, Annabelle Craft Moss at AfD

Your help is needed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Annabelle Craft Moss! Djembayz (talk) 12:44, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Women in technology and engineering edit-a-thon 2012

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing#Women in technology and engineering edit-a-thon 2012. -- Trevj (talk) 09:41, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I've co-opted part of this project space to start pulling together a page about the event - see Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's History/Royal Society. It seemed the most appropriate place for it! Andrew Gray (talk) 09:10, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
I've also added a link to it on the project's main page under a new section Events. That way it won't get lost in the shuffle. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 05:38, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Esther Martinez for Featured Article

Esther Martinez has potential for becoming a featured article-- any takers? She was truly a national treasure. And we have a great photo of her too. Djembayz (talk) 11:51, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Midwifery in the United States

Hi all, I'm currently undertaking a project to create a new page entitled "Midwifery in the United States" to be completed at the end of November 2012. I have an interest in midwifery and noticed that the entry had very little coverage on American midwifery. My new entry will have two main components: history and current practices. Relevant to this WikiProject is the history portion, which will cover from colonial times to the 20th century with a focus on the early 20th century when many changes were taking place. Because midwifery is traditionally a woman's occupation and role, I have joined this WikiProject to learn how I can better contribute to this topic. For my sources, I'm using a collection of academic books on history of midwifery in the United States. I welcome any feedback, suggestions, and criticisms. Thank you. MonicaHe (talk) 13:26, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a great project! Academic books are superb sources. Binksternet (talk) 15:53, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the support! I look forward to expanding this topic on Wikipedia and will frequently check back on this page in the coming months. MonicaHe (talk) 15:00, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Editing the bride burning page

As a part of my Poverty, Justice and Human Capabilities minor at Rice University, I'm required to find and edit a page that concerns class discussion material, which, as you can probably assume, often centers around human rights issues in underdeveloped countries. For this assignment, I chose bride burning, a topic that is both grotesque and fascinating and especially deserves more worldwide attention.

In order to combat such the global ignorance surrounding this topic, I chose this topic so that even one person can read, learn and attempt to eradicate bride burning all over the world. Unfortunately, currently the article is extremely limited, with only an introduction and one section on bride burning in South Asia and a subsection on India and Pakistan each. There is no history section (which should describe what exactly is bride burning and why it came to be prevalent in modern society), no mention of it existing in other parts of the world and no discussion on what is being done to combat the practice. Each of these sections are necessary to understand the full gravity of what bride burning does to women, their families and the cultures of affected nations. Over the course of the semester, I will take advantage of the many resources available on this tabooed subject in order to expand and ultimately reform readers' thoughts on bride burning.

WikiProjectWomensHistory, I'm sure, has many resources and tips available to help me as I revise this article. I would especially like some help on how to stay neutral with such dramatically biased topics. I have many sources so far from scholarly journals, but I would also like any help from contributors here with knowledge about certain sources I can use to better the page. Please leave feedback here, on my talk page or on the bride burning talk page whenever you can!

Thank you in advance for helping and being patient with me as I go through the dramatic revision of this article.

Ellyhutch (talk) 00:54, 4 October 2012 (UTC) The Hindus: An Alternative History by Wendy Doniger contains a bit of useful background history on the origins of suttee (Sati) in Hindustan. It was interesting to me to learn in it that originally, either men or women could perform an act of suttee... and it's just continued to evolve. The ancient ideal is a far cry from the common practise of "bride burning" today of course. I don't think it would be out of place to point out connections with the acid attack phenomenon. I look forward to reading your well-researched article when it's finished! OttawaAC (talk) 04:09, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


I have nominated Barbara McClintock for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dana boomer (talk) 16:39, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Anca Mosoiu nominated for deletion

Article about tech activist Anca Mosoiu, which was written for Ada Lovelace Day, has been nominated for deletion, some of you might feel like commenting. SarahStierch (talk) 21:28, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Idea: Portal:Women

The French Wikipedia has a fr:Portail:Femmes - A Portal:Women. This doesn't seem to be restricted to women's history, but apparently meant to cover all women everywhere. What do you think? WhisperToMe (talk) 15:26, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I like the idea, personally. I made a pitch for a portal for Women's History here, but there wasn't enough interest in maintaining it (this was a few months ago). Maybe a Portal:Women would be an easier sell, because it could draw on volunteers from so many other projects. Not just the ones dedicated to women's issues, like WikiProject Feminism; it could draw on anyone from any project who is interested in the role of women. I'd be willing to help maintain a Portal:Women, if we start one, count me in. OttawaAC (talk) 23:00, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Florida Women's Hall of Fame

Florida Women's Hall of Fame was tagged for "notability". I have removed the tag and noted so on the talk page. Anyone who thinks a state's official Women's Hall of Fame is not notable should say so here on this talk page. Same song, different verse of what women have endured since forever. — Maile (talk) 23:42, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Thought you might find this funny: Four-String Banjo Hall of Fame Members. Notability can be a pretty elastic concept. lol. (I even like banjo music...)OttawaAC (talk) 23:07, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Interesting that the banjo H of F is in Oklahoma. One I did some work on to bring up to Wiki standards is Louisiana Political Museum and Hall of Fame, was never challenged on notability. I find it a bit a-tilt in the fact that it was created by the state legislature and is funded by taxpayers. Politicians celebrating themselves. — Maile (talk) 13:24, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

List of female Fellows of the Royal Society

The recently-created List of female Fellows of the Royal Society has been nominated by KTC (talk · contribs) as a featured list at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates. There's also a newly-augmented Category:Female Fellows of the Royal Society. Regards, Eric: Esowteric+Talk 09:46, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Abortion advocacy movement coverage ready for community feedback

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Abortion advocacy movement coverage, an RFC that will affect the title of the articles currently titled Support for the legalization of abortion and Opposition to legal abortion if consensus is found in favor of its conclusions, is now in its community feedback phase and ready for editors to register opinions and arguments. Please add your feedback; thanks! —chaos5023 (talk) 17:32, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Birth rape

Might want to take a gander here if interested: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Birth rape SarahStierch (talk) 17:39, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Ada Lovelace Day edit-a-thon articles for DYK

I must have missed any mention of Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's History/Ada Lovelace Day 2012 on this talk page. However, Gobonobo is nominating a whole slew of those articles over at Template:Did you know nominations. Nominating at DYK is a great idea for acknowledging the output of the Ada Lovelace Day. Please feel free to visit that nomination page and help review those nominations for approval. If you've never reviewed at DYK before, here's a cheatsheet: Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Onepage. You'll get the hang of it by looking at what other reviewers do. — Maile (talk) 22:56, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Idea for a New Topic

Hi, I hope all is well. I randomly stumbled upon this page to today and felt immediate enthusiasm and joy. This is because I completely believe that these sort of site is essential to the bettering of our society, given that everything posted is honest and accurate . Anyways, my posting is in regards to a subject I find interesting, although I frankly dont know too much about. It would be awsome and educational to see other people implement what they believe is true based on research in regards to this. The topic is: The absence of woman lead figures in film/cinema industry. This is A topic I think of often and would be interested on seeing what prominent people say in regards to this. Why on films are there men typically as the lead role? Why are men's roles the ones that are typically portray invisibility, power and success? Does this affect the way woman view themselves? This is concluded and thought of amongst many other questions when I evaluate the films that have been Coming out for a while. Is this an indicator of Human experience? Human progress? Are women undermined? What can we conclude as A people in regards to the absence of female lead roles in main street cinema? (talk) 08:33, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

New WikiProject

Hi! I just wanted to let you all know that Sarah Stierch and I have started a new WikiProject, Wikipedia:WikiProject Women scientists. We thought some of you may be interested. Thanks for your time! If you have any questions, feel free to ask one of us on our talk page. All the best, Keilana|Parlez ici 06:22, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

New article Myra Clark Gaines (notable US Supreme Court cases)

I ran across this article at WP:AFC, and though still needing polishing it met the standards for publication. Gaines is notable for having gone to the US Supreme Court 17 times, and Louisiana courts 70 times, in pursuit of the right to inherit her father's estate in the late 19th century. The editor is brand-new to this, but seems to have done a pretty solid job for a starter. It was apparently a huge case, has lots of GoogleBooks coverage, so another one of those "surprised we didn't get this article years ago" cases. Bringing up here in case anyone is interested in helping out this new editor who's done a great job with her/his first article. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:39, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Sibyl de Neufmarché

Sibyl de Neufmarché, an article that your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the good article reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. AIRcorn (talk) 08:14, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Category:American actresses

Category:American actresses, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for rename. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you..John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Year of the Military Women

Year of the Military Women is an unreferenced stub that has been prodded. Anyone interested in turning this into a valid article (if it can be at this point)? LadyofShalott 01:41, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Jessie Stephen

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Jessie Stephen#Request for verification of a few points. -- Trevj (talk) 02:14, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


I have nominated the article Lady Saigō for Featured Article status. Comments are welcomed at the FAC discussion page. Boneyard90 (talk) 15:04, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Country article scheme for women's rights, etc.?

Is there a common scheme/set of articles about women's rights, etc. in a country? I'm asking because Thailand now has the articles Feminism in Thailand, Women in Thailand and Gender inequality in Thailand, all of which seem to overlap in parts. Not sure if they should be merged or developed into distinct articles with non-overlapping scope. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:32, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

It is okay that there is some overlap in these articles, as they are distinct, though related, concepts. Still, there may be some cases where merging might be appropriate. There are 'Women in X' articles for the majority of countries and ideally, we'll have those articles for every country. 'Feminism in X' articles are not as common, but exist for many countries. 'Gender inequality in X' articles are rarer still, but exist for several countries/regions. A common scheme for these articles, in my mind, is to have sections for gender inequality and feminism in the main 'Women in X' article that summarize the topic and provide a link to the main article. The primary women's articles have a broader scope and the feminism and gender inequality articles frequently go into more detail than may be appropriate to include at the primary article. Similarly, summaries of articles from the Category:Violence against women by country should be included in each main article.
As for your specific example, I feel that the level of detail in the gender inequality in Thailand article and its focus on the economics of the phenomenon warrant a separate article (Full disclosure: I was the online ambassador for the student who created the article). Since the Thailand articles for feminism and gender inequality are more developed than the Women in Thailand article, the primary article should be expanded to incorporate summary sections on feminism and gender inequality.
There is also potentially some overlap between articles entitled 'Women's rights in X' and 'Feminism in X' articles and I note that a number of the women's rights articles have been tagged for merging. Gobōnobō + c 22:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I've created a page that lists all of these types of articles by country at User:Gobonobo/Women's articles. It's rather template heavy, so it loads slowly. Some of the blue links are redirects and there may be other articles that do not conform to the naming conventions, but it gives an idea of the number of each type of article that we have. Gobōnobō + c 00:31, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

New articles on Canadian women

Our resident American historian User:Rjensen has been very kind to us this past year making some new articles based on Canadian women. Rjensen is generally a content editor (need many more like him) and the articles could use some fine touches from our style editor's (wiki links, un-orphaning, images etc..) Any help would be great. Moxy (talk) 17:53, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Takembeng + Women's history?

I just created an article on Takembeng, post-menopausal female protesters in Cameroon. There seem to be a lot of connections to women's history and other movements, but I feel like the connections of the page to these wider issues is currently lacking. I'd really appreciate a read through from any Wikiproject Women's History editors and any additions as may be appropriate (a see also section would be great but I kept stumbling in trying to create one with anything other than the Aba Women's Riots). I didn't even know if the project would consider it within the scope, so the project template isn't on the Talk page (feel free to add if you think it is appropriate). Any help appreciated. Ayuongni'i (Thank you in Kom). AbstractIllusions (talk) 21:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

How should we name an index on civil rights women in Kentucky?

See User:Randolph.hollingsworth/sandbox and my declination. Let's keep the discussion centralized here.

Ahnoneemoos (talk) 15:11, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Edith Cavell/ Silent June

A senior editor removed my WP Women's History banner from Silent June on the grounds that it's not within the scope of the project. But the entry for Edith Cavell is within scope and the title of the Silent June album refers to the words of one of the songs on it, "Que Sera", about Cavell's execution during World War I. O'Hooley & Tidow, the two women who wrote the song, said they were inspired by Cavell's story. In doing so, have brought this historically very important story to modern audiences. Worthy for inclusion in the project, surely! Headhitter (talk) 21:32, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

In my experience, it's pretty unusual for an album to be included in any WikiProjects beside WP:WikiProject Albums and any relevant genre-related WikiProjects. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:40, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


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Please note that Tomboy, which is within this project's scope, has been selected to become a Today's Article for Improvement. The article is currently in the TAFI Holding Area, where comments are welcome about ideas to improve it. After the article is moved from the holding area to the TAFI schedule, it will appear on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Today's Article for Improvement" section for one week. Everyone is invited to participate in the discussion and encouraged to collaborate to improve the article.
Thank you,
TheOriginalSoni (talk) 11:07, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
(From the TAFI team)

AfD Jigai (Female ritual suicide in Japan)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jigai ... a messed up little article, shrunk to a stub by trimming of badly sourced semi-nonsense content, but still worth someone taking a quick look. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:39, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Women in photography

In connection with Women's History Month 2013, I suggest we should try to develop coverage of Women in photography, just as we covered Women in architecture last year. There is already a basic list of some 100 names (which needs to be developed with at least a few words on the contribution of each individual, perhaps sorted by country) but we also need to write an article on the topic — I could make a start myself in a week or two if there are no other volunteers. Furthermore, I am sure we will discover lots of additional names, organisations, etc., which will require articles. We should try to get started quickly as March is Women's History Month. Anyone interested in participating? --Ipigott (talk) 10:59, 23 February 2013 (UTC)


Cecilia Grierson, the first woman to receive an MD in Argentina, might be within the scope of this project. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:59, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Sure looks like it. I assessed it B-class. Boneyard90 (talk) 15:00, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Spies - Suffragist and mate

I have created articles called Paulina Irby and Georgina Muir Mackenzie, They were arrested as spies and THEN became activists in Bosnia. I'm told that Irby was well known and she already had an article om bs:wikipedia. I did these for March 8th which is Womans day??. Anyone fancy checking my geography etc? e.g. Where is Schmocks? What were the atrocities? Victuallers (talk) 16:16, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Sex segregation article

Greetings all, As a part of Rice University's Poverty, Justice, and Human Capabilities minor, my Poverty and Gender class annually contributes to Wikipedia articles concerning gender bias and disparities. My partner and I have chosen to contribute to and overhaul the article titled "Sex segregation" as it is in dire need of more citations and a global perspective, among other things. The article is currently under the scope of WikiProject Women's History as within sex segregation there are often cases of differential sex and gender discrimination associated with women and their status throughout history. The name will be changed to Gender segregation (even though gender segregation is linked), as we believe that gender is more inclusive towards segregation not only between the biological sexes but between the socially constructed genders as well. We plan on reorganizing the article by starting off from a very broad, theoretical perspective, discussing scholarly definitions and causes of gender segregation, subsequently addressing different spheres of gender segregation in public and private realms. The current article does an adequate job of discussing some arenas in which gender segregation takes place, so we will definitely include the well-cited information the article currently contains. We plan to include contemporary examples, which not only facilitates a global perspective, but also provides an opportunity for multiple editors to continually update the article, maintaining high-quality work. Lastly, we want to discuss consequences (positive and negative) of gender segregations for all genders as well as critiques of gender segregation. There are many prominent theorists including Blackburn, Nussbaum, and Sen whose works we will be utilizing to analyze gender segregation underneath the realm of the Capabilities Approach that is prevalent in our Poverty, Justice, and Human Capabilities minor. We would love feedback from other editors and contributors of this project, especially concerning some of the potential problems we foresee including but not limited to: maintaining a neutral and encyclopedic tone since some research considers gender segregation to have positive outcomes while socially it is overwhelmingly negative, representing both genders, and distinguishing between sex and gender segregation. Any other technical or miscellaneous feedback is also more than welcome. Thanks so much!

Achresto (talk) 17:37, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

'Motherhood Penalty' Article

I am going to expand and revise upon the Wikipedia article “Motherhood penalty”. I will specifically be focusing on the perceived cultural tension between mothers and workers as well as employer bias, discrimination, and the effects of the motherhood penalty. Addressing the motherhood is penalty is important because it impacts the future success and equality of women, specifically mothers in the workforce. Mothers face more difficulties getting hired and were offered lower pay than their childless peers. Fathers, on the other hand, face no such penalties, doing equal to or better than childless men. The fact that women may feel forced to lie about their life in order to gain employment is proof that this is a valid and rampant form of discrimination and must be recognized. Throughout history, women have had to fight for equal employment opportunities and wages. It is still a work in progress and a continued struggle. The motherhood penalty is just another obstacle towards equality. The motherhood penalty must be also be acknowledged and addressed in order to end the double standard and gender roles that exist for mothers and fathers. I plan to use the work of Deborah Anderson, Melissa Binder, Michelle Budig, Paula England, and Shelley Correll. I would appreciate any comments or feedback.Mmcolson (talk) 18:32, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Revising the Purdah Article

I would like to revise the Wikipedia page on Purdah. Currently, the page desperately needs improvement: the article is flagged for needing “additional citations for verification”. It is very short, lacking in in detail, credible sources, and citations. Right now the definition of purdah relies on an Eurocentric Greco-Roman historian’s description. The tone of the article lacks credibility. Its assertions are overly simplistic and makes claims with bare-boned citation. The article does not address the historical, religious, or cultural origins, or the influence of class, nationality, economic shifts, Islamization of the state, or women’s personal choices-- all sub-topics I plan to add to the article. Currently the article is poorly organized. In addition, the article uses a biased, Western-centric point of view. In all, this page is currently biased, unsystematic, unorganized, and lacks in research.

Purdah is a very important topic that warrants a well-written article. The purdah has wide-ranging ramifications for millions of women around the world. Purdah takes forms in women’s dress, behavior and institutional rights in terms of access to resources and mobility. Given the multitude of perspectives (sociological, human rights, economic, political, historical, religious, gender rights, etc) a neutral and comprehensive exploration of this topic is very much needed to present an unbiased picture for this tradition. I hope to improve upon it by increasing the thoroughness in research, comprehensiveness in content and analysis, clear organization, neutral tone of voice, number of citations from credible sources (academic articles from journals on Asian history, women's studies, sociology, anthropology, etc), inclusion of appropriate pictures, and the degree to which it is imbedded within the Wikipedia universe by linking to other relevant pages.

I'd love to hear any suggestions and comments you might have!

Jennyxwen (talk) 19:45, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Article edits to Sexual violence in the Democratic Republic of the Congo

Hi all! I am in a Wikipedia contribution class on Poverty, Gender, and Human Development at Rice University and I want to expand upon the Sexual violence in the Democratic Republic of the Congo article. I am very passionate about this topic and I want to add onto this article because I think it will be beneficial to provide more information to give the page depth and complexity. The existing page focuses on only one narrative of "rape against women in war" and I want to add more information to reveal the issue of sexual violence at large in the country. I plan on adding information of other forms of sexual violence in the country, including high rates of domestic violence and civilian rapes.

I came to this page because the article is very relevant to this Project and I hope to provide a more realistic portrayal of the situation in the DRC. The DRC, particularly the mineral-rich and conflict-ridden eastern region, is known as the rape capital of the world; thus, this is of interest to women's history, women's studies, and human rights. WikiProject Women's History has already rated the page as mid-importance, and I hope to make the page even more comprehensive. Please let me know if anyone would like to give me any feedback or advice!

Juliabarrow3 (talk) 02:02, 6 March 2013 (UTC)Juliabarrow3

Input needed at RfC

Input is needed at an RfC: Talk:Rape_culture#Request_for_comment_III. The question is whether material from an activist can be included in the Rape culture article. --Noleander (talk) 17:10, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


I thought this conversation might be of interest to participants in this project - Talk:Sarah_Brown_(wife_of_Gordon_Brown)#Requested_move. SarahStierch (talk) 23:12, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Pauline Kael

Pauline Kael, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. AIRcorn (talk) 10:26, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Gender bias task force

There's a proposal here to set up a gender bias task force. Input would be very welcome. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:35, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Laura Ingalls aviator 2a.jpg

image:Laura Ingalls aviator 2a.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 04:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Elizabeth Carter and 'women writers'

The author(s?) of the informative article on Elizabeth Carter wrote the following sentence: "Carter's position in the pantheon of eighteenth century women writers was, however, secured by her translation in 1758 of All the Works of Epictetus..." Did this translation, the first and the only till two centuries later, not secure her position in the pantheon of eighteenth-century WRITERS? Why did the author feel it necessary to say 'women writers'? It's important that women get recognition for their thoughts and deeds, but if we're to overcome sexism, etc, we must be more wary about qualifying their achievements by their sex. Elizabeth Carter was one of the greatest 18th-century classical scholars. Full stop. Her being a woman to that extent is irrelevant. Katiehawks (talk) 08:07, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree. This can be hard to express with the right nuance: since she was part of the Blue Stockings Society, there will indeed be RS that deal specifically with women's intellectual history and mark her achievement as significant for establishing the gravitas of women in the field. At the same time, producing the first translation of any major figure from antiquity is a notable achievement independent of gender, as you say. As a project (from which I've been absent for a while), we should probably have been playing a greater role in the ongoing media-exacerbated controversy over "American novelists" vs. ""American women novelists" at Category talk:American novelists and elsewhere. Cynwolfe (talk) 14:13, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Maria Konopnicka

I've expanded this article. I wonder if your project does B-class review? The article also needs importance assessment. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Hedda Bolgar

Hedda Bolgar, a new stub, would make a great DYK if someone has time to expand it ... ! Djembayz (talk) 18:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Portrait of Jessie Tarbox Beals standing outside with her camera, ca. 1927-1929 PC60-9-14.jpg

image:Portrait of Jessie Tarbox Beals standing outside with her camera, ca. 1927-1929 PC60-9-14.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 07:44, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Viola Davis Brown, Graduation photo, Nazareth School of Nursing, 1959.jpg

File:Viola Davis Brown, Graduation photo, Nazareth School of Nursing, 1959.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 09:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military

What do you think about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military? It seems every thing should be hidden.--Syngmung (talk) 13:52, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


File:Amazonguards.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 04:38, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Sewing circles desperately needs help

There is only one mention of "sewing" in the Sewing circles article. I'm almost ashamed to link it from women's history biographies :( SarahStierch (talk) 07:33, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Good grief! What a horror show of a coatrack! I've left a whole list of books on sewing circles in the original meaning of the word, on Talk:Sewing circles. It's a very important aspect of women's history, and widely covered in scholarly sources. I may be able to get around to expanding the article (and completely changing its direction) after June 11, but in the meantime, anyone who can, please start this now. I'll post the potential sources here too:

  • The Sewing Circles of Herat by foreign correspondent, Christina Lamb takes it title from the chapter in which she visits a group of Afghan women living Taliban rule in the late 1990s who formed a group to study literature, but had to disguise it as a sewing circle. Description in The Guardian here
From the kind hearts of the women,
Came the first of "Sewing-Circles,"
That the germ of all the others.
Lo! from that, a small beginning,
Farther, wider, spread the circles,
Till they covered all the region,
Till each village has its circles,
Every cause its Sewing-Circles...

Voceditenore (talk) 10:49, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

New Articles

I created Congress of American Women and Muriel Draper yesterday. If anyone is interested in checking and expanding them that would be great.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 15:29, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

RfC on title of Sarah Brown (wife of Gordon Brown)

Hi, there is an RM/RfC here that may be of interest to this project. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Rape during the liberation of France

There is a page Rape during the liberation of France, which mentions rapes during the war. But some people want to hide historical shame articles. Need some opinions. See Talk:Rape during the liberation of France.--Syngmung (talk) 05:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Please see WP:CANVAS. For everyone else: please ignore this person. Xe has been inserting OR (particularly of the SYNTH variety) into numerous articles on rape and other almost entirely unrelated articles (read: adding a paragraph about rape to Invasion of Normandy#Dramatizations), and inserting links to completely unrelated articles about prostitution in South Korea. These edits are at the very best highly offensive and inappropriate. Cheers! Eh doesn't afraid of anyone (talk) 13:30, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
What is the OR? Sourced contents. Eh doesn't afraid of anyone, the SPA comments are filled with OR without reliable sources.--Syngmung (talk) 14:00, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I think this is a legit discussion - despite poor announcement - and needs input. Putting on a couple more varied wikiprojects myself. CarolMooreDC - talkie talkie🗽 17:48, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
And this is obviously a legitimate project to notify. We probably worry too much about expressing one's own POV in posting a notice: it's just as likely to attract comments from those who disagree with you, and is a de facto alert that POV issues will be plaguing the discussion. Cynwolfe (talk) 18:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm not going to close this section as I just did for the others, but viewed appropriately through the interpretive lens of the other five WikiProject postings made simultaneously with the above one, the activities Syngmung was engaging in were clearly canvassing. If it was JUST the Women's History WikiProject (and the above notice was not worded inappropriately -- accusing the vast majority of good-faith Wikipedia editors involved in the dispute of trying to "hide" anything is definitely wrong), then this would be acceptable, but Syngmung has since been blocked for flagrant edit-warring and canvassing. If anyone here believes this is wrong, please post on WP:ANI#User:Syngmung or as a response to my comment below Syngmung's unblock request. Please note, however, that Syngmung him/herself apparently saw fit to completely ignore that xe was blocked for canvassing in said unblock request. Take from that what you will, but I think this user knows xe was guilty of canvassing and so sought to hide this fact from any reviewing admins. Cheers! Eh doesn't afraid of anyone (talk) 05:14, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


image:ErnaLowSki.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 06:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

M ogrady.jpg

image:M ogrady.jpg has been nominated for deletion-- (talk) 05:17, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

File:Edith Picton-Turbervill, MP for the Wrekin.jpg

File:Edith Picton-Turbervill, MP for the Wrekin.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 05:37, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Bernadette Rebienot at Articles for Deletion

Bernadette Rebienot of Gabon (the woman who said, "In Gabon, when the grandmothers speak, the president listens ..." ) is at Articles for Deletion. Djembayz (talk) 03:02, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Rita Pitka Blumenstein at Articles for Deletion

Rita Pitka Blumenstein, member of the Alaska Women's Hall of Fame is at Articles for Deletion. Djembayz (talk) 03:12, 17 June 2013 (UTC)


image:BertaBaker.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 03:49, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Reliable source usage

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Asian Americans#Asian American interracial trope. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:05, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

June Hill Robertson McCarroll DYK?

June Hill Robertson McCarroll could be turned into a DYK ... Djembayz (talk) 02:00, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

It would've made a really good one, but I don't think it meets the criteria. A DYK has to have been either created within five days of nomination, or expanded substantially (about five times the text that was in the existing article, as I recall). So if the latter requirement could be met, the nomination could be made within five days of expansion.
I dislike the five-day deadline, BTW. It tends to confine DYKs to habitual nominators who know the process, and the articles of new editors and students generally can't meet the deadline. I recall another interesting topic in women's history I was disappointed to come upon only after it was too late. Cynwolfe (talk) 17:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Abortion laws

Hello Wikiproject Women's History -

In the course of my work on other articles, I'm often encountering material on United States present-day abortion laws (in the U.S. abortion is technically legal, but many states impose various barriers to having one, such as waiting periods, physicians mandated to give patients inaccurate medical information about the alleged risks, etc.) Would anyone be interested in working with me to create articles on some of these types of law? –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 02:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I would be interested in working on these. The little stub we had for TRAP laws (Targeted Regulation of Abortion Providers) was recently converted to a soft redirect to Wiktionary. Gobōnobō + c 21:21, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
(I converted the stub.) Since TRAP law isn't the universal term (possibly POV too?) and the article was a permastub, I thought any such expansion would happen at Abortion in the United States by state, Abortion in the United States, Abortion law, or an offshoot whereof. I'm currently on other projects but I'd be willing to contribute sparingly. czar · · 21:56, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
The suggestion of putting the information into an existing article isn't a bad one - I'm just daunted by the prospect of overhauling an article. like, the abortion by state article is organized by state, but I'm looking at creating articles or sections on the types of laws. (the abortion in the US article has just a section on the legal situation, which discusses total bans and personhood but not other restrictions, with a brief mention of transvaginal ultrasounds.) Do you think it'd be better to reorganize an existing article by topic instead of by geography, or to create new articles on all these types of law and then link them from existing articles? –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 22:26, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
There are definitely distinct types of abortion legislation being passed in the US (something like 2000 unique provisions introduced to state legislatures over the past few years). I think an article on Types of abortion legislation could be useful and informative. Besides mandatory ultrasounds and TRAP laws (or whatever the universal term for them is), there are gestational limits ("fetal pain" laws and fetal heartbeart laws), laws banning telemedicine to prescribe medication for abortion, laws requiring waiting periods, parental-consent laws, and laws preventing wrongful birth suits. The Guttmacher Institute has a good breakdown of the different types of laws here. Americans United for Life also has a page for model legislation here that probably has more types of laws. Gobōnobō + c 23:59, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I'd suggest History of abortion legislation in the United States (or swap "legislation" with "law", and maybe "abortion-related" instead, not sure if it's necessary). It can expand summary-style from Roe v. Wade#History of abortion laws in the United States and Abortion in the United States#History sections. It could definitely use its own space as a summary-style expansion. The Types article could work too, but I'm not personally familiar with the typology or how much potential it has. A history article could cycle through how the actual legislation evolved over time ("TRAP laws" relatively recent, comparatively). Also a history article would unearth enough sources on types for a dedicated Types article (though I'd definitely start summary-style in a Abortion law article section first). czar · · 00:49, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
I feel like a "types" article of the kind that Gobonobo suggests might be better than a "history" style article. The proliferation of different types of abortion restriction (waits, scripts, TRAP, etc.) is a response to abortion being legal. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 00:53, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
I've created a stubby little article at Types of abortion restrictions in the United States (after thinking about it I decided that making it about the USA from the get-go was the best plan since all these types of laws have developed in the U.S. framework given Roe and federalism). It is tiny, tiny, but I know my own habits of not getting stuff done so I thought it would be better to put something out there for other people to contribute to as well. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 05:54, 2 July 2013 (UTC)