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WRC non-manufacturing entries (until 2010)[edit]

When I checked some of the Wiki pages for some WRC seasons like 2004 or 2005, I've noticed that some entries that were not registered as eligible for points in the manufactures championship are listed as such. Should I move them to the Major entries not registered as manufacturers or create a new list for Manufacturer entries that weren't nominated for pointscoring in the manufacturer standings? Ivaneurope (talk) 09:36, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I think those articles need that improvement. We should keep as a template the current table. If you do it, remember that there where some seasons where manufacturers entered more than two entries, but only their best two counted toward the points. MNSZ (talk) 00:45, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
I tested a new template that I wanted to distinguish the non-scoring manufacturer entries from the privateers. I've consulted with Hakulin about it and the feedback was that it's too confusing. I'll post my idea here so I could read your oppinion. (The prototype was first tested on the 2004 season) Ivaneurope (talk) 20:51, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
Manufacturer teams
Team Constructor Car Tyre No Drivers Co-drivers Rounds
Japan 555 Subaru World Rally Team Subaru Impreza WRC2003/4 P 1 Norway Petter Solberg United Kingdom Phil Mills All
2 Finland Mikko Hirvonen Finland Jarmo Lehtinen All
France Citroën Total Citroën Xsara WRC M 3 France Sébastien Loeb Monaco Daniel Elena All
4 Spain Carlos Sainz Spain Marc Martí All
France Marlboro Peugeot Total Peugeot 307 WRC M 5 Finland Marcus Grönholm Finland Timo Rautiainen All
6 Belgium Freddy Loix Belgium Sven Smeets 1–2, 15
Finland Harri Rovanperä Finland Risto Pietiläinen 3–9, 11–13, 16
France Cédric Robert France Gérald Bedon 10, 14
United Kingdom Ford Motor Co Ford Focus RS WRC 03/04 M 7 Estonia Markko Märtin United Kingdom Michael Park All
8 Belgium François Duval Belgium Stéphane Prévot 1, 3–8, 10, 12-16
Belgium Philippe Droeven 11
Finland Janne Tuohino Finland Jukka Aho 2, 9
Japan Mitsubishi Motors Motor Sports Mitsubishi Lancer WRC04 M 9 France Gilles Panizzi France Hervé Panizzi 1–10
10 Italy Gianluigi Galli Italy Guido d'Amore 1, 3, 7
Finland Kristian Sohlberg Finland Kaj Lindström 2, 4–5, 8–9
Spain Daniel Solà Spain Xavier Amigò 6, 10
Manufacturer entries not registered for scoring points
Team Constructor Car Tyre No Drivers Co-drivers Rounds
France Marlboro Peugeot Total Peugeot 307 WRC M 9 Belgium Freddy Loix Belgium Sven Smeets 10, 14
14 Finland Sebastian Lindholm Finland Tomi Tuominen 9
15 Sweden Daniel Carlsson Sweden Mattias Andersson 12
United Kingdom Ford Motor Co Ford Focus RS WRC 03/04 M 11 Germany Antony Warmbold United Kingdom Gemma Price All
15 Belgium François Duval Belgium Stéphane Prévot 2, 9
Japan Mitsubishi Motors Motor Sports Mitsubishi Lancer WRC04 M 9 France Gilles Panizzi France Hervé Panizzi 15
10 Spain Daniel Solà Spain Xavier Amigò 15
14 Italy Gianluigi Galli Italy Guido d'Amore 15
Czech Republic Škoda Motorsport Škoda Fabia WRC M 11 Germany Armin Schwarz Germany Manfred Hiemer 6, 9–10, 12–15
12 Finland Toni Gardemeister Finland Paavo Lukander 6, 9–10, 12–15
15 Czech Republic Jan Kopecký Czech Republic Filip Schovánek 15
17 Czech Republic Roman Kresta Czech Republic Jan Tománek 10
18 Finland Jani Paasonen Finland Jani Vainikka 9, 12
I don't see the need to distinguish the non-scoring manufacturers entries from the privateers ones, as neither are able to score manufacturers points. The difference is on the "team" name, as we've been using on the last years. This is ok as you present it, but I would not use a different table for privateers entries, but combined it with the non-scoring manufacturers for a "Major entries ineligible to score manufacturer points" table. MNSZ (talk) 03:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
OK, however the current template that is used (The 2012-present) can't be used well for some older seasons. For example - Škoda used in 2003 both the Octavia and Fabia. Some privateer entries have used different cars and/or models like the two generations of Ford Focus (and the yearly incarnations). I've seen an alternate template, which is used in the ERC seasons, so I plan to use it for the pre-2011 seasons. Ivaneurope (talk) 09:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
EDIT: I think this template of yours shall work. Ivaneurope (talk) 09:11, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Constructor Car Team Tyre Driver Co-driver Rounds
Citroën Citroën DS3 WRC France Citroën Abu Dhabi World Rally Team M France Sébastien Loeb Monaco Daniel Elena 1
United Arab Emirates Khalid Al Qassimi United Kingdom Marshall Clarke 1
Volkswagen Volkswagen Polo R WRC Germany Volkswagen Motorsport M Norway Andreas Mikkelsen Norway Ola Fløene 4

New layout for pre-2011 WRC season[edit]

Earlier in this talk page I've mentioned the issue I have with the pre-2011 WRC entry lists. After days of thinking of new layout that will distinguish some entries, entered by manufacturer WRC team, that were ineligible for scoring points. I present the provisional layout based on the 2005 WRC (not complete) for review as I've asked other member of this WP and his oppinion was that this may confuse some (for example here Skoda Motorsport is presented in both tables). What do you think? Ivaneurope (talk) 22:14, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

World Rally Car entries eligible to score manufacturer points
Constructor Car Team Car No. Driver Co-driver Rounds
Citroën Citroën Xsara WRC France Citroën Total World Rally Team M 1 France Sébastien Loeb Monaco Daniel Elena All
2 Belgium François Duval Belgium Stéphane Prévot 1–6
Belgium Sven Smeets 9–16
Spain Carlos Sainz Spain Marc Martí 7–8
Ford Ford Focus RS WRC 04/06 United Kingdom Ford World Rally Team M 3 Finland Toni Gardemeister Finland Jakke Honkanen All
4 Czech Republic Roman Kresta Czech Republic Jan Možný 1
Czech Republic Jan Tománek 4–9, 11–16
Norway Henning Solberg Norway Cato Menkerud 2
Spain Daniel Solà Spain Xavier Amigò 3
Finland Mikko Hirvonen Finland Jarmo Lehtinen 10
Subaru Subaru Imperza 2004/5 Japan Subaru World Rally Team P 5 Norway Petter Solberg United Kingdom Phil Mills All
6 France Stéphane Sarrazin France Patrick Pivato 1
France Denis Giraudet 2, 11, 14–15
Australia Chris Atkinson Australia Glenn MacNeall 3–10, 12–13, 16
Peugeot Peugeot 307 WRC France Marlboro Peugeot Total P 7 Finland Marcus Grönholm Finland Timo Rautiainen All
8 Estonia Markko Märtin United Kingdom Michael Park 1–12
Sweden Daniel Carlsson Sweden Mattias Andersson 13, 16
France Nicolas Bernardi Belgium Jean-Marc Fortin 14–15
Mitsubishi Mitsubishi Lancer WRC 05 Japan Mitsubishi Motors Motor Sports P 9 Finland Harri Rovanperä Finland Risto Pietiläinen All
10 France Gilles Panizzi France Hervé Panizzi 1, 3, 6, 13–14
Italy Gianluigi Galli Italy Guido d'Amore 2, 4–5, 7–12, 15–16
Škoda Škoda Fabia WRC Czech Republic Škoda Motorsport M 11 Germany Armin Schwarz Germany Klaus Wicha 1, 3–16
Sweden Mattias Ekström Sweden Stefan Bergman 2
12 France Alexandre Bengué France Caroline Escudero 1, 11, 14–15
Finland Janne Tuohino Finland Mikko Markkula 2, 4–8
Finland Jani Paasonen Finland Jani Vainikka 3, 9–10
United Kingdom Colin McRae United Kingdom Nicky Grist 12, 16
Finland Mikko Hirvonen Finland Jarmo Lehtinen 13
Major entries ineligible to score manufacturer points
Constructor Car Team Tyre Driver Co-driver Rounds
Citroën Citroën Xsara WRC Belgium OMV World Rally Team M Spain Xavier Pons Spain Carlos Del Barrio 8–12, 14–16
Finland Juuso Pykälistö Finland Mika Ovaskainen 5
Austria Manfred Stohl Austria Ilka Minor 1, 4–6, 8–12, 16
Mitsubishi Mitsubishi Lancer WRC 05 Japan Mitsubishi Motors Motor Sports P Italy Gianluigi Galli Italy Guido d'Amore 13–14
Peugeot Peugeot 307 WRC France Bozian Racing P Sweden Daniel Carlsson Sweden Mattias Andersson 2
Finland Sebastian Lindholm P Finland Sebastian Lindholm Finland Tomi Tuominen 10
Peugeot 206 WRC France Didier Auriol M France Didier Auriol France Denis Giraudet 1
France Bozian Racing M
Sweden Daniel Carlsson Sweden Mattias Andersson 6, 9
Argentina Marcos Ligato Argentina Ruben Garcia 9
Spain Xavier Pons Spain Oriol Julià Pascual 1, 5
Spain Lucas Cruz 3
France Equipe de France FFSA P France Nicolas Bernardi Belgium Jean-Marc Fortin 11–12
Mexico Ricardo Triviño P Mexico Ricardo Triviño Spain Carlos Del Barrio 3
Spain Sergio Salom 9, 15
Škoda Škoda Fabia WRC Czech Republic Škoda Motorsport M Czech Republic Jan Kopecký Czech Republic Filip Schovánek 11, 14–15
Finland Jani Paasonen Finland Jani Vainikka 2, 8
Finland Janne Tuohino Finland Mikko Markula 10
France Nicolas Vouilloz M France Nicolas Vouilloz France Patrick Pivato 14–15
Subaru Subaru Impreza WRC 2004 Sweden Rally Team Olsbergs P Sweden Daniel Carlsson Sweden Maria Andersson 5
Sweden Mattias Andersson 7–8
Sweden Tobias Johansson Norway Ola Fløene 2
Finland Kaj Lindström 3, 5, 7–8
I think it looks ok this way. MNSZ (talk) 22:59, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
OK, now the thing is that I have some issue with the arrangement non-scoring entries - until 2006 the private entries didn't had a fixed car number like now some non-scoring entries have (like for example Bertelli always uses number 37). Should I add car numbers to the entries, or keep them the way they are in the template? If the second choice is more convenient IMO the the driver arrangement alphabeticaly looks messed and maybe I'll change the arrangement according to these criteria:
  • 1. Where was the first round they entered
  • 2. The number of races entered
  • 3. By letter

Ivaneurope (talk) 08:17, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

I think that you should not add the numbers to the entries. Without that, I think the best way to arrange the table, is still in alphabetical order, by Manufacturer -> Team/Entry -> Driver. MNSZ (talk) 00:02, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

New look for 2016 calendar and summary tables.[edit]

Hi Everyone!! I'm looking for opinions on a new look for the 2016 pages. Prisonermonkeys make some changes that I think improves the pages (and, as he said, it looks more alike to other motorsport seasons' pages), but I think we can keep improving it. You can comment in here. MNSZ (talk) 23:45, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

China Rally 2016[edit]

The 2016 China Rally which is a WRC round will be in Beijing and the rally is different from the China Rally that was run in 1999. Is there a need to create a new page for the China Rally, Beijing? Ivaneurope (talk) 20:34, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary, as it is normal for a rally to change it base, but still being recognized as the same rally. I don't see this as being a case of San Remo/Sardegna as in those cases, the name of the event changes. MNSZ (talk) 03:51, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Support Category's Revamp[edit]

Hi There!

I know that what I will propose will sound like much, but I see that articles like the 2012 World Rally Championship is overwhelmed by tables because of the supports championships, and no prose that states how those championships went. Only Tables. So I would propose to take the same treatment as the article from 2013 onward and separated all the supports championships in their own articles. I worked in an navigation box to describe was we would have at the end:

Besides on how much work seems to be, do you think it will help the reader to have all the championships and cups separated? MNSZ (talk) 16:20, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

@MNSZ — you know my position on this, but so that anyone reading this can follow along, the short version is yes. There are, however, a few tweaks that I would make here and there:
Firstly, I think we need to distinguish between "championships" and "cups" (or, to use my preferred term, "competitions"). A championship is any season-long tournament at the end of which a formal title is awarded; Sébastien Ogier, for example, is the 2016 World Drivers' Champion. Furthermore, "championship" is a category applied by the FIA once one of these season-long tournaments fulfils certain criteria. For example, a few years ago, V8 Supercars became known as "International V8 Supercars"—but they could not simply take the "International" prefix because it sounded good; to get it, they had to apply to the FIA and meet certain conditions first (for example, no races in Europe). Therefore, the FIA is the only body that can decide what is and what is not a championship, and we should structure articles accordingly.
Meanwhile, we also have "competitions". These are events that run alongside the championships but are scored separately and are not recognised by the FIA as outright championships. They include the WRC Trophy, 2-Litre Cup, R-GT Cup, Ladies' WRC and so on. In order to score points in these, crews must nominate for them separately. I feel that these should be separate to championships because all crews entered in a competition are eligible to score points in the championship by default, but not all crews entered in a championship are eligible to score points in the competition by default (I hope that's not too confusing). Separating them out does require some duplication of content across articles, but we already do that to some extent.
This is where we run into a bit of a paradox: a competition is a formally-structured tournament run alongside the championship. Therefore, they should not be included as part of the championship article because they are not part of the championship. However, there are questions about questions about the long-term sustainability of individual articles; only one competition has lasted longer than six years before being discontinued. With this in mind, I would propose a meta article for the season (which I have previously referred to as a "top-level article"). It is a place to cover everything which happens as a part of the season which is not a part of the championship(s). So, for 2017, we would have a 2017 in World Rallying article (the name could be changed), which would contain a brief overview of and links to 2017 World Rally Championship, the WRC-2, WRC-3 and J-WRC articles. But it would also contain specific details for the WRC Trophy and R-GT Cup as they are the competitions run alongside the championship. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 05:11, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
What if instead of doing a "yearly" article, we invert that idea and do "Competitions" article. In this case, for example, we would do an article for the WRC Trophy, or the Lady's cup, which will contain all of the seasons/competitions that run under that name, and we put a link to those articles in the main WRC season report.
It would look something like this:
Also tagging Tvx1 and Ivaneurope to have a bigger range of opinions. MNSZ (talk) 00:39, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
@MNSZ — Having one article that covers every running of a particular competition could work as well. It happens for some minor championships, like Formula 4, although I think that it's not the preferred method. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 01:48, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
IMO It's fine the way it is, but this proposal seems to be good. I'd change numerous things - I'd remove the "previous" section and merge it with their current forms. Example: for WRC-2 it would be S-WRC/WRC-2. Trouble is that until 2013 SWRC, PWRC and JWRC were win single article with the main WRC page. Ivaneurope (talk) 07:19, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
"Example: for WRC-2 it would be S-WRC/WRC-2"
The problem with that is the WRC-2 and S-WRC were run to different regulations. The WRC-2 is for Group R cars, while S-WRC was for Super 2000 cars. Super 2000s were initially re-homologated under Group R, but no new Super 2000s are being re-homologated. WRC-2 and S-WRC are completely different championships, and so we can't simply compress them together because it's convenient for us. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:53, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Should I start separating the articles for the Championship and leave the Cups for further discussion/analysis? MNSZ (talk) 15:47, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

User template/WP template, update pic[edit]

I think Template:User WikiProject World Rally needs a newer picture. Subaru is history. Does anyone know a good one? Pelmeen10 (talk) 06:28, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Also Template:WikiProject World Rally? Pelmeen10 (talk) 06:33, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Support categories, part 2[edit]

A recent discussion at 2017 World Rally Championship has been focusing on what to do with the WRC Trophy. It has been decided that this should be considered in a broader context of support categories that are not full championships in their own right. The history of rallying has contained several of these competitions, such as the 2-Litre Cup, WRC Academy, Drive DMACK Trophy, and the Super 1600 Cup among others. These have been handled fairly inconsistently in the past, and the lack of readily-available information and sources makes it difficult to cover them comprehensively. The discussion has been moved here to try and decide the best way to handle them. As I see it, there are three options:

1) Delete the content outright. Many of these competitions only have the raw data of results tables to substantiate them, and so their ability to satisfy notability guidelines is questionable at best.
2) Create season-specific articles, such as "2017 WRC Trophy", "2018 WRC Trophy", "2019 WRC Trophy" and so on and so forth. As pointed out, the data alone does not really satisfy notability guidelines, so creating these articles would require detailed research to bring them up to the standard.
3) Create an overview article. These would take the form of one article that houses all content related to the subject. So, an article called "FIA 2-Litre Cup" would cover details of the competition.

There is a fourth possibility that will no doubt be mentioned - to keep the content where it is. As far as I am concerned, that is not an option. The consensus at 2017 World Rally Championship clearly says that all content like the WRC Trophy, WRC Academy et al should be treated the same way. More to the point, it is quite separate to the main championship; the World Rally Championship titles were (and will be) awarded regardless of what happened in these support categories, so the main championship article is an inappropriate place for them to go.

I think option #3 is the best way forward. It allows us to cover the subject with the content that we have, introduces consistency across all of the competitions, and doesn't require a focus on results tables. All it would really require is expository text with links to the relevant championship articles, plus a summary table of the winners for all years that the competition was run. For example, it would look something like this:

Year Winning driver Winning co-driver Winning entrant Winning car
2019 United States Max Power United States Handsome B. Wonderful United States Homer Simpson Racing Powell Homer
2018 United States Phillip J. Fry Mexico Bender B. Rodriguez United States Planet Express WRC Planet Express Ship
2017 United States Bruce Wayne United States Dick Grayson United States Wayne Enterprises Racing Batmobile

Option #3 is the neatest, tidiest way to address the subject comprehensively without the article running afoul of Wikipedia policies.

-- PM, posting from public computer

I agree with option three, having in account that we are talking about the Trophies/Cups and not the World Championship which, as I think, they meet the enough notability to have their own article (it would be our mission as editors to have them as much as neat as possible). I leave the "table of content" that I think would be the visible exposition to understand the difference:
Nevertheless, I would not talk about the format per se until we decide which option will be carried out. MNSZ (talk) 20:46, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
@MNSZ — I'll leave the exact format of that template to you. Those templates don't show on mobile devices, so I don't have much to do with them. That said, after taking a quick look on the full site, I think it could be neater.
I think the more important issue is what to actually do with the content; the template is a secondary consideration at best. The content is what we need to focus on because it doesn't matter what the template looks like if we don't have an article to put it in. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:44, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
The fourth possibility is certainly an option. If that's what people prefer. It's not up to you to set the conditions of the outcome. Anyway, thinking about this there might even be a fifth possibility. Have one overview article for all the support categories together instead of one for each. Given how little importance some of them have and how short-lived some were, I think that would be a much more efficient way to present the content to our readers.Tvx1 14:05, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I think the more important issue is what to actually do with the content.
— User:Prisonermonkeys

That was what I say, we should first know what to do, and then get into the format. The template I posted it only so editors who gives their opinion would know which articles are we referring to.

Have one overview article for all the support categories together instead of one for each. Given how little importance some of them have and how short-lived some were, I think that would be a much more efficient way to present the content to our readers.
— User:Tvx1

I would not go with this option, as there are really large competitions that could use a little more of explaining, etc (Like the production cup, which has been run for 12 years, and had a second incarnation recently inside of the WRC-2 category). And if you put all of this in the same place as the S-1600 Cup (which had only 1 season), it will be a really unbalanced. As a reader and a editor I'm still going for Option 3. (My reader part prefers Option 2, but as an editor, I know it will be difficult to develop).
Whether or not it's balanced is entirely up to us. If we go with option five we should then make sure every competition gets the amount of coverage its due. We can provide the balance. The problem with option 3 is that we are still bound by the guidelines as to what can have a standalone article and what not. I'm not convinced every support championship that has ever been held has enough notability to merit a standalone article. Alternatively we could go for a compromise between options 3 and 5:Start from one article for all the support championships and create separate for those few championships which are notable enough and link to them from the overview article.Tvx1 20:46, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I'm fine with that. I'm really fine with any solution that removes them from articles that they're only tangentially related to. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 00:16, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

That's a good option. A lo of articles do that (games franchises for example, have a description of every game, but those with notability also have a link to their own article. Also in movies, etc). Sorry for not signing my previous comment. MNSZ (talk) 13:01, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
I like it, @MNSZ likes it and @Tvx1 likes it. We can leave the discussion open for a while in case anyone else wants to contribute, but if there is no more input to be had, I see no reason why we should not act on this as soon as possible. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 01:28, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Agree. Someone have an idea of how should be looking? at least the general article. I would say we should work on that, and then see which Cup/Trophy should be also extended in their own article. MNSZ (talk) 23:07, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
@MNSZ — I wouldn't worry too much about that. Personally, I'd just start editing. I've often found that the best articles write themselves, for want of a better term. I imagine that the article would have one section for each category, with prose outlining the specific details and a summary table showing the overall winners for each year. But at this point, anything more would be over-thinking it. As for the name, I would probably call it Support categories in the World Rally Championship. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:56, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I'm ready to move on this, but I would like to hear from @Tvx1 before I do. If he doesn't respond in the next, say, two days, then I think it's quite reasonable to assume he has no objections and to go ahead and create the article. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 11:51, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

@MNSZ — how does this sound as a draft for the article?
Since its inaugural season in 1973, the World Rally Championship has been supported by a series of additional categories. These categories, created and endorsed by the Federation International de l'Automobile (FIA)—the governing body of motorsport—were created to encourage participation from entries in classes that would otherwise be ineligible to score points in the World Championship or its primary feeder series, the World Rally Championship-2 and World Rally Championship-3. Over time, these support categories were created and changed in line with trends within the sport itself and motorsport as a whole.
And an example of a sub-section:
The WRC Trophy was first created in 2017 as a response to widespread technical changes in the World Rally Car category. These changes, which made the 2017 generation of World Rally Cars significantly faster than their predecessors meant that World Rally Cars built between 2011 and 2016 would be unable to directly compete with the newer models. Conversely, World Rally Cars built before 2017 would be faster than the Group R5 cars competing in the World Rally Championship-2. With further changes to the sporting regulations restricting the ability of privateer teams to enter 2017-specification World Rally Cars, the WRC Trophy was created to encourage privateer entries and enable older-model World Rally Cars to continue competing without threatening the position of the World Rally Championship-2 as the sport's premier feeder category. Under the WRC Trophy regulations, crews are eligible to enter up to seven rounds of the World Rally Championship, with their best six results counting towards their final points tally. WRC Trophy entrants are still eligible to score World Rally Championship points separately to the WRC Trophy.
It's not perfect, but I figure it's a good start. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:11, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
The Subsection looks ok to me. After the "general" paragraph, we should include another one with a little history, and one paragraph about the defunction.
A little example of What I mean (Using the DDFT):

(General Paragraph) The DDFT was created after M-Sport loosed his sponsorship for the WRC Academy. It was an effort between M-Sport and DMACK to create a first-step like championship for young drivers, and they apply their own scoring system that embraced every stage driven, to make sure that drivers will run at their best in every stage...

(History of the competition) The First Season, run in 2014, was competed over 5 European rallies, and saw a total of 12 Entries. Estonian Sander Parn won 3 of the 5 event, and claimed the championship....

(Closing paragraph) The Trophy was dissolved when M-SPORT reclaimed the sponsorship to run the now-named JWRC. Thus the majority of the of the structure of the DDFT was used in the current Junior WRC....

Obviously needs better development, but it's an example of what should have every sub-section (besides the previously mentioned by you table of past winners).
On the other hand, the first paragraph of the article, I would avoid talking about the WRC-2 and WRC-3, as we will be talking too about the Production Cup, which was run until 2001 when there where no support championship, and so on. And also, they are able to score points in the WRC. Just it's unlikely that they will win it. So I would leave it simply as a way to encourage different kind of drivers in differents regulated-car to enter the world championship, by adding a Cup or Trophy.
Also, about the name of the article, as I understand, we will not be talking about the support categories, but about the Cups that ARE NOT a championship/category. I'm not in my most creative day, but I would named "Support Cups in the World Rally Championship" or "Cups within the World Rally Championship". MNSZ (talk) 22:38, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
@MNSZ — we cannot call it the article "Support Cups in the World Rally Championship" because nowhere is the term "cups" used to refer to them. "Categories" works better because each competition is built for a category of car. Anyway, the time has come to start editing the article. We can start with World Rally Championship support categories and go from there. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:26, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

RFC on sports notability[edit]

An RFC has recently been started regarding a potential change to the notability guidelines for sportspeople. Please join in the conversation. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 23:09, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Removing statistics from previos WRC season articles[edit]

So recently statistics at 2010 and 2011 season articles were removed. They were actually updated after each rally back in 2010 and 2011. Do you have any opinions? Are they good summary or unnecessary? --Pelmeen10 (talk) 14:46, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

good summary --Kasper2006 (talk) 11:35, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Scottish, Welsh or British?[edit]

I've noticed some user changing the nationality on Nicky Grist to British, which, whilst true is rather vague. Colin McRae's nationality is explicitly listed as Scottish, and other articles on notable British people list their specific nationality, e.g. Charlotte Church who hails from the same country as Grist. Furthermore, McRae and Grist use their respective national flags as most of us may have observed. Any thoughts on this? Blake Gripling (talk) 04:58, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Elfyn Evans has both (Welsh and British) mentioned. Maybe that's the solution, even though I'd prefer Welsh (and Scottish). --Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:50, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
Evans appears to have competed under the British flag, and so did McRae and Grist at some point. Though Nicky did co-drove under the Welsh flag during his stint at Ford alongside Colin. Blake Gripling (talk) 22:44, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
McRae's nationality is listed as Scottish, because a rogue IP changed it and nobody really cared, despite of the note. I already reverted it to its original state. – Sabbatino (talk) 07:23, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Any consensus on this? If the driver or co-driver is clearly competing under a particular nationality, should that be taken into account or would the catch-all "British" designation be more appropriate? Blake Gripling (talk) 09:45, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
It all goes down to FIA. It lists McRae and Evans as British drivers in its archives. For example, here and here. The same situation applies to people like David Coulthard, Paul di Resta, Eddie Irvine or any other Scottish/Welsh/Northern Irish/English driver. Furthermore, neither Scotland or Wales are sovereign states and they do not have their own citizenships, which just makes it nationalistic when someone lists McRae or any other driver as Scottish. – Sabbatino (talk) 10:12, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Fine with me then. Blake Gripling (talk) 12:40, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
They all compete as British and they should be listed as such. That's what their passports say/said. The FIA uses passport nationalities in their World Championships. Their wins were/are greeted by the weaving of the Union Jack annd the playing of "God Save the Queen" and not "The Flower of Scotland" or "Mae Hen Wlad Fhy Nadhau". They were always listed as British here, but sometimes a nationalist passes by and changes. That should be reverted.Tvx1 16:41, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Page move proposal[edit]

A proposal to move some WRC articles has been made here. Any additional opinion is welcome.Tvx1 16:48, 29 December 2017 (UTC)