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Time for a simpler approach?[edit]

It seems like one of the primary issues with running the Signpost, and in getting it running again by interested editors, is that it's a huge amount of work. Perhaps - in the interests of getting issues out again - it would be best to trim out the unnecessary sections, simplify processes where possible, and then slowly add them back in at a later date. For what it's worth, I'd love to help but really don't have the time for at least another couple of months. Sam Walton (talk) 11:37, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

If we are willing to accept more ad hoc contributions that would simplify things some I think. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:50, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
Sam, I'll hold you to that! Tony (talk) 08:12, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
I would be supportive of that; one thing I have found a bit daunting about being a copyeditor and an occasional contributor for the last year and a half or so is the complexity of the process. Montanabw(talk) 03:12, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Sam, warmly agreed. From a reader's perspective, I'd prefer a fixed schedule with variable quality over a variable schedule.
You could combine user:gestumblindi's idea of borrowing the continuous-editing process from the Kurier: have a single page listing all submitted articles. Pull the latest from that list when making the regular summaries + "editions". [Here you can leave out any articles that are not time-sensitive and not yet ready]. A script can ping {recent authors, copyeditors, alpha-readers} a day before the new edition is set to come out.
And to Doc's point, ad hoc contribs are easy and enjoyable. A concise template w/ links to "edit | submit news" below each page header would be inviting. (More than the current Contribute link, possibly streamlining the Suggestions link + header-box.) – SJ + 19:57, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Publication process automation[edit]

My idea is to make a userscript rather than a bot. Its a bit hard to future-proof anything, other than not relying on anything currently marked as deprecated – but the advantage of a script rather than a bot is that any admin can edit it, rather than just the bot operator. And should it need to be adjusted in the future, there's tech-savy people at WP:VPT that can help with fixing scripts when there are breaking changes. I've started working on such a script at User:Evad37/SPS.js. There is quite a bit that the script needs to do (almost everything that is currently done manually)... I would guess that coding and testing it would be on the order of weeks, based on how long it took to code my last big scripting project. - Evad37 [talk] 07:33, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

I am not at all techie, but if someone can develop a userscript that can be used with relative ease, I'm for it. Montanabw(talk) 03:15, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
See User talk:Jarry1250/Archive 19#Porting a script onto labs:
Though keen to upgrade the publication bot if someone can tell me what needs doing (sorry, after a burst of activity over the New Year I went back to work and dropped out of some of those convos). - Jarry1250 [Vacation needed] 23:06, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Fantastic! Glad to see that it wasn't too hard. Updating the bot requires that DJ finish working out his fixes to the layout first, I think. ResMar 04:37, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
@Jarry1250: Are you still available to upgrade the publication bot if someone can tell you what needs doing?
@Resident Mario: Who is DJ? What fixes? What layout?
It would be a shame to have to spend on the order of weeks to reinvent this, if fixes can be relatively easily implemented. – wbm1058 (talk) 22:17, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
I think he meant TheDJ. Armbrust The Homunculus 00:57, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Just noting here that the script has been completed: User:Evad37/SPS.js. I did let Pete know on his talk page, but he hasn't been active on-wiki since. - Evad37 [talk] 02:26, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Great! I do still stand by my offer. I'm still really unclear in what way it is broken. - Jarry1250 [Vacation needed] 22:32, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

The next edition[edit]

I welcome the suggestions about general changes to the Signpost, and I'd like to continue those discussions; but in the immediate future, I think producing a new edition more or less in the mold of what we've been doing is the first priority. I am happy to work on that later this week (and could personally put some work in Thursday through Sunday, and could commit to publishing on Monday or perhaps earlier). Given the WMF board election schedule, earlier would be desirable, if we can publish something valuable and informative about the election.

With that in mind, can I solicit some perspectives on what the next edition should look like? Which of the various ideas and submissions that have come in over the past 2+ months are still worth pursuing, and which have become less relevant? What's the most important angle of the election to cover, and is there anyone willing to take a central role in assembling the needed information?

Let's use this section for specific suggestions (lists of sections to publish, links to worthwhile proposed/submitted content, offers to take on a story or a project, etc.). No problem with continuing more general discussions in other sections. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 05:27, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

The next edition should cover a) Featured content; at least a sampler b) Perhaps a single traffic report based on the past month (as opposed to four separate ones), presuming the stats can be generated that way Milowent? 3) A combined NAN, ITM and research summary, perhaps just a bulleted list with short blurbs and links. 4) The best of the remaining ideas as a headlined story or two -- where ARE the submissions that have come in over the last 2+ months, anyway? Montanabw(talk) 03:18, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Actually, I just updated the featured content report... so now everything is in it until the end of April. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:17, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
OK, here are a few specifics:
  • Thanks Armbrust, I'll review, and would be pleased if anybody else wants to do so as well.
  • Milowent and Serendipodous, I see there is some now-very-outdated info in Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Traffic report. What do you think is the best thing to do about Traffic for this upcoming edition?
  • There is nothing in Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/News and notes yet. I think the most vital thing is to have some info about the Board election, even if it's only basic announcement stuff. If anybody wants to work on that, please feel free to jump in.
  • There's some good content, primarily from Milowent, in Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/In the media, but it's pretty dated by now. Probably worth keeping, but we could use some suggestions of significant, more recent news pieces. I'd think coverage relating to Turkey and China would be important. We definitely need to link this response] to Guy Macon's op-ed.
  • An op-ed from Kaldari is queued up and ready to go, could probably use a close reading prior to publication, but there are no major issues.
  • There's a lot of good stuff in Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Recent research which I think has not yet been published anywhere. I very much regret this one, and apologize to Tbayer (WMF) for the unannounced lapse. Shall we publish this more or less as-is? I can give it a review if so, unless plans to publish it elsewhere have emerged in the meantime.
  • Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Technology report has a lot of good info; the lead story is now outdated, as it announces a test that has presumably now been run, and should be revised (if we run it) to report the results of the test.
-Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:17, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Just has the News and Notes section updated for the newest user groups. But over months we saw sth shocking related to the movement and persons related, from WMF's objection to Trump's immigrant act to de-recognition of WMHK (and later WMPH) to WikiTribune. But sorry that I'm not willing to take all the tasks for this section - English is not my first language, in my home project (zhwp), there're undue tasks (preparations for our annual writing contest), and I have nearly zero experience on Signpost prior to this. It may be hard for me to gather everything to make a readable piece. --Spring Roll Conan ( Talk · Contributions ) 10:50, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: Great to see you back in the saddle!
Agree with the focus on getting out the next issue as soon as possible. In my personal opinion, the most important thing is to revive the Signpost from this near-death experience and resume regular publication. And if that means having to delay some important news (that's already not so new anymore) until the subsequent issue, readers should be able to excuse it.
I had indeed already made preparations to publish the recent research section independently first, through our usual channels for the research newsletter. I was going to do that this week. But if publication here is imminent, I can wait until the weekend or Monday the latest. Last night I did some further work on the draft, and I can commit to having it in a publishable state tomorrow (Friday) evening PDT.
PS: I think this discussion is better suited for the Newsroom page; for now I will leave a note there pointing here.
Regards, Tbayer (WMF) (talk) 20:18, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
The section is now be ready to be published if needed (see also the Newsroom). Regards, Tbayer (WMF) (talk) 06:21, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
  • @Peteforsyth: Today is the last day to reasonably give notice about the Wikimedia Foundation election voting period ending 14 May. I am at hand today by email, Skype, Google Hangouts, or whatever else. I do not have the technical ability to publish The Signpost. If there is anyone with the technical ability, I would like to help them in publishing now. If the issue were nothing more than a few sentences encouraging people to vote then I think that would be fine, but I think we also have a little content ready to go now. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:59, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
  • During your fight against Lila Tretikov and others, you suggested you were representative of a large part of the community. Perhaps, this was not so true ? Pldx1 (talk) 15:07, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
@Pldx1: To whom are you speaking? Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:57, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Who is about to publish some "notice" as late as the 13 May about a 1–14 May election ? Great opinion makers ! Pldx1 (talk) 20:43, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
  • @Peteforsyth: I wrote an election notice draft at User:Bluerasberry/election_2017. If an issue runs in time, then please consider sharing it. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:57, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
    • Looks good Bluerasberry. I'll review more closely in a few hours, and should be able to publish a minimal edition within the next 12 hours. To anyone following along, I'd gladly accept further input or submissions in the meantime. Specifically, Tbayer (WMF) -- the Recent Research will certainly be part of it. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 18:39, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Update: the Board of Trustees elections are over. Let's await results then. --George Ho (talk) 03:13, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello all including @Peteforsyth:, I have revised the draft Traffic Report to include the most recent Top 10 we have prepared at WP:TOP25. There is no easy way to do "monthlong" reports based on our systems.--Milowenthasspoken 19:24, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
  • @Peteforsyth: I have added one more week to the featured content report... so now it contains exactly three months. Hopefully the Signpost will be published during the next week. Armbrust The Homunculus 23:28, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Assistance from Evad37[edit]

@Bluerasberry: While not a simple walk in the park, publication instructions are available at Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Coordination#Manual_process. Plus I've made a userscript to automate those steps. If you can get the writing and editing taken care of, I can hit the publish button when that's done. - Evad37 [talk] 00:20, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
@Evad37: Here are several articles. Some of them are tagged as needing updating, which I can get managed. Supposing those are updated and I get someone to play editor and greenlight them. Is that all you need?
Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:16, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
@Bluerasberry: That's most of what's needed. Each article also needs a title and blurb, and should be properly formatted per the style guideline/cheatsheet (especially non-regular sections, like the Op-Ed currently in the newsroom). - Evad37 [talk] 02:05, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
It would also help if I had mass-message sender user right on meta, and page mover user right here - Evad37 [talk] 02:12, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
Requested at meta:RFH and WP:RFP/PM - Evad37 [talk] 03:09, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
@Evad37: Thanks for your support. I do not want to put you in the position of having any obligation, but right now, it is helpful to have your publishing assistance, and I also would like to ask you for a voice conversation sometime in which you take me through the publication process so that I can watch it and understand it better. You now have pagemover rights.
One of the requirements of getting mass message rights is a confirmation of the need to have it. @Peteforsyth, Pldx1, Milowent, Armbrust, and Wbm1058: and anyone else who wishes to comment - could I ask any of you to comment at the meta review page about Evad37 getting message rights so that they can use an automated tool to deliver The Signpost to subscribers on their userpages? Comment on either or both of two points - about the need for someone to do this, and about the extent to which Evad37 seems likely to use the tool in accord with Wiki rules. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:16, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
With my Meta hat on, I think that conversation/comment here is quite suitable, no need to take comment to meta. Meta can reference the conversation. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:42, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
Both  Done now - Evad37 [talk] 00:16, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
@Bluerasberry: Also, I think Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Op-ed is ready now. Good luck! Kaldari (talk) 00:49, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Next edition: last steps[edit]

Thanks @Evad37:! The sections all look ready to publish, even if the research update is short; I've marked them as such. I think just one thing remains to be written: A two-paragraph summary of Global elections: A Board update and a reminder about the FDC. @George Ho: any interest in writing a short summary? It might be good to add a one-para "From the editors" inviting help? And @ProgrammingGeek: your help in general would be most welcome -- readers becoming contributors is how the Signpost has persisted. --– SJ +.

Update: I've created stubs for each of these topics. Now we really are close to publishing: decide whether or not to include a "from the editors" article, sanity-check the election piece (sorry, no Tony-quality FDC interviews!). – SJ + 00:12, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Should the election article go in News & Notes? That way we could include some brief notes like WP:POST/S#5k_featured_articles - Evad37 [talk] 02:09, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
As you like -- there was nothing else for N&N, so I used a more specific name. There's some value to getting out the notice about FDC elections before the end of the week. – SJ + 03:02, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
@Sj: I've added some in briefs to the elections article. It should probably be moved to the N&N page, with that page either WP:HISTMERGEd or just G6 deleted. - Evad37 [talk] 05:07, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Moved to N&N. More ce/layout love would be nice, but this looks ready to publish. Perhaps tomorrow morning, giving people a bit longer to weigh in? – SJ + 17:20, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Sounds good. I'll publish at around 02:00 UTC - Evad37 [talk] 23:34, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
@Evad37, OZOO, Armbrust, EpochFail, Piotrus, Tbayer (WMF), Milowent, and Kaldari: — you all have contributed to the current Signpost draft :) Anything missing before publication? Please take a final look.
Tech report's not quite finished with regards to bots, and I need to go through the tech news items for link formatting consistency - Evad37 [talk] 02:09, 8 June 2017 (UTC).  Done now - Evad37 [talk] 04:23, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
@Tony1, Pete Forsyth, Go Phightins!, and Gamaliel:: thoughts about the list of technical needs and a 'from the editors' note? It might also be nice to reach out to Ed, Romaine, Gestumblindi and editors of other wiki newsletters, to invite ideas for simplifying.
@Evad37, Kharkiv07, MusikAnimal, Jarry1250, and JoeHebda:: it seems there's a call for testing/maintaining a few scripted tasks - one-button publishing + archiving (done), filling draft articles w/ templates (mostly done?), pinging authors who have been regular contributors to a feature in the past

(Joe, can we add the Signpost to the queue for the activity-bot?),

Sorry for the belated response Sj, on this. Unfortunately I know nothing about "activity-bot". I have only a passing awareness that there are bots "out there" running various tasks. Regards, JoeHebda • (talk) 01:29, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

making sure enough people know how these systems work. It might be worth having a small permanent section here for technical & automation requests.

– SJ + 01:13, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Three of the automated tasks you ask for already exist – my script will do the publishing and archiving. And when reset, the newsroom will have buttons that create new articles already preloaded with the templates. - Evad37 [talk] 02:09, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Grand. Perhaps a short list of requests & current solutions can be in the header? – SJ + 03:01, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Links to all articles for the next issue:

(can someone explain why Wikipedia_Signpost/Next_issue redirects to userspace rather than being used for this sort of summary?)
WP:Wikipedia_Signpost/Next_issue needs to exist but have no content when transcluded so that the draft articles don't break. I've changed it to be a noincluded list of its subpages. - Evad37 [talk] 02:09, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Aha :) – SJ +
@Evad37: You're a hero. @Sj: Looking forward to seeing this on a more regular basis, I hope! And if so, I wish you the best of luck. If I can answer any questions, please don't hesitate to email me. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:22, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

What about Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Arbitration report, summarizing two cases of this year? The last update was 26 March. --George Ho (talk) 04:29, 8 June 2017 (UTC); Pinging GamerPro64. 13:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC) --Yes! Added. – SJ +

Final deadline 02:00 UTC[edit]

Publication time is at or about 02:00 UTC. Any final, last minute changes should be made now. - Evad37 [talk] 23:36, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Humour is nearly blank; pinging Barbara about this. Also, Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Recent research needs a blurb and confirmation for publication. --George Ho (talk) 00:55, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
I think /Humour should be left for next time, to give Barbara a proper chance to work on it - Evad37 [talk] 01:35, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
RR blurb done - Evad37 [talk] 01:43, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, I didn't realize that the deadline was so soon. Yes, please lets just wait until next time. I will also want other editors to get involved and want to contact them. I've been pretty busy fending off 3 AfD discussions on articles that I created about squirrels.
Best Regards,
Barbara (WVS)   21:01, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Reviving the Signpost[edit]

If we as a movement want a Signpost, it appears someone is going to need to take the bull by the horns to revive it. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:03, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

  • Lots of people are submitting content which is not getting published. Recruiting an editor to do editorial work is fairly easy; people step up for that. Right now the bottleneck is the tedious act of publication and the learning curve of understanding The Signpost's software. Only a few people know how to publish and there are no instructions published which can lead a volunteer to do this without guidance from someone who knows. I propose to separate the act of publishing to be a paid staff role and leave other parts, like editor and content creation, to volunteers. I drafted a grant request at meta:Grants:Project/bluerasberry/fund a Signpost publisher. I also think that there should be a user group for The Signpost. There was a user group application in 2015 at meta:Wikimedia user groups/Applications/The Signpost. That application process is now deprecated; a new team could apply at meta:Special:Contact/affcomusergroup. If there were a user group for The Signpost then I think that would make a case for getting funding for a publisher. If there were funding for a publisher then I think that volunteering for The Signpost would be fun for others involved, and that it would be much more stable and effective. I can support a little of this but I do not want to be too involved. I like submitting content and reading the paper, and I appreciate the community around the paper. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:34, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Simplifying & automating should be enough to start -- Evad's done much of that already. (Needed next: a similar script to clear and repopulate 'Next issue' drafts with the standard template) – SJ +

I'm incredibly grateful for Evad37's response to help. I haven't contributed to the Signpost but I've read it a lot, if anyone needs me to play editor give me a ping, I have editorial experience off-wiki. ProgrammingGeek talktome 14:47, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost died because it got organized to death and two key positions have been vacated. What we need is 1) an EIC who can oversee content 2) An editorial committee of staff who can discuss ideas and submissions, copyedit and do the gnoming work. 3) Writers who can commit to doing the regular content and 4) The tech piece to publish whatever gets created. This should not be brain surgery and we don't really need grants, committees or a user group to make it happen. We need 1 and 4. The folks at 2 and 3 already exist (I am one of them) but absent a wheel and a pilot, we are a bit adrift. Montanabw(talk)
@Montanabw, can #1 be replaced by a consensus of the issue's editors (#2)? And wouldn't Evad's script take care of #4, if that too couldn't be made to operate by the issue's editors (#2)? czar 21:33, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
All sound suggestions. – SJ + 22:55, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Let's ask for help right away, in the current update [or before, if help is needed getting it out]. Most interested contributors don't know of the need; I only realized once I went looking. Here's a 1st pass:

Needed now
  • publishing.
Needed soon
  • ways to mass-contact [active] editors. are there current tools for this?
  • more contributors to News & Notes [W/ only this + tech + random other pages each week, SIGN would still be v useful]
  • publishing & EIC: can be a group familiar w the process, standards, + how to hit 'publish'
  • process help: make simpler, consolidate process pages, update docs
  • template help: simpler overview for drafts, ways to draft a beat even if it's not going out in the next edition
  • ce & proofers: for quick feedback in the 24h before publication
  • other scripting/bot support: generating lists of active users (by interest?), automating syndicated sections
    • Hi, SJ. I am an authorized MassMessage Sender and can send messages to as many editor talk pages as are needed to recruit Signpost submissions, editors, etc. I have also worked under JoeHebda in the Tip of the Day department, and under Montanabw at Wikiconference North America 2016. Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 06:30, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
      • Hi @Checkingfax:, thanks for the offer. You might start by chatting with the contributors in each beat, to see if there's an obvious list of people to message. We could perhaps extract one from recent signpost editor-lists :) Also, see my thoughts in #What 'simpler' might look like: perhaps we can find ways to embed "making a Signpost-ready summary" into existing processes. @GaperPro64: I'd love to hear your thoughts on whether this could work for Arbitration. – SJ + 00:59, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Updated 'From the Editors'[edit]

A very brief letter from the editors, inviting help, would be nice. Something like:

From the editors – Help wanted!
Dear reader,
Our apologies for the recent hiatus. We love writing for you, but need your help to keep the Signpost publishing regularly. We are looking for help at all levels: editors and contributors, submitted news items and blurbs, and ideas to simplify the process. If you are interested, please join us. —{Evad37, OZOO, Armbrust, EpochFail, Piotrus, Tbayer, Milowent, Kaldari + all contributors to this edition}

Please edit mercilessly. – SJ + 22:16, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I was pinged about writing a short paragraph as part of "From the editors". The above passage asks an encouragement to write stuff regularly. However, the delay has been three to four months, indicating that Signpost may slowly losing its regularity anymore. Also, like Wikipedia, Signpost is voluntary, but even something so voluntary serves readers of English Wikipedia. Here's my rough draft:

From the editors – Status of Signpost, more volunteers welcome
Dearest to all, especially readers,
Our apologies for the three- or four-month hiatus. We love writing for you but would not be able to publish Signpost regularly as we have had in the past. However, this should not imply the end of Signpost. We can still write and then publish articles from time to time. To make up for the long hiatus, we would ask you te the publishing pace of Signpost back to regular basis as it has been. Nevertheless, we would welcome our own efforts too join us to write articles part- or full-time for Signpost. We would be gladder and happier if you would like to publish the Signpost either biannually, seasonally, monthly, or weekly to help Signpost survive. If you are interested, feel free to join us. —{Evad37, OZOO, Armbrust, EpochFail, Piotrus, Tbayer, Milowent, Kaldari + all contributors to this edition}

My writing above might not be up to par, but this represents how we should be respectful to others' wishes. George Ho (talk) 23:42, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Here's a proper draft you can edit directly; I incorporated your suggestions. – SJ + 00:12, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Ooh... Brilliant! I like your writing at that page better. ;) George Ho (talk) 00:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
I added two sentences. That's it. --George Ho (talk) 00:55, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok, the letter looks ready for final review. – SJ + 19:26, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

What 'simpler' could look like[edit]

I would get just as much joy out of a Signpost that mainly syndicated + summarized specialized reports from around the projects, with only two regular unique sections: News + Notes and Op-eds. The rest could be largely covered by

  • Syndicated newsletters: publishable as-is. (Tech, Research, Media*, Arbitration**)
    Published on whatever their natural schedule is. Optional: extra CE/layout/curation by Signpost.
  • Automated reports: scriptable summaries + stats. (Featured articles, Popular articles [Traffic]***, Stats?).
    Normally w/ editing and short summary by Signpost, but not needed in a crunch. Optional: Analysis, longer summary.
  • Special series: proposed and run by dedicated authors.

Syndicated articles would only go out in the Signpost when they had been published elsewhere. Automated reports could be published with minimal intervention, if noone had time to curate a summary [readers could improve a sparse summary if they desired]. Op-eds would appear when evailable, and could be queued up if too many arrived at once. This would guarantee a much lower minimal workload to publish an issue, while allowing for as many special items or series as desired.

* Cf. the internal media report. Does ComCom still produce / get it? Else this could be semi-automated. (And should search esp for mentions of smaller projects)
** ArbCom spends a huge amount of time communicating and summarizing. This could be as simple as agreeing on a page and format for a clerk to post terse updates.
*** NB: Traffic is currently both syndicated and an automated report w/summary. Perhaps Featured and Arbitration reports could be maintained as regular summaries in their own wikiprojects as well, then syndicated in The Signpost. – SJ + 19:26, 8 June 2017 (UTC)


I know some of the funniest places on Wikipedia. Is there a place for a short humorous essay once in a while?

Best Regards,
Barbara (WVS)   14:46, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
I too want to know if the Signpost could use something like this.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:43, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Too late. If it's from King Features, it's gone after a month.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:45, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
These sound like great ideas to me. Humorous essays: example? Comics: if you find a good CC comic artist that produces one-offs rather than a regular series, it would be a nice thing to try. – SJ + 22:25, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I hereby propose: That once/month article be authored by a cadre of editors who believe that there is still humor in wikipedia (And I don't mean scary clown movies). I volunteer to write and will attempt to recruit more editors to my cause. I know one very skilled, prolific, and genteel editor that likes to do stand up, or so they claim. So how does one go about putting this idea into action?

Best Regards,
Barbara (WVS)   22:59, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Here's the Submissions page; post this idea as an Opinion proposal, and link to a first example in your userspace. – SJ + 00:38, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Signpost - Recruitment ideas[edit]

Greetings, Here is a list of ideas that may help attract more help for The Signpost.

  • create Invitation to help at Signpost
  • create a banner ad for Signpost
see {{Wikipedia ads}}, a plain one is #17, for RFC.
  • create a Signpost Welcome box, for new contributors, participants.
  • create a Signpost writer Userbox, to recognize anyone whose article is published.
  • create a Signpost subpage to contain the above. For example: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Community
  • add Signpost Barnstar info {{The Signpost Barnstar}} from Barnstars to new subpage.

While not complete, these are being used for some of the wikiprojects that I have seen & might be useful here. Discussion is welcome. Regards, JoeHebda • (talk) 04:35, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia ads! Nice ideas. Subpage created. Please add details there: links to examples of each idea used in other wikiprojects? – SJ + 04:47, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sj, being Bold, I redirected the Community page into the Newsroom Community page and added a wikilink to the Navbox. Now proceeding with high hopes for a better Signpost future. Cheers, JoeHebda • (talk) 14:25, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

{{User Signpost writer}}. ProgrammingGeek talktome 19:11, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg This user contributes to The Signpost. You can too!
Thanks ProgrammingGeek for creating this userbox. Thank you for helping. Regards, JoeHebda • (talk) 14:41, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Note: most of above is no longer current having been transferred to the Newsroom Community page. Cheers! JoeHebda • (talk) 01:35, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Latest issue out[edit]

It looks good. Thanks so much, Evad. – SJ + 05:12, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Problem with transcluded latest issue[edit]

Just got my delivery – all red links. (As you probably all know) the talk page issue transcludes Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2017-06-09, in which you'll see all the links are broken. I'm going to see if I can figure out what's wrong with the markup, but I thought I'd post a note here first; maybe someone more familiar with the coding can fix it faster.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:24, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Move along, nothing to see here: Mz7 has already fixed it.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:26, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) There was an issue with the way the articles were linked at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2017-06-09. This should fix it. Purge your user talk pages to see the updates. Face-smile.svg Mz7 (talk) 02:28, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I've created redirects for all the redlink links, and Mz7 fixed the original template, but the redlinks will continue to display on cached page versions until they're regenerated. Quiddity (talk) 02:30, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Mine are all redlinks--just loaded it. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 02:37, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick fixes Mz7 and Quiddity – I did try to sort it out myself but wasn't quick enough, and got an edit conflict. - Evad37 [talk] 02:40, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@Evad37: Not the first time this has happened to the Signpost, if my memory serves... :-) Live and learn! Thanks for publishing the issue. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:42, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Email + other notifications[edit]

How are these sent out? That's how I used to get pinged about new issues. Is there also a script that sends out off-wiki social notifications? – SJ + 05:12, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

The details are towards the bottom of Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Coordination#Manual_process... but I don't have access to those accounts. I have sent an email to the WikimediaAnnounce-L moderators requesting a posting (can't post to it directly because it is a closed list) - Evad37 [talk] 05:26, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Subscribe inline[edit]

WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg23 June 2017 Explosion-155624 icon.svg

If anyone's interested, I made an inline subscription template a while back: a small link to the latest issue that works well on personal dashboard pages. It'll show a small "new" icon (Explosion-155624 icon.svg) for a week after the issue goes live, and will show the issue date for a month. (Afterwards it'll just show the Signpost logo.) Enjoy, czar 06:44, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Thankyou Czar for this Signpost subscription status box. I copied above section onto new Signpost Newsroom Community page. Cheers! JoeHebda • (talk) 02:35, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

No Issues since March[edit]

Has there been any issues since March? I have only received today's edition and no other editions since March. Simply south ...... time, department skies for just 11 years 22:03, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Alas no, see the From the editors note & discussions above. Warmly, – SJ + 00:53, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you editors for bringing Signpost back![edit]

Wikipedia just wasn't the same without it. Jason Quinn (talk) 10:03, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, thank you to the Signpost volunteers for all of your hard work! Tdslk (talk) 15:48, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
+1 to that. Publishing the signpost is a huge amount of work and much appreciated. It brings us as a community closer together. It provides accountability within our movement. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:00, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Wikiprojects interviewing themselves?[edit]

Jamesjpk, who seems quite heavily involved with WikiProject YouTube, has started Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/WikiProject report and is using interview desk 1. While I'm all for having more Wikiproject reports, I don't think it's a good idea for Wikiprojects to be effectively interviewing themselves. - Evad37 [talk] 04:57, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I am creating the article, as neutrally as I can, and am not participating in the interview itself. I am open to editors adding, and deleting content in the article. If anyone has any contributions they would like to make to the article, please do as Evad37 pointed out, is that I have a major COI Jamesjpk (talk) 05:03, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I am going to make it more clear that I am part of WikiProject YouTube in the draft if it helps. Jamesjpk (talk) 05:11, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I really think it would be better for someone without a COI to be writing it – for all the same sorts of reasoning as how WP:COI is treated in mainspace. Plus if we get an outside writer to do it, then you can also answer their questions. Can you hold off for a bit while we see what happens here? - Evad37 [talk] 05:41, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I don't think a member of a WikiProject should be interviewing other members, regardless of disclaimers. It's bad journalism and The Signpost doesn't benefit from having an advertorial masquerading as an interview. Chris Troutman (talk) 05:49, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Ok feel free to delete the article, just a test anyway. Jamesjpk (talk) 06:27, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
There are a few reasons for independent input. One is, of course, that we need variety in the sequence of editions. Another is that sometimes independent editorial advice is important. Interviewees should be apprised (beforehand) of the probable need to trim back, edit, possibly change the order, of their text, to produce a smooth read. I'd also really like greater variety in the type of questions asked, tailored to subject matter and interviewees—to avoid a sameness in the products and to occasionally seek greater depth than generic questions can elicit. I guess there's no other way than the alternating Q and A format ... since it's a lot more work to make it a narrative interview. Tony (talk) 08:05, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I don't see how WP:COI applies to an opinion piece. Shouldn't projects be free to write puff pierces promoting their project? Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:47, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Agree, as long as it is disclosed (and, I am sure they will try to be factual) - moreover, this would obviously be just one kind of format -- and then the Signpost should just ask project/members to be available for questions comments in the in the comment section (kind of interactive) interview. Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:57, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
For now, I have switched to another WikiProject to interview, that I have no COI with. Maybe if consensus is made, I could go back to the original idea. Jamesjpk (talk) 17:23, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Greeetings Evad37 and Jamesjpk, I have taken the liberty (being bold) and asked Megalibrarygirl to look into maybe writing the YouTube article. Thanks for all the communications. Regards, JoeHebda • (talk) 17:36, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@Evad37, Jamesjpk, and JoeHebda: Happy to help! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:49, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Evad37 and Jamesjpk and Megalibrarygirl, At the Newsroom Signpost Wikiproject Desk, Schedule section, I updated to indicate article WP Comics, and WP YouTube next. If that works for everyone, otherwise can be changed. Regards, JoeHebda • (talk) 17:58, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
@Evad37, Jamesjpk, and JoeHebda: Hi everyone! So if I understand correctly, the YouTube project has been interviewed or do you still need interviews to be conducted? If the interviews are already done, I can use them to write the article so there is no COI problem. Just want to make sure I'm on the same page as everyone. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:49, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Megalibrarygirl the interview was never conducted for WP:YouTube. Jamesjpk (talk) 23:50, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Jamesjpk Thanks! I'll start interviewing. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:53, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Next WikiProject Desk article[edit]

@Megalibrarygirl, Jamesjpk, and Evad37: Today, at Newsroom WP Desk I reserved workspace #2 for WikiProject YouTube interviews. Workspace #1 is reserved for WP Comics. Up to 8 WP interviews can be conducted simultaneously. Of these two, either one can "go first" for publishing. Regards, JoeHebda • (talk) 17:35, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Volunteers needed for next issue![edit]

It would be nice if the Signpost could get back into a regular schedule. This Friday will be two weeks since our last issue, but there's still plenty to be done before the next one can be published – writing, copyediting, or even just suggesting items we shouldn't be missing. See Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom#Article_status for what each draft article needs. - Evad37 [talk] 00:58, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Please discuss the next issue at the newsroom page
Evad37, I'd love to help but I have a few questions. Do you need an official position to contribute? What are best practices for copy-editing others' work? Is it a case of just editing the page or is there a more formal process, or expectation of discussion with original contributor or the relevant editor? What of attribution if a substantial edit needs to be made? —A L T E R C A R I   04:39, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
@Altercari: Thanks for asking these questions. Here are some answers that will hopefully help you and others; Montanabw might be able to provide further information. - Evad37 [talk] 06:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Do you need an official position to contribute? No, anyone can contribute. - Evad37 [talk] 06:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
What are best practices for copy-editing others' work? Pretty similar to WP:Basic copyediting and WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/How to, but just keep in mind the statement of purpose (i.e. these are news articles not encyclopedia articles), and that the Signpost has its own style guide. - Evad37 [talk] 06:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Is it a case of just editing the page or is there a more formal process, or expectation of discussion with original contributor or the relevant editor? In general you can be bold with copyediting, as long as you are careful not to change the meaning. If something is unclear or you're not sure about a particular edit, then discuss it with the original contributor, or with other editors at the newsroom. - Evad37 [talk] 06:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
What of attribution if a substantial edit needs to be made? For individual items (bullet points or paragraphs), you can assert authorship at the end of the piece. For more substantial contributions, you can add your name to the byline near the top of the article (in the {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Templates/Signpost-article-header-v2}} template) - Evad37 [talk] 06:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Thank you—brilliantly helpful!! —A L T E R C A R I   07:35, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── All, I've been pitching in on featured content. What's the content cutoff date for this issue? Using "from May 21 through June 18" cutoff as listed at top of page. @Evad37: as you are the de facto editor in charge, I humbly recommend that you give us a deadline for cleaning up sections, then ruthlessly omit portions that aren't ready for publication this week. - Bri (talk) 02:35, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

@Bri: Lets make the deadline 48 hours from now: 07:30 UTC on Friday (June 23rd). I think that should be enough time to make N&N, ITM, RR, Featured, Traffic, and Tech reports (possibly also the Wikicup report) publishable. There's also a proposed op-ed at Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Submissions#Facto_Post that needs to be reviewed. - Evad37 [talk] 07:30, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, boss :) If my math is right, in the Pacific time zone, that deadline is shortly after midnight Thursday evening. - Bri (talk) 07:35, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes, that's right. I've added a link above for easy timezone conversion - Evad37 [talk] 07:49, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Also: do comments on submissions go right on the submissions page? - Bri (talk) 07:46, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes, that's probably best, so it all gets archived together (plus it is automatically transcluded to the newsroom) - Evad37 [talk] 07:49, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
WP:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Submissions#Facto Post has been reviewed and revised, recommend accepting it for this issue. - Bri (talk) 21:07, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
@Evad37: Can you please give some specific suggestions as to what has to be done before we hit the deadline. Also, once the Signpost is back to normal running speed, I think that my work will become unnecessary and obsolete in the face of more experienced editors, so this is probably the last issue I will contribute to. It's been a blast, and thanks for all the experience. If you need my help again, just ping me or leave a message on my talk page. Bye. Eddie891 (talk) 17:56, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
@Eddie891: I've updated the article status section of the newsroom. And thanks for your help with this issue. Not sure if we will be back to (or approximating) normal by next issue, so if you want to stick around, even for just one section, that would be appreciated. - Evad37 [talk] 00:49, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
@Evad37: Who am I kidding? I'm addicted to writing articles in The Signpost. I'll stay 'till someone kicks me out. Eddie891 (talk) 01:09, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Why is my submisson link not working?[edit]

I fixed a link on the Submissons page for my submisson but the original bad link still appears in the Main Newsroom.22mikpau (talk) 16:35, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

It probably needs to be purged from the page cache. See WP:PURGE. Bri (talk) 17:59, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Wandering talkpage[edit]

Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Op-ed seems to be left over from the last edition ... I'm not sure what to do with it. Merge with Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2017-06-09/Op-ed maybe?? - Bri (talk) 22:51, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

@Bri: I think that is probably the thing to do. Alternatively you could just delete it. Eddie891 (talk) 00:19, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Comments moved. To prevent this sort of thing from happening again, I've been adding {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Templates/Use newsroom}} to draft articles' talk pages. - Evad37 [talk] 02:22, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

RSS problems[edit]

Thank you for bringing the RSS feed back; very nice. I am, however, getting multiple duplicates of every post—look like every single back post is pulled when a new post appears. Can someone look into that, please?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 26, 2017; 17:01 (UTC)

@Ezhiki: What URL are you using? It should be: which seems to be working at the moment. Sam Wilson 23:44, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
That's the one. I'm not saying it's not working (it is); it's just that I'm getting duplicates whenever a new post is published. When the 6/23 edition came out, for example, my RSS client pulled an additional copy of every post all the way back to February (I'm subscribed to receive one item per story).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 27, 2017; 13:54 (UTC)