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Statement of facts:

  • The content of an article being written is at the discretion of the writer.
  • The content of articles to be published is ultimately at the discretion of the editor(s)-in-chief.
  • When making significant changes or removals editor(s)-in-chief ought to speak with the writer as part of due process.
  • When this is with regards to material added on-deadline or past-deadline, however, prior consent is not always possible.
  • The removal in this case was minor and in no way impacted the general palatability of the article.
  • Continuing to argue over it will get us nowhere.

If we wish to argue about the issue of communication within the Signpost we can commence it here. ResMar 05:18, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

cf. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Coordination. ResMar 05:19, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Don't count on me. I agree with the part: The content of an article being written is at the discretion of the writer. The rest - no. Dead-lines occur all the time. If this is not a democratic process, but an announcement about that discussion forbidden, when it takes two seconds to leave a message - I can't agree. On Wikipedia where even admins actions can be discussed, and if editors are not respected but commanded as in the army - no. It was fun, until it lasted. I removed myself from the regular editors. And, a last minor point - nobody did answered the question. Still. The only thing someone told me was that an unknown woman thought it was sexist, without even knowing the context. And who knows, maybe I am a woman myself. If this is true you are loosing the one woman editor you had. Maybe it is true. Maybe it is not true. One never knows. Hafspajen (talk) 12:38, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Haf, just the appearance of sexism—even in passing, and even if only through a quick reading, not a close examination—is undesirable in a community that has a 10–90 gender split and at a time when males have had almost all of the social and economic power in society for a looooong time. Could you be a little flexible on this? I like the humorous vein of FC. Is that your doing? Tony (talk) 12:58, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Partly, yes. Hafspajen (talk) 18:41, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
With regards to sexism, who the hell cares. With regards to communication, we're an online newspaper, we don't do things the same way the rest of the Wikipedia publication does things. It's not that these things can't or shouldn't be discussed, it's that at the end of the day the editor(s)-in-chief have final say. ResMar 16:00, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
  • In this case, it wasn't even that we wanted the final say, we just didn't know that this change would be so controversial. We would have gladly engaged in a discussion of this change if we knew it would be so objectionable and if there was time before publication. We are, of course, willing to engage in that discussion now, as we have been for the last two days. Gamaliel (talk) 18:59, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
  • If it was taken so seriously that the the whole bit was cut, then it's serious enough that it should be able to explain it to me when I asked. I never got any strait answer, the issue was dismissed. If you are so afraid that someone *may* read sexism into something, then that is kind of makes my case. And if me - who possible, who knows - could even be a woman - or not - but if -and didn't thought it was sexist, probably it was not that sexist at all. Hafspajen (talk) 18:41, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
  • The issue was not dismissed; User:The ed17 and I spent a great deal of time yesterday discussing this issue with you. If you still have concerns, we are still willing to discuss this matter with you. User:Go Phightins! will also be contacting everyone involved with FC soon to see what we can do to improve the production of that section. Gamaliel (talk) 18:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Well, in that case if you are still listening to me: in my view this sentence was all about the woman having agency. I was recommending women to consider *choosing* young men or at least to *listen to* and *look at* them. The whole point of my sentence was - women *choose*. Most people find it very hard to think of a woman having agency - in their minds the woman gets mobbed by lots of men and the most she gets to do is decide how many times to say no. If you are used to thinking of the man as always doing the asking and not thinking about what the woman might want, maybe you could miss that that's what I *wrote* was chosing - a choice - one's independent capability or ability to act on one's will. For what it's worth, that is what I meant. Hafspajen (talk) 19:31, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
  • @Hafspajen: User:Go Phightins! is attempting to contact you to discuss this incident. Would you please email him? He cannot email you since you do not have email enabled on your Wikipedia account. Thank you. Gamaliel (talk) 20:20, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
There may be movement soon on getting FC set-up botted, but it'll take a while for the code to come together. ResMar 14:01, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
  • I think the whole damned thing is a tempest in a teapot, but here's my opinion anyways. First, AFAIK the general condemnation of the word "girls" is a predominantly American phenomenon (though if I'm mistaken, do be sure to let me know), and thus part of this is quite likely a cultural misunderstanding. (And last I checked, the word was being reclaimed by some circles, such as Riot grrrl, though I doubt it's that mainstream yet)
Second, if our benchmark is "may possibly be construed as sexist", that's way too low: even asking a woman the simple question "When are you getting married?" could be construed as enforcing gender roles by saying that a woman must be wed. "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)", by the same standard, could be understood as a sexist song. Yes, we have to draw a line, but "may be construed as (racist/sexist/homophobic/etc.)" is probably not it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:10, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

April Fool??[edit]

I completely disagree with the vulgar comments made by Adam in this week's FC. Wikipedia is not censored, but does it mean that you can say of scro*** of John Murray, 4th Earl of Dunmore and the like. -The Herald the joy of the LORDmy strength 16:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

You... do realize that the content itself regularly includes painted nudes and the like, right? Hell, this very week includes Sardines (Inside No. 9), which is far worse than anything in the issue in that respect. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:38, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
I am well aware of it Adam and have supported many paintings in FPC. But what is related to the Hafnium and Earl pictures? You can comment on the others of the kind which reveals the nudity, not on the completely unrelated ones. I again say..I DISAGREE...-The Herald the joy of the LORDmy strength 16:51, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
As a possible compromise, could we maybe allude to it instead of mentioning it outright? Gamaliel (talk) 17:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Even Wikitionary says so, which ought to be good. But with signpost, I will say as Gamaliel had it, allusion...-The Herald the joy of the LORDmy strength 17:19, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
It doesn't work as a joke - sporran scrotum are similar - if we don't use the word. Adam Cuerden (talk) 20:06, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Well. I don't see it as a problematic word, but I'm also not a large fan of gendered jokes. In any case, you may find it funnier to run with the very concept of a kilt, which is silly enough (in American culture, at least). Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:12, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
I live in Scotland. Wordplay's one thing.. Adam Cuerden (talk) 20:33, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
People on the streets of Edinburgh
Gosh, took me a while to got it. Um, saying to a Scottish that kilts are "silly", it's the same as saying saying to an American that the Statue of Liberty is silly, or to an Indian that Ghandi had a silly outfit. I am fine now, if puts me back on the redaction list I will edit again, and well, Hafnium as a sex- toy ... Face-grin.svg ..ahem .. well. Huh. You know. Hafspajen (talk) 12:59, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
  • At the Wedding of Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark, and Mary Donaldson, of the Danish prince, the future Danish king, the relatives of the bride, Mary McDonald were all wearing the McDonald clan's kilt at the wedding, when the guests from the bride's side were filmed there was an endless row of guys entering the reception and all guys were in kilts, actually. check out Mary's dad leading the bride in the church dressed in kilt- It is considered a serious full dress. Something the Scottish are very proud of. When the Danish Queen raised and held her speech at the wedding, saying she is welcoming the family of Mary into the Danish Royal family, Mary's dad held the next speech, in kilt, and said he is now welcoming in turn the Danish Royal Family into the members of the McDonald clan ... it is a serious thing, this, you know. Hafspajen (talk) 13:15, 31 March 2015 (UTC)



No traffic report this week?[edit]

I mean, it's done, it's right there. Serendipodous 15:43, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

We'll be running a non-April Fool's issue this evening with ITM, traffic report, and news. Gamaliel (talk) 15:52, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
@Serendipodous: I put a note in the newsroom and pinged Milowent elsewhere, but I should have pinged you as well. My apologies. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:27, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Serendipodous, thanks for catching. milo_went at yahoo.com is best email to reach me if anything urgent ever comes up. thanks.--Milowenthasspoken 16:53, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Double and triple delivery[edit]

Hi subscribers, if you've come here to ask why the Signpost was delivered two to three times in the last three hours, we're as mystified as you are. I've left a question at Wikipedia talk:Mass message senders#Multiple sends. Best, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 07:28, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

SVGs used on content guidance page[edit]

The SVG images used in Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Content guidance should be redone to sync the names with the rows in the graphics. The way they are being done now relies entirely on users' font settings not being very different from those of the editor who added (or last changed) these images. In my browser, the last names are slightly off in the editor-in-chief image and completely off in the regular-features image. Alternative images containing the names exist at File:Signpost Head Editor Timeline.svg and File:Signpost Articles Timeline.svg, but I suppose the font was judged too small to be readable. In that case, perhaps the SVGs with names could be simply converted to PNGs and the names replaced with larger versions. - dcljr (talk) 01:15, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

@Dcljr: I'm afraid I wasn't aware of this issue. The reason I implemented it this way is that it's more useful for readers for me to be able to hyperlink references and names and section names. I tested it on two different platforms, Mac and Windows, and didn't discover issues. Since this appears to be an issue with personal fontage preferences, which to be honest, can and will mess up almost any sufficiently intricate design, I've gone and forced conformance with what my default settings be default. How does it look from your end now? This sort of thing is used in-wiki at times: see for instance {{clade}}. If it still doesn't work right I'll poke around at the village pump. ResMar 03:16, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Despite my great dislike of hardcoded font settings, I have to admit it seems to be necessary in this case. Works for me now. - dcljr (talk) 03:33, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

RSS[edit]

The RSS version seems to be broken. Please, fix.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 10, 2015; 14:42 (UTC)

@Ezhiki: I sent Yuvipanda a message. ResMar 15:52, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks; appreciated. I wasn't sure if there was anyone who I could bug directly. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 10, 2015; 15:59 (UTC)
Might as well @YuviPanda (WMF) and Yuvipanda: too. ResMar 18:13, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Single page view link in mailing lists[edit]

Hi. In the last couple of issues, in the mailing list version, the link for the "Single page view" has been broken because of a missing underscore: https://i.imgur.com/CyXhLqP.png -- However, I can't figure out how that even got there, given that the automated output (Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Coordination#Mailing list output for this issue) just links to the redirect...?? (fwiw, I do appreciate having the exact-issue link, instead of the redirect, for when I occasionally get backlogged and want to read back-issues.) Hope that helps! Quiddity (talk) 16:57, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

@Quiddity: It's a known issue. Jarry wrote the automated tool back when and hasn't updated it to fix this issue. ResMar 21:16, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Disruption?[edit]

Did I spotted a disruption in the signpost at featured content portal? -The Herald the joy of the LORDmy strength 17:14, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Banner has been returned to the page, with noinclude this time to fix the erroneous transclusion. ResMar 17:34, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

And is it still our editor emeritus doing this? Is there, then, something wrong with bot's summary or is it ed himself initiating it? -The Herald the joy of the LORDmy strength 18:57, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

No, Gamaliel published this week. The bot is not maintained so the message has not been updated to reflect that. ResMar 20:21, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Single page version is broken[edit]

The newly posted single page version is broken. Can someone who knows how to set it up please have a look: I see red links and a template loop error. Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Single is not much better.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 22:48, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

OK, both seem fixed now (though I had to purge Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Single for it to pick up whatever had been changed). Thanks to whoever saw to it.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 23:57, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
We frequently find we have to purge the cache for the same reason. Something to do with the publishing bot, I think. Gamaliel (talk) 23:58, 23 April 2015 (UTC)