You're either with us, or against us

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The phrase "you're either with us, or against us" and similar variations are used to depict situations as being polarized and to force witnesses, bystanders, or others unaligned with some form of pre-existing conflict to either become allies of the speaking party or lose favor. The implied consequence of not joining the team effort is to be deemed an enemy.

Background[edit]

The statement generally is a descriptive statement identifying the beliefs of the speaker(s), and thus state a basic assumption, not a logical conclusion. It may also be interpreted as a speech act. It is sometimes interpreted as a splitting or a false dilemma, which is an informal fallacy.

Some see the statement as a way of persuading others to choose sides in a conflict which does not afford the luxury of neutrality.[1] Only when there is absolutely no middle ground or additional alternatives does the phrase hold validity as a logical conclusion. The phrases are a form of argumentation.[2]

Use of the phrase[edit]

Historical quotations[edit]

  • Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, in a speech discussing the Chief Committee for Political Education, told the assembled delegates that "It is with absolute frankness that we speak of this struggle of the proletariat; each man must choose between joining our side or the other side. Any attempt to avoid taking sides in this issue must end in fiasco."[3]
  • George Orwell wrote in his 1942 essay "Pacifism and the War", "If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, ‘he that is not with me is against me’. The idea that you can somehow remain aloof from and superior to the struggle, while living on food which British sailors have to risk their lives to bring you, is a bourgeois illusion bred of money and security."
  • Benito Mussolini declared in speeches across fascist Italy: "O con noi o contro di noi"—You're either with us or against us.[citation needed]
  • János Kádár, in an effort to unite Hungary after the Hungarian Revolution of 1956, announced in December 1961, "those who are not against us are with us."
  • Hillary Clinton said on September 13, 2001: "Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."[4]
  • President George W. Bush, in an address to a joint session of Congress on September 20, 2001 said, "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."[5]
  • Vic Toews Canadian Public Safety Minister said on February 13, 2012: ".. either stand with us or with the child pornographers" in response to questions from Quebec MP Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis) regarding extensive Privacy Commission concerns about 'warrant-less access' to all Canadian Internet and Cell phone accounts under the proposed legislation contained in bill C-30 "Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act" introduced the following day (February 14, 2012) in the House of Commons of Canada.[6][7][8]

In literature and popular culture[edit]

  • The Synoptic Gospels attribute the following quote to Jesus of Nazareth: "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters" (Matthew 12:30), but also "Whoever is not against us is for us" (Luke 9:50; Mark 9:40).[9]
  • In the movie Beauty and the Beast, Gaston tells fellow citizens of his village that "If you're not with us, you're against us," and thereafter locks up Belle and her father so he can hunt the Beast.
  • In the Dirty Harry movie Magnum Force, one of the suspects tells Harry Callahan, "Either you're for us or you're against us."
  • In the movie The Matrix, when Morpheus introduces the matrix to Neo using training program, he tells him, regarding to agents, that "If you are not one of us, you are one of them."
  • In the climax of the film Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, Darth Vader says to Obi-Wan Kenobi, "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy." Obi-Wan responds, "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."
  • Towards the end of Joseph Heller's Catch-22, Colonels Korn and Cathcart equate fighting for their country with fighting for the benefit of the two of them. Korn tells the protagonist Yossarian: "You're either for us or against your country. It's as simple as that." A reviewer of Catch-22 found this "flawless" logical indulgence by the commanding colonels to be comparable to Heller's parody of Charles Erwin Wilson's statement, often paraphrased as, "What's good for General Motors is good for the country".[10]
  • In a 1912 edition of John Bull's Other Island by George Bernard Shaw, an advertisement for The Clarion, a socialist newspaper, used the phrase to attract those interested in the debate on socialism.
  • In the movie Ben-Hur, the protagonist meets with his childhood friend Messala. He has barely said hello to Ben-Hur when he is dunning him for the names of those Jews who are speaking out against the Roman occupation. Ben-Hur refuses to act as informer, and Messala utters, "You're either with me or against me".
  • In Act III of Arthur Miller's The Crucible, Deputy Governor John Danforth states, "But you must understand, sir, that a person is either with this court or he must be counted against it, there is no road between."
  • A professional wrestling faction in the WWE known as the Nexus uses the slogan "You're either Nexus, or you're against us"
  • Another professional wrestling faction in the WWF known as the nWo uses the slogan "You're either with us, or you're against us"
  • Stephen Colbert has parodied the sentence on several occasions, for instance with "Either you are for the war [in Iraq] or you hate America" and "George W. Bush: great president or the greatest president?", after which he usually adds "It's that simple!"[11]
  • In the Smallville episode "Shattered", Lex Luthor tells Clark Kent, "You're either with me or against me Clark. Choose right now"
  • In the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2003 TV series episode "The Shredder Strikes, Part One" The Shredder tells the Turtles “Those who are not with me are against me, and I crush anyone who stands against me!" right before facing them for the first time.

See also[edit]

References[edit]

  1. ^ Orwell, George (1968). George Orwell: The Collected Essays, Journalism & Letters Volume 2 - My Country left or right. p. 226. 
  2. ^ Schiappa, Edward (1995). Warranting Assent: Case Studies in Argument Evaluation. State University of New York. p. 25. ISBN 0-7914-2363-8. 
  3. ^ [1] Speech Delivered At An All-Russia Conference Of Political Education Workers Of Gubernia and Uyezd Education Departments November 3, 1920
  4. ^ FreedomAgenda.com Quotes and Facts on Iraq
  5. ^ WhiteHouse.gov Address to a Joint Session of Congress and the American People.
  6. ^ [2] Hansard, No. 79 of the 41st Parliament (1st Session) of Canada
  7. ^ [3] Canadian Broadcasting Corp - surveillance critics siding with child porn: Toews
  8. ^ [4] Bill C30
  9. ^ New Revised Standard Version
  10. ^ H. Bruce Franklin (1988). War Stars: The Superweapon and the American Imagination. Oxford University Press. pp. 124–5. ISBN 0-19-506692-8. 
  11. ^ Walter Sinnott-Armstrong; Robert J. Fogelin (2009). Understanding Arguments: An Introduction to Informal Logic (8th ed.). Cengage Learning. p. 391. ISBN 978-0-495-60395-5. 

Further reading[edit]

  • Ajami, Fouad. "With Us or Against Us," New York Times Book Review 156.53817 (1/7/2007): 14-15.
  • Bethune, Brian. "Are You With Us or Against Us?" in Maclean's 119.45 (11/13/2006): 21.
  • "For us, or against us?" in Economist 376.8444 (9/17/2005): 44.
  • Seymour, Richard. "With us or against us--Iran talks tough," Middle East 364 (Feb2006): 18-19.
  • Singh, Anita Inder. "With Us or Against Us," World Today 61.8/9 (Aug/Sep2005): 25.
  • "With us or against us," Economist 385.8555 (11/17/2007): 42.
  • "You're Either With Us or Against Us," Maclean's 121.6 (3/10/2008): 23-29.
  • Bially Mattern, Janice. "Why Soft Power Isn't So Soft: Representational Force and the Sociolinguistic Construction of Attraction in World Politics." Millennium-Journal of International Studies 33, no. 3 (2005): 583-612.

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