User talk:Nickniko

J2-M172 in Georgians

I have already directed you to the data of Semino et al. 2000 and Wells et al. 2001, both of which have reported finding J2-M172 in high percentages of some Georgian samples (33% in the generic "Georgian" sample of Semino et al. 2000 and 72% in the specifically Kazbegi Georgian sample of Wells et al. 2001).

Quit playing dumb.

Ebizur (talk) 17:42, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Dear Ebizur, first of all i would persistently suggest you to WATCH YOUR MOUTH and have some common courtesy when posting on Wikipedia, otherwise you will be playing dumb all your life. Secondly, take a good look at my previous comment above before touching the keyboard. Now, back to business!!! Your Links: Semino ( http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/Science_2000_v290_p1155.pdf ) defines 33.3 units of Hlotype EU 9 in Georgians. If u takes a good look below that table, EU 9 consists of M89-T, M172-G! M89 is haplogroup G!!!! Wells ( http://www.pnas.org/content/98/18/10244.full.pdf ) on page 2 shows Svan Georgians with 92% M89 and Kazbegi Georgians with 72% M172. If you scroll to page 3 map you see Kazbegi Georgians with mostly M89!!!! So the source is bias and contradictious! ALSO, VERY, VERY, VERY important to note that population of kazbegi ( Stepantsminda ) is 1820 people, pretty mixed with historical tribes artificially exiled into Georgia for protecting northern gates, SO making assumption about 5 million Georgians based on 1820 Kazbegians is utter ignorance. On the other hand, I provided perfect source http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v16/n3/fig_tab/5201934f2.html#figure-title clearly stating in Georgians haplogroup G to be dominant and J around 10% only! I would recommend you thinking twice and providing cognitive answer before changing the articles! Thnx. Niko

M89 is an SNP that marks haplogroup F-M89. All subclades of haplogroups G, H, I, J, and K exhibit the M89 mutation. The simultaneous presence of both the M89 mutation, which is characteristic of haplogroup F, and the M172 mutation, which is characteristic of haplogroup J2, indicates that those "Eu9" Georgians, who comprise one third of Semino's total Georgian sample, belong to Y-DNA haplogroup J2. If you do not understand even the most basic structure of the phylogenetic tree of human Y-DNA, then everyone would appreciate it if you would refrain from editing Wikipedia articles about Y-DNA haplogroups. Thank you. Ebizur (talk) 22:01, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

By the way, haplogroup G in the paper by Semino et al. 2000 is described using that team's old nomenclature as "Eu11." Please check the list of Y-SNPs in the caption below Table 1 of Semino et al. 2000: "Eu11, M89-T, M201-T." In other words, these authors have labeled the haplogroup that is now known as J2-M172 as "Eu9," and they have labeled the haplogroup that is now known as G-M201 as "Eu11." Please note that they have reported finding J2-M172 (Eu9) in 33.3% of the sample that they have labeled as "Georgian," and they have reported finding G-M201 (Eu11) in 30.1% of the sample that they have labeled as "Georgian." Do I have to explain to you how 33.3% is greater than 30.1%? Ebizur (talk) 01:49, 12 August 2010 (UTC)