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:::The reference you mentioned lists an entry with the first building of "1885 Tenement, 48-52 Great Junction Street" saying it {{xt|[..] appears to be by 'Thomson' from Leith Dean of Guild records (possibly Archibald Thomson?)}}. If you click for details, you see that 48-52 Great Junction Street is the first of two buildings in that item, re. that specific part of the "Leith Improvement Scheme" ([http://www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/building_full.php?id=219877 here]). The other building is {{xt|2, Henderson Street}}. Does that help to clarify? <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 19:57, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
:::The reference you mentioned lists an entry with the first building of "1885 Tenement, 48-52 Great Junction Street" saying it {{xt|[..] appears to be by 'Thomson' from Leith Dean of Guild records (possibly Archibald Thomson?)}}. If you click for details, you see that 48-52 Great Junction Street is the first of two buildings in that item, re. that specific part of the "Leith Improvement Scheme" ([http://www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/building_full.php?id=219877 here]). The other building is {{xt|2, Henderson Street}}. Does that help to clarify? <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 19:57, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
::::*[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px|link=]] OK, thanks, I missed that. Date, length, hook ref all verified. Tweaked spelling and link in hook and it's good to go. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 20:22, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
::::*[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px|link=]] OK, thanks, I missed that. Date, length, hook ref all verified. Tweaked spelling and link in hook and it's good to go. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 20:22, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
::::*Doesn't this work better without a picture? [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 20:23, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on March 27

Hollingworth Magniac

Created by Philg88 (talk). Self nom at 11:38, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Reviewed Myth of Skanderbeg
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article length and dates are OK. The hook is a bit too long, but that could be pretty easily fixed by a rewrite. The big problem is that I can't find a source for the hook fact. I do see a source for the assertion that Jardine Matheson is Fortune 500-listed, but I don't see a source for the part about recruiting William Jardine and James Matheson to the firm. All elements of the hook fact need to be supported in the article by inline citations. --Orlady (talk) 03:47, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Good points. I will come up with an ALT later; I have a new source that states "the largest trading company in Asia" which is a bit more punchy. ► Philg88 ◄ Star.pngtalk 03:51, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that it was Hollingworth Magniac, not William Jardine and James Matheson, who in 1832 founded Jardine, Matheson and Company, a firm that would go on to become Asia's largest trading concern? ► Philg88 ◄ Star.pngtalk 06:46, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg That's a crisper hook, but I am continuing to have difficulty verifying both hooks. It's not clear from the article who founded Magniac & Co, which seems to be the legal predecessor of Jardine Matheson. I cannot determine whether you are saying that Hollingworth founded Magniac & Co, or whether he later formed a new partnership that became Jardine Matheson. (I note that the article Jardine Matheson Holdings does not give Hollingworth Magniac nearly as much credit as this article does.) Ref 4 does, however, indicate that the name was changed to Jardine Matheson in 1832. The article does not have very many inline citations, so I cannot determine where a lot of the information in the article comes from. It appears that much of the story is on the pages of the book "The Thistle and the Jade," which makes me think that some additional inline references to that book (ideally to specific pages) would help support the article and the hook. Please try adding inline citations so that there is a clearer indication of where all of the article content comes from... --Orlady (talk) 19:33, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
OK, will do. Magniac's role has been played down by JM for obvious reasons, but without dear old Hollingworth the future partners would never have met. In a nutshell, Magniac & Co took both Jardine and Matheson into his existing company. After he retired and went back to England, the new partners changed the firm's name to JM. ► Philg88 ◄ Star.pngtalk 00:36, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
I've added a link in the article to the online version of A business in risk: Jardine Matheson and the Hong Kong trading industry which shows the evolution of the firms involved. Let me know if it's still an issue. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ Star.pngtalk 00:59, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

───────────────────────── Symbol possible vote.svg There's still a problem with referencing in the article. Here's my analysis of the sourcing:

  • Reference 1 (offline) supports Hollingworth's life dates and the names of his wife and parents.
  • Reference 2 (the "thistle and jade" book) supports information about his father, the fact that John Reid became Austria's Chinese Consul, the fact that Charles Magniac was killed on a trip to Europe (I added that ref), and the fact that Hollingworth wanted to leave Asia (I also added that ref).
  • Reference 3 documents information about the establishment of Magniac, Smith & Co. The article also cites it as the source for the statement that Hollingworth searched for a senior partner and settled on Jardine, but I can't find that in the book. (Only part of the book is online, but search indicates that Hollingworth is mentioned on only 3 pages. I can see page 27, where he is discussed, and page 39, where his name is in a footnote. I can only see a snippet of search results from the third page, which is the index page that indicates he is mentioned on page 27. Accordingly, I don't believe this fact is supported by this book.)
  • Reference 4 documents the date when Jardine joined Magniac and Co., and it documents the dates of company name changes, but it doesn't mention Hollingworth nor document the details of who invited Jardine to join Magniac and Co.
  • Reference 5 (offline) documents Jardine Matheson being the largest trading company in Asia. Reference 6 documents its being listed in the Fortune 500.
  • Reference 7 documents the memorial to Hollingworth and his wife and references 7 and 8 document his art collection.

I can't identify the source(s) for most of the article's details about Hollingworth, his business activities, his brother Daniel, and his relationship to Jardine and Matheson. It's not necessary for sources to be online, but they do need to be cited. --Orlady (talk) 16:17, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

OK, I'm working on it ► Philg88 ◄ Star.pngtalk 02:42, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I've reworded some of the text and added more references but the hook fact will have to be tweaked accordingly. So I propose:

ALT2 ... that Hollingworth Magniac was in partnership with William Jardine and James Matheson before the pair changed the firm's name to Jardine Matheson and Company, which went on to become the largest trading company in Asia?
► Philg88 ◄ Star.pngtalk 01:39, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 30

Jacques Cauvin

Created by Paul Bedson (talk). Self nom at 22:05, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Symbol question.svgHook verified, length and age OK - almost ready to go. There are, however, some large sections of text for which it would be good to have some references.Ivolocy (talk) 21:46, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg This article is not DYK-ready. There are five references, all used once each and three of which appear at the end of the one-line lede. Most of the article is unreferenced and there is an enormous list of published works by the subject. With such an output, a few highlights are sufficient. In order to be approved for DYK, there must be at least one reference per paragraph. The lede should be a rough description of the article and therefore generally does not contain references, which are instead used in the body of the article, where the real information is detailed.
Also, I think that hook could use some work. It's very long, doesn't seem quite grammatical — "considered the neolithic revolution to have moved into Anatolia" would be better, no? It's currently at 199 characters, which means it's already about maximum length.
You are encouraged to work on the article and add the necessary references. Marrante (talk) 07:57, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
I have referenced it better and shortened the hook and bibliography as suggested. Paul Bedson (talk) 01:42, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure what the standard is for biographies, but I think you should try and reduce the bibliography to his 10-15 most important works. And I would certainly drop all translations.--Zoeperkoe (talk) 02:48, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
I've reduced the article to books only. Which has totally ruined the page as a unique English reference tool for Cauvin's work. I guess there are powers out there that want the prehistory of the Lebanon to remain hidden (for now). Hopefully it's DYK-able now though. Paul Bedson (talk) 19:09, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Prompted by the comments here I've tracked down Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lists of works), which states that Complete lists of works, appropriately sourced to reliable scholarship (WP:V), are encouraged, particularly when such lists are not already freely available on the internet. If the list has a separate article, a simplified version should also be provided in the main article. Since the list of works for Cauvin was long, I would suggest that, subject to providing sources, a separate list may be appropriate in this case, rather than wholesale deletion. For example see List of scientific publications by Albert Einstein. Ivolocy (talk) 18:52, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
My personal concern remains that I would like to see more of the text linked to references. The first main paragraph, for example, starts by taking about 1959 and ends in 1976, but has only one link to a reference for the entire paragraph. It may simply be that all of this paragraph is contained in this since reference; if so, then personally I would add links to this single reference after each major point, rather than just once at the end. If not, then links to the other sources would be appropriate. Ivolocy (talk) 19:06, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I've linked more of the text to the 2 primary sources used. Hope that helps clear things up. Paul Bedsontalk 03:20, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 31

Jens Joneleit

head of Jens Joneleit at the microphone, receiving the Kulturpreis in Rodgau

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 13:24, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg I have questions about length here. Over half of the "Professional Career" section is a long quote, and the "Operas" section reads like an annotated list, which is followed by a table. There is nothing about his life either, not even education. Seems incomplete.Thelmadatter (talk) 01:34, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
  • I can add, but not this weekend. He will never be "complete", though, too prolific. You may have noticed that I created 11 composer articles (for the Munich Biennale article) one day which all met the DYK deadline the same day ..., --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:22, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
  • I added, with a smile the translation of his remark about influences on his music being reduced to certain teachers' names, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
  • By complete, I dont mean a complete list of his works, the most important are fine. But a biography should be more than a list of works. Can you add a short section on his training/educational background and life outside of his work?Thelmadatter (talk) 15:57, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • I created several composers' articles without mentioning their life outside of their work, thinking that's their private matter. By complete I don't mean titles, but aspects of his music. The article is more detailed than the German one on him, and more detailed than the one on a composer on the Main page right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Perhaps, but the fact that other articles slipped through a review is not a good defense. Luckily this composer seems notable enough that it was not hard to find at least, say, the universities where he graduated. That is quite reasonable for a biography. On the other hand, at least in the US, having exact days of birth for a living person is more likely to be a privacy matter. The only other detail that could be added is that he seems to be a painter too as well as composer. I took the liberty of adding the universities (they were hinted at by giving the cities). Also did a small expansion to early life that seemed generally available. Good enough to go now, but would suggest a new hook below. Barenboim is certainly more famous, but the fact the director died might make a better hook:
ALT1 ... that director Christoph Schlingensief died before the premier of the opera Metanoia. Über das Denken hinaus, composed by Jens Joneleit (pictured)?
Or something like that. I do not speak German, it sounds like they went ahead and did not hire a new director to redo the staging, which seems unusual. W Nowicki (talk) 18:26, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Your additions are valuable, thank you!!! I don't speak French, so could not translate that. Your German reading was right, they did not hire another one. - But the hook doesn't make clear that Schlingensief had anything to do with the opera, director meaning so many different things, right? Next try (also trying to keep Barenboim who is internationally known and who had initiated the composition of the opera):
ALT2 ... that Christoph Schlingensief died before he could stage in Berlin the premiere of the opera Metanoia. Über das Denken hinaus, composed by Jens Joneleit (pictured) and conducted by Daniel Barenboim? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Gerd Kühr

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 10:03, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Comment. There are some grammatical issues which lead me to be unsure of what the hook is trying to say. Can it be better phrased as
ALT1: that the libretto to Gerd Kühr's opera Stallerhof was written by playwright Franz Xaver Kroetz? (I'm not sure what the deal is with the "taboo topic." What is the opera actually about?) Roscelese (talkcontribs) 19:20, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
  • I formatted ALT1, but only to reject it. Many opera librettos were written by playwrights, that is not so special. But in this case, the playwright turned his own successful play into a libretto. I hope for suggestions to say so. Taboo: the ref, a review, says: "I chanced at Lucerne upon Stallerhof, based upon a dialect play that caused a furore in 1972 because of its stark and shocking treatment of taboo subject matter". I leave it to the reader to find out more, the review is quite explicit, but that is not the topic of the article about the composer, just meant to create curiosity. - In addition: there is a German Wikipedia article on the play, mentioning the opera. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
  • How about:
ALT2: that playwright Franz Xaver Kroetz turned his controversial play Stallerhof into an opera libretto for Gerd Kühr, which premiered at the Munich Biennale?
It just sounds weird to say "it's a taboo topic" without saying what the topic is, but it's slightly less awkwardly phrased this way. Roscelese (talkcontribs) 03:58, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree about the unspecified taboo subject. Creating curiosity is fine, as long as it's satisfied in the article (which it isn't (wasn't)). I looked into it, thinking I could clarify the sentence, but my German isn't up to it: the servant befriends the girl who may be mentally deficient (but can do the mental tests when her parents aren't watching). When a sexual relationship develops, the parents kill the servant's dog .. so where exactly is the taboo? Is the girl really mentally deficient? I couldn't work it out. An alternate hook might be to say that Kühr's first two operas were based on subjects highly controversial in his native Catholic Austria .. or some such. Here's the subject of his second opera:
The play "Death and the Devil" by Peter Turrini caused a violent controversial discussion in 1990 on the occasion of the first performance in Vienna's Burgtheater: the story of the pastor Bley, "the sin can no longer understand", is a critical examination of the Catholic Church, and the way that they deal with guilt and sin. Bley does finally - a modern "Passion Play" - and taking the role of Jesus Christ, dies a sacrificial death nailed to the cross. (sorry, Google translation, with interpolations/ guesses)
On the downside, it needs a bit of work to expand the work descriptions, on the upside we could probably get 5000+ accesses for that hook (if that's important to the Opera project) ... Scarabocchio (talk) 20:33, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
PS. ALT2 is fine. Scarabocchio (talk) 20:38, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Without need for google translate a click on ref 4 shows: "... Franz-Xaver Kroetz 's Stallerhof deals with stunted emotions in a dysfunctional, impoverished rural home. A small farmer is unable to relate to his wife, nor can either of them do so in any positive way to their 14 yr old mentally retarded daughter, Beppi. The central characters are Sepp (Johannes Kosters), a lonely and sexually frustrated seasonal worker, who rapes and befriends Beppi (Elisabeth Rolli), their developing mutual friendship showing the only tenderness on display. That illicit relationship is, of course, doomed. / The girl's pregnancy leads to Sepp's eviction from the household and to Beppi's father killing Sepp's dog (his only steady companion) as a warning in case he should show up again. Murder of the bastard baby, and even that of the erring girl herself, is considered. An abortion is prepared, but the mother finds the procedure too distasteful to complete and father muses that he had always wanted a son - -. There is a vein of fantasy alongside this sordid reality. / The final scene has Beppi's pregnancy going to term and delivery, with the child/mother calling for Mama, just as does the naughty child at the end of Ravel's L'enfant et les sortileges. ..." I think this should not be part of the article on the composer, but is easily accessible. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 2

Shoot to Kill (1990 TV drama)

Created by Jheald (talk). Self nom at 14:15, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Comment Sorry it's a couple of days late. I still have the plot summary to do, but I wanted to at least get it into the process. Jheald (talk) 14:26, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
    • Plot summary now done. Might use a little more polishing, but it's essentially there. A little on the long side, so I have put it in a box. Jheald (talk) 14:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Reviewed Supernatural (Des'ree album). [1].
  • Comment Shouldn't that be "had disappeared" instead of "were disappeared"? -- Nczempin (talk) 14:33, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
    • Well, it is in quotes, and that it how it was actually said per the original. I suppose it is a slight grammatic stretch to be using "disappeared" as an adjective, rather than part of a verb; but if anything to me that slight unorthodoxy in the use of language adds to the vividness of the quote, and thence also the hook. Jheald (talk) 15:44, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
      • The were that makes it wrong is not inside the quotes. How about something like "were said to be" (or use the active voice somehow) and then the quote? -- Nczempin (talk) 15:53, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
        • The were is there in the original source.[2] If you like, we can move the opening quote mark back one word, though I think makes has more impact as it is. Jheald (talk) 16:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
          • Putting it inside at least makes it clear that the error is in the original, but the question is: Do you want to draw attention to the grammar or to the interesting fact? I would avoid using the direct quote and state the facts. -- Nczempin (talk) 16:25, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
            • I don't think it is an "error", as you put it. To me it's within the natural idiomatic flexibility that's accommodated in English, certainly as spoken and also as quoted. But this may be a case of different regional/national attitudes to grammatical flexibility. In my view, and it may be more of a UK-centred English view, a certain amount of the right kind of grammatical flexibility, when it naturally goes with the language, is allowable and even welcome if it allows an idea to be communicated more punchily and effectively. This kind of flexibility and license is even ultimately how languages evolve. I honestly don't have a problem with the use of "disappeared" as a quasi-adjective here, given its position in this particular sentence. Jheald (talk) 16:38, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
              • [edit conflict] "were dead, [were] disappeared, or [were] not allowed to talk", if not incorrect (if you allow the stretch that someone is disappeared; I would have no objection to someone using it in spoken English, but I wouldn't expect it in a reputable newspaper, journal or book.), it simply draws attention to itself, and I don't think that was your intention. I speak and write British English almost exclusively BTW (so that can't be it). -- Nczempin (talk) 16:54, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
              • In the end, you can phrase the hook in whatever way you like; I was just trying to help (and not formally reviewing it). I am leaving this page now for a while, for other reasons; if you want to continue, you can come to my talk page. I'm fine either way. -- Nczempin (talk) 17:51, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that Shoot to Kill (1990) had to be made as a drama documentary because its subjects had either been shot by the RUC, been given new identities, or were forbidden to talk by the Official Secrets Act?
    ALT1 should answer Nczempin's objection above. I have no particular preference between Original or ALT1 -- I'm a terrible judge as to what makes things more click-worthy, and usually jump the wrong way. ALT1 has more explicit, less Easter-Egg-ish links; but it is longer, so YMMV. Jheald (talk) 14:19, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 3

Warner's Hotel, Lyttelton Times Building

b&w photo of inner city buildings

photo of inner city buildings

  • Reviewed: Harness racing in Finland ([3])
  • Comment: The Warner's Hotel article isn't quite finished yet (needs another section, infobox plus photos), but it meets DYK criteria by now and I'll have to get the nomination in, so that the Lyttelton Times Building article doesn't get too old. Update – the article is finished for the time being, but I haven't been able to get a modern photo of Warner's as yet, and it's located within the earthquake no go zone, so I can't take one myself.

Created by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 20:16, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Length, history and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 00:05, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
I've found a modern photo that shows both buildings and the gap between them. I've updated the Warner's Hotel article accordingly. Schwede66 19:16, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Ädelfors folkhögskola

expanded 5x by --BabbaQ (talk) 13:09, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

  • I'm not so sure. Teaching people with special needs is teaching people with difficulties or disabilities, so the hook is saying the same thing twice. How about:
Alt 1: that the special needs school, Älderfors folk-school in Holsbybrunn, Sweden, teaches classes such as computer game design and the Russian language? Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 22:15, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I will support the original hook. A folkhögskola is not a per say special needs school.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:19, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg The article is an unsuccessful translation from Swedish to English. Extensive copy-editing for grammar and context is needed.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 13:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Fixes made.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:48, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg I rewrote the repeating and awkward prose parts, but the article is too short and dull for DYK. I guess this can be improved, thus good luck. PS. All material is taken from the school's webpage, which is Ok for basic facts, but in general, this is sub-standard referencing. Materialscientist (talk) 23:52, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
The good news is that the prose has improved to English quality. Thanks, BabbaQ and MaterialScientist! (I did a bit more copy-editing, just now.)
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The bad news is that the article is based on primary sources closely associated with the source, the school itself and the folk-school movement. Any notable school should have no trouble getting some coverage from a local Swedish paper. Thus, the article is not eligible until it gets reliable, independent sources. Another problem is that the article is barely at 1500 characters, as flagged by Materialscientist.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 21:23, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 4

Henderson Street

Stone-carved head of Neptune on the facade of a building

  • Comment: This is almost 8 days since move to live - but I'm asking for consideration for DYK, because: it is the first article by Lisaseventyfive (talk · contribs), it was moved live on 4 April by them [4], and since then I, and others, have helped work on it. I should have thought of DYK before, but forgot until now. So, please, consider this slightly late nom. Thanks. Also note: ThatPeskyCommoner (talk · contribs) helped me greatly, in coming up with this suggestion. It's a pity that (as far as I know) DYK doesn't allow 'co nominator'.

Created by Lisaseventyfive (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 16:58, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg The page is tagged as an orphan and also as an article that needs to be wikified with more internal links. Yoninah (talk) 19:42, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I have de-orphaned it now.
I have also removed the 'wikify' tag - which I myself had added several days ago; I think that the edits made by ThatPeskyCommoner (talk · contribs) and the author, and myself, mean that the wiki links are now OK.
Please let me know if there are any other concerns. And thanks for looking.  Chzz  ►  20:15, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • I spent the last 2 hours going through the articles and expanding all the bare URL references. I found that a lot of the referencing is based on blogs and photos; I removed some and added "citation needed" tags. Yoninah (talk) 22:38, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Thank you again for your attention. I will do all that I can to resolve the outstanding concerns ASAP. (Please note, I did not write the article; I'm merely trying to help make it better)  Chzz  ►  22:47, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Doing...  Chzz  ►  22:47, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I have tried to address the issues - I've added references to 'citation required' tags, where I could find appropriate ones, and I've removed the other claims. I've dealt with the dead links. Best,  Chzz  ►  16:38, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Thank you. The refs are all straightened out; now to the hook. I found the hook fact in footnote #12, but when I was looking in footnote #13, I noticed that the "possible" attribution to Archibald Thomson is not at all mentioned in the source. The more I work on this article, the less faith I have in its verifiability. Yoninah (talk) 19:41, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Remember that DYK articles don't have to be perfect; GA or FA status/level is not required for DYK! --KFP (contact | edits) 19:49, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
The reference you mentioned lists an entry with the first building of "1885 Tenement, 48-52 Great Junction Street" saying it [..] appears to be by 'Thomson' from Leith Dean of Guild records (possibly Archibald Thomson?). If you click for details, you see that 48-52 Great Junction Street is the first of two buildings in that item, re. that specific part of the "Leith Improvement Scheme" (here). The other building is 2, Henderson Street. Does that help to clarify?  Chzz  ►  19:57, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg OK, thanks, I missed that. Date, length, hook ref all verified. Tweaked spelling and link in hook and it's good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:22, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Doesn't this work better without a picture? Yoninah (talk) 20:23, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Long Island serial killer

--BabbaQ (talk) 14:51, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Sources given do not mention that first victim was found in 2007.
So removed the unsourced.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:38, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
  • an x serial killer is a y serial killer? Just say something like the unidentified ...serial killer is believed... -- Nczempin (talk) 18:02, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
How about:
ALT1:... that an unidentified suspect, dubbed the Long Island serial killer, is believed to have murdered as many as eight people and dumped their bodies along the Ocean Parkway in New York? OCNative (talk) 02:23, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Pneumatic Institution

Created by Nczempin (talk). Self nom at 08:23, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Reviewed: None, first ever DYK.
What's with all the Easter egg links? The one I find most questionable is the "a president": a president of what? if this aims to get clicks because readers may think it's a "president of the US" or something, then it doesn't really seem okay. Banks' wasn't a political office, as the hook seems to suggest - he was President of the Royal Society. Dahn (talk) 15:03, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
They were all done on purpose, to make the reader curious about what's behind them. I seem to recall having seen several DYKs like that (the only ones usually that drew my attention), so I wasn't aware that they violate some guideline. Please point me to the place that says that this style is discouraged. The hook doesn't suggest a political office; a PRS is a president. -- Nczempin (talk) 15:13, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
And to quote from the DYK guidelines: When you write the DYK item (or "hook") please make it "hooky", that is, short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article. An interesting hook is more likely to draw in a variety of readers. -- Nczempin (talk) 15:18, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
In case you didn't realize, Lady Spencer was also a deliberate mislead. -- Nczempin (talk) 15:22, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Punchy, yes. Catchy, yes. But misleading? We only use this kind of hook on April 1. Are you sure you're not referring to those April Fool hooks as your precedent? Dahn (talk) 20:15, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
None of the hook's claims are wrong; they are factually accurate. Perhaps hallucinogenic drugs is not entirely accurate, I am not an expert in these things. Recreational drugs or party drugs would perhaps be more precise, and backed up by sources. I am only misleading people who think the only presidents in the world are US government ones, and perhaps the fewer people who equate Lady Spencer with Diana, and I am not doing it in a malicious way. Actually inhaled is an obvious reference (and quite harmless; honni soit qui mal y pense to connect that to the other president), just as it is an unassailable fact, and a surprising and perhaps important piece of medical history, that in its beginnings, some researchers actually tried some of the subjects of their study. I still haven't found the part of the guidelines that says that DYKs cannot be a humorous, even outside April Fools (the probability that I have seen only those is extremely low, probably less than 1/365). So unless you point me to it, can we please continue with the regular day-to-day work here now? If you have an alternate proposal for the hook, let's hear it. -- Nczempin (talk) 20:40, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
──────────ALT 1: ... that inventor James Watt tried to convince the Royal Society to support an establishment where nitrous oxide was administered for free, and that another inventor actually inhaled?
I'm sure several things can be worked out that are also interesting without ambivalence (the article is interesting!); the alt is just one option derived from your original hook. Regards, Dahn (talk) 08:47, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Additional_rules#Rules_of_thumb_for_preparing_updates: J7: Consider picking at least one funny or quirky hook if there is one available and putting it in the last (bottom) slot of the update. Just as serious news programs end on an upbeat note to bring viewers back next time, ending on an upbeat or quirky note rounds an update off nicely and encourages readers to come back next time for more. Personally, I'd like to see more quirky or funny hooks, including (non-malicious) misdirects. -- Nczempin (talk) 09:18, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Well, I see that is a rule of thumb for reviewers, not for writing hooks. In my opinion, it is rather inapplicable. But in any case, I think the nuance here is that the hook itself needs to be about something fun, not that it be about something serious made to look funny. (Actually, your article is already fun and quirky without misleading people.) Dahn (talk) 12:16, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Funny and quirky hook is a direct quote, I don't see where it says what the article needs to be about. If it is a rule of thumb for reviewers, how will they ever come across them if no-one is ever supposed to write them? You are also contradicting yourself if you need the subject of the article to be fun and or quirky (which you just said it is). You think the rule is inapplicable, but don't let us know why. You seem to strongly believe that the hook is inappropriate, but offer no guidelines, only your opinion. It fine for you to offer your opinion, but please respect that others may have a different one, and that your opinion is not grounds enough to reject the hook. Can we finally close this discussion and let someone decide whether the hook fulfils the DYK criteria? -- Nczempin (talk) 13:24, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Again: there is nothing in "funny and quirky" that would imply misleading. A funny hook is generally about a verifiable but funny fact, not about something serious being worded in a funny way. I don't see how I'm infringing on anyone's opinion: I offered the alt hook, didn't I? but I do believe (and other reviewers have generally agreed with me, which is why I made note of it) that it's a slippery slope to start selling out the quality of the information presented for a number of clicks that is increased artificially, with charades. As for guidelines, you need go no further than the paragraph you cited above: "Shorter hooks are preferred to longer ones, as long as they don't misstate the article content." Dahn (talk) 14:45, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
As I've stated repeatedly, the hook is not misstating the article content. It is all correct and all sourced. It is only misleading for people who prejudge the words used to mean something very specific, when they can also mean something different. Realizing this mistake, many people will laugh at themselves for their prejudice having been exposed. It seems to be pointless to argue with you (you even managed to ignore the fact that you contradicted yourself), you have made up your mind. You have provided an alternative. I have stated my disagreement. So now let's just get on with the DYK process. Offer one of the official review results such as "too short", "unsourced" etc., with the right template, or bring some new evidence to the table, or please just let it go. -- Nczempin (talk) 15:14, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Just get WP:CONS to change the guidelines to be clearer about this topic (and April fools', etc.), and next time a discussion like this won't have to take place. -- Nczempin (talk) 15:33, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Your review of the above exchange is quite correct, and indeed it's a good idea to wait for further input. But what you present as me contradicting myself is factually wrong: your quote is from a guideline that does not addresses how hooks are written, but how written hooks are picked; the guidelines also note that the hook should not be written in such as to "misstate the article content". Incidentally, I'm not spending this time "arguing" with you - I'm stating my points for others to take note of the objections, and evaluate them as they see fit. Also note that I refrained from actually reviewing the hook, precisely because I don't want to make your nomination dependent on my comments. Though, obviously, I do wish something along the lines of alt 1 would be picked instead of the punchline "people will laugh at themselves" hook. Dahn (talk) 15:59, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
the hook itself needs to be about something fun, not that it be about something serious made to look funny. therefore the hook is inadequate (regardless of the part you said before this quote), because the article is serious, and the hook makes it look funny. (Actually, your article is already fun and quirky without misleading people.) Wait, now, I thought the article was serious? "People will laugh" is not a punchline, it's just an illustration that "misleading" can very well (and it certainly is the intention here) be funny/quirky, which you strongly denied. -- Nczempin (talk) 16:21, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
The first quote addressed the belief that we need to tweak hooks beyond what they say, for comedic effect. The second says that your article is about something that is interesting, maybe even funny, in any case fun, without the tweaks. I don't suggest that misleading can't be funny and quirky, just that funny and quirky in DYK should preferably not be misleading - it could also mean that, but it shouldn't mean that for practical purposes. We can lawyer about the meanings over and over again, but I think it would be better to point out where this alleged "people will laugh" directive has been already applied on DYK, other than in April Fool's hooks. Best, Dahn (talk) 17:08, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
────────────────────── What belief that we need to? Why is my explanation suddenly a "directive"?? Straw man much? You are entitled to your opinion that the hook is inappropriate. Anything beyond that is not constructive. If you want to reject the hook based on DYK guidelines & consensus, go ahead. I will stop watching this page now, this discussion is distracting far too much from regular DYK business; if someone has an "official" message stating something that needs to change to comply with DYK policies, it would be nice (but of course not strictly necessary) for them to notify either me on my talk page or other contributors on the article's page. -- Nczempin (talk) 17:47, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Maybe I'm wrong when I say that it is misleading when someone designs the hook wanting people to click a link in the belief that it means thing A and then "laughing at themselves" when realizing that it means B. Maybe I have been mislead into thinking that misleading means something else, not "designed to deceive or mislead either deliberately or inadvertently". It's not like wikipedia is actually striving for credibility, we just want the hits. In any case, I too am done commenting on this hook - if my counter-suggestion is worth anything, pick it up instead of the Easter egg hook. Dahn (talk) 19:59, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I am fine with any of:

  1. Submitting the original for next year's AFD
  2. Submitting the original for regular DYK
  3. Submitting the suggested ALT-1
  4. Submitting any other ALT

-- Nczempin (talk) 13:13, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg I agree with Dahn; the original hook is more strange than quirky, and reads like a fill-in-the-blanks test question. I read the article and also picked out the experimenter who used laughing gas on himself as a good idea for a hook, so I support ALT1. However, the article has a few tags on in it (citation needed, example needed, why?) that need to be taken care of before the hook is approved. Yoninah (talk) 23:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
    • I don't understand; DYK articles are not allowed to have any tags? The hooks are cited (as is pretty much everything, from very reliable sources), but the article is new and not yet finished, it's a work in progress and I put these tags there myself. It also has a bunch of todos on the talk page, do I have to finish those too? I couldn't find the part that says "no tags allowed". If it needs to be an FA before it can be submitted for DYK, maybe that's another reason to submit it for next year's April Fools' -- Nczempin (talk) 06:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
    • It's very hard for a newbie DYK submitter to go through all the rules, make sure that they've all been observed, and then be questioned for things that don't seem to be in the rules. I'm not saying that the comments are invalid (I wouldn't know either way), but if they really are meant to be rules that simply haven't been included yet, I strongly suggest that the rules be updated. And if they're not rules, perhaps some way to quickly tag spurious rejections would be nice. Is it really necessary to have lengthy discussions like the one (far) above? I don't mind constructively discussing alternates, but that should be separate from deciding whether the formal requirements have been fulfilled. -- Nczempin (talk) 07:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Please see Rule D7. I am not trying to trip you up here, but adding lots of tags to an article makes it look incomplete. Perhaps you could provide citations for the facts you included and erase some of those other tag-reminders, and we can complete this nomination. Yoninah (talk) 11:38, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Okay, fair enough. If you see the todo entries I placed on the talk page, the article is very much a work in progress (it's a new article after all), more so now than let's say when it eventually becomes an FAC, but not more than most articles on Wikipedia. It has been rated "Start-Class" by the Medicine Wikiproject, which would also indicate it's not yet as good as it could be. But it doesn't have a major banner, just a few gentle reminders that some minor clarifications may be needed (the sort I would expect to be clarified once it gets submitted for FA), but it has substantially more, and more reliable, sources than a great number of articles on WP, and a lot more than just one per paragraph, which seems to be the requirement here. Are you suggesting that I remove the tags just so they are not seen, and then put them back later? Because if they were trivially easy to fix, I would have fixed them and not placed the tags myself. I think I'd be more comfortable with submitting for AFD, I'm hoping to get it to FA by then (almost a year's time), and I could keep the original DYK without anyone objecting. That rule 7 could also be clarified a little, as it seems very open to interpretation. -- Nczempin (talk) 11:57, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • I have cited the tag you left (the other editor who added it must simply have forgotten the actual cite; he clearly stated the source in the edit summary), and I removed the "such as" that I had placed myself, because at the time I wasn't using the todo feature, and it was meant to be a reminder for myself. -- Nczempin (talk) 16:24, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Well, I actually like ALT1 better (did you just bait-n-switch me? ;-): First of all, I don't like country wikilinks. Secondly, you've removed James Watt, who is both very well-known and made important contributions. Humphrey Davy, yes, he was "just" a laboratory operator (or "superindendent", the "head" of the lab), but this was very early in his career (he was 19 IIRC) and he later became pretty famous too (although not as famous as Watt). I would propose making your changes to "laughing gas", actually naming the PI and losing the "actually inhaled" joke. Georgiana is not particularly well-known outside the UK, and once we start using a serious tone it's not necessary to mention her (although it would have been a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to make the Lady Spencer->Lady Di connection). I don't mind either way about adding Bristol, but England doesn't even have to be mentioned, as people who don't know where it is can find out easily in the Bristol article. -- Nczempin (talk) 20:18, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Note that this is not entirely accurate, because the asking for support came first, and the establishment later, so the gas-giving was also later. The tense is not entirely correct. -- Nczempin (talk) 20:30, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
──────────── *Please make the hook 200 characters or less. You can use this tool to check the character count. Yoninah (talk) 22:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, hook ref all verified. ALT4 good to go. (And may your next DYK nomination be approved in a jiffy!) Yoninah (talk) 19:23, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Arts on the Line

Alewife Station

Created by Found5dollar (talk). Self nom at 23:33, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

ALT 1 ... that the MBTA's Arts on the Line program, was the United States' first arts in transit program? --Found5dollar (talk) 23:33, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, references, and hook check out for both hooks. I like ALT 1 myself.--Doug Coldwell talk 22:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Law of Æthelberht

Parchment leaf with early 12th-century writing

Created/expanded by Deacon of Pndapetzim (talk). Self nom at 21:59, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Looks good to me, offline source AGF. You don't have to review yet, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:13, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

St John the Baptist's Church, Mongewell: St Mary's Church, Newnham Murren

A small flint church with red tiled roofs and a bellcote at the far end

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 18:14, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, references, and hook check out for both articles.--Doug Coldwell talk 19:01, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

List of ICC Cricket World Cup finals

Created by Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते 12:02, 4 April 2011 (UTC). Self nom at 11:55, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Bench Around the Lake

Created by Missvain (talk). Self nom at 05:40, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Good job, very nicely written and sourced, with a great pic. Textorus (talk) 07:19, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Nikolai Ryzhkov

Nikolai Ryzhkov

Expanded by --TIAYN (talk) 15:35, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Looking at the history, I believe this article's expansion started on March 28, not April 4, as it is nominated here. That puts it out of the five day window for eligibility. Please correct me if I have misunderstood something here. Canada Hky (talk) 03:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
I've reviewed the Charles Coiner article. --TIAYN (talk) 15:39, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Isn't the whole point when it ended, and not when it started? --TIAYN (talk) 04:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
No, from the DYK Official Rules: "Former redirects, stubs, or other short articles in which the prose portion has been expanded fivefold or more within the last five days are also acceptable as "new" articles. The content with which the article has been expanded must be new content, not text copied from other articles." Canada Hky (talk) 13:45, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 5

A Night of Neglect

  • ... when trying to clear a Björk song for an upcoming episode, the creators of Glee initially could not reach her as she apparently did not have a telephone number?

5x expanded by Yvesnimmo (talk). Self nom at 05:27, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Everything seems good. I do think the hook might be a little vague. Instead of the word clear, perhaps use "gain permission to use" or some such. Not a huge deal, though. Cheers! Deyyaz [ Talk | Contribs ] 21:11, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
    Hmmm "clearing" is the term used in the music industry. How about:
    Yves (talk) 06:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
    • Yeah, that's definitely more clear. I would go with ALT1 myself. Deyyaz [ Talk | Contribs ] 03:39, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
      • Sounds good. Thanks for your input! Yves (talk) 03:48, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Ferris Jennings

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 04:34, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Length and date are fine, but the hook is a bit long at 180 characters. I don't think it needs to say that he was 140 pounds. But the real problem is that the source says it was the only touchdown from scrimmage, and that there were two touchdowns scored that year. StAnselm (talk) 13:33, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
  • One of the off-line newspaper sources did say that Jennings' score was the sole touchdown, but it turns out to be incorrect. Jennings' score was the first of two touchdowns scored by Michigan in 1934. I had included the weight, because 140 pounds is extraordinarily small for a QB, and he was often called "Little" Ferris Jennings. But in light of your points, I suggest the following alt hook:
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Yes, the alternate hook is fine. And the Ford connection makes it interesting. StAnselm (talk) 23:08, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
I think Cbl62's instinct is right, I found the 140-pound part one of the most remarkable parts of the hook, so how about this:
I'm not opposed to that - it's long, but still under 200 characters. StAnselm (talk) 21:52, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Heinz-Otto Schultze

A smiling man with a black uniform and peaked cap.

5x expanded by MisterBee1966 (talk). Self nom at 12:53, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The second article has only 763 characters in prose. It needs also more references. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 18:27, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
  • OK, but the first article is 4,8 expanded (it needs about 115 characters). I did not count this article before. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 19:31, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

The Miami Showband

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Nominated by Jeanne boleyn (talk) at 07:29, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Roger Locher

Maj. Robert Lodge and Maj. Roger Locher in the cockpit of their F-4D

Created by Btphelps (talk). Self nom at 02:02, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Rescue of Bat 21 Bravo

Lt.Col. Iceal Hambleton

Created by Btphelps (talk). Self nom at 22:47, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Colin Campbell Cooper [10]btphelps (talk) (contribs) 23:05, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
  • I've commented out the image, non-free media are not permitted on the Main page (see DYK rules). You could use the free image in the article. —Bruce1eetalk 11:27, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

George Thomson (physician)

Created by Shadygrove2007 (talk). Self nom at 10:42, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length and hook all check out. I added a period to the end of one of the paragraphs. Other than that, a solid article and intriguing hook – though consider maybe "just when the city needed them most" for the conclusion. Either way great.—Biosketch (talk) 11:38, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

William F. Yardley

Created by Bms4880 (talk). Nominated by Orlady (talk) at 02:43, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, and hook look good. I'd be happier if we knew for sure if he was the first African American to argue before the TN Supreme Court. Is that an issue for DYK? (first time DYK reviewer so if someone wants to backstop me.. :) ) Wikipelli Talk 15:40, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
  • As you probably know from checking the source, the cited source is not definite. I don't think anyone knows for sure. This source identifies another African American, John Sinclair Lewis, as "reportedly" being the first admitted to practice before the state supreme court, and yet another (Thomas Frank Cassels) as "apparently the first African-American lawyer admitted to practice before the state Supreme Court in West Tennessee," but it has no details on whether they actually argued before the state supreme court. --Orlady (talk) 16:12, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svgWorks for me. I think it's good to go. Nice article, too. Wikipelli (talk) 03:11, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Just as a note, being admitted to practice before a state's highest court means you are admitted to practice, or have passed the bar in that state. It is not the same with arguing a case in front of that court. So if the source says that Yardley was the first, and the other two were just admitted to practice there and probably never argued a case before it. If you need me to look at it further, drop me a note.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:18, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Generally true. However, the same sources say that other African Americans were admitted to the bar in the state earlier, so being admitted to the state supreme court practice might have been something more significant circa 1870. Interestingly, all of the sources about these "first" African-American lawyers in Tennessee seem to hedge their statements with words like "reportedly", "apparently," "is believed to be", and "is thought to be." That leads me to think that the historical records are unclear or incomplete. --Orlady (talk) 13:32, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Health in Ghana

5x expanded by Sadads (talk), Als242 (talk). Self nom at 01:16, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Note: Some of the content for this article was copied from other articles, but a vast majority of it was written today for the expansion of this article, and the subsequent need to expand the related articles. Also, this is well over 10x expansion, so I don't think that should be an issue, Sadads (talk) 01:16, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Article review:Panama Creature
Symbol question.svg The size checks out and the article is generally well-written and sourced. However, the specific fact cited in the hook about maternal mortality is not supported by a reference. — btphelps (talk) (contribs) 05:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
The other author updated that stat, I am thinking we should modify the hook, how about "... that in Ghanian women's health, breast cancer is the leading malignacy and HIV/AIDS affects 140,000 women?", (talk) 20:54, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
effects->affects. -- Nczempin (talk) 10:16, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Fixed above, and that was me on the ip previously, Sadads (talk) 21:00, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
140,000 women is a lot, but compared to what? What per cent of the population is affected? What makes the facts notable or interesting? The phrasing is also awkward. — btphelps (talk) (contribs) 21:47, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
What should it be compared to? The fact in and of itself would be more than enough. If you have a better suggestion, I would be more than welcome for it. Sadads (talk) 21:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Dunno, total women in Ghana? or how about just a percentage figure? if 140K is 1% of the population, or if it's 20%, that's a measurable difference. Is breast cancer as the #1 malignancy unusual? I don't know. The hook is a device to motivate people to click through and read it. The hook as it is just doesn't do that for me, IMO. I don't have time to study the article. I'm sure you can find something more intriguing. — btphelps (talk) (contribs) 17:38, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Panama Creature

Created by J Milburn (talk). Self nom at 22:54, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Looks good to me, new article, sources, and length check out, Sadads (talk) 03:18, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Amicable Society for a Perpetual Assurance Office

Amicable Society coat of arms, circa 1854
Reviewed Arts on the Line (diff) --Doug Coldwell talk 22:50, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 22:22, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

  • (pictured) is missing from the hook; maybe the nominator wants to add this, including what it is that is pictured. Schwede66 00:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for noticing. Have added to hook line.--Doug Coldwell talk 11:09, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

E.E. Aiken

Created by Gamaliel (talk). Self nom at 22:19, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Date and hook OK, but length is too short at 1279 characters by my count. Needs a tiddly bit of expansion. Paul Bedson (talk) 22:46, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
I got 1517 with the tool. I'll see what I can do about expanding it a bit. Gamaliel (talk) 22:55, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
I think it may be long enough now. Gamaliel (talk) 04:27, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting keep.svgThat looks fine now, with offline references accepted in good faith. Paul Bedson (talk) 13:47, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! If the online articles are an issue, I can email pdfs on request from the database where I looked these articles up. Gamaliel (talk) 22:21, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Jardín del Arte Sullivan

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 20:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Harness racing in Finland

Coldblood horses in racing harness approaching the finish line.

Created by Pitke (talk). Self nom at 17:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

  • This is my first DYK nom, but I attempted reviewing anyway. [11] Pitke (talk) 17:58, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg Welcome to DYK. That's a solid effort with your first nomination. You'll find that there are quite a few rules, but once you get your head around things, you'll find that with work of your quality, you'll fly through the process. Here are a few tips and pointers:
  • You could consider using Template:NewDYKnomination/guide for nominating the next article. That will help you getting the formatting right (the target article should be in bold, for example (have fixed that), it steps you through the process of adding pictures to your nomination, and it gives some pointers regarding what to say when you've moved articles from your user space).
  • A DYK requirement is that every paragraph (with the exception of the lead) should have at least one reference, so you will have to add a few more.
  • *groaaaaannnnnn* source for "Finnhorse is the only coldblood breed raced in Finland" or "coldblood races in Finland, unless otherwise specified, are open to coldblood breeds other than the Finnhorse"? Impossible! I've complained about this at the talk page of Finnhorse: the breed is the fastest coldblood breed but just try and find a source that bothers with saying "Finnhorses are fast". Cut it. Pitke (talk) 18:59, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Bare URLs are not accepted. I suggest you use the citation templates that you get with your editor tool bar (click on the cite link and then use the drop down box 'Templates'; replace the bare URLs using this tool). If you need a hand with this, contact me on my talk page.
  • There needs to be a reference immediately after the hook fact in the article (none there at present).
  • Fixed. Ok now? Pitke (talk) 18:59, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Other than that, the article is new and long enough.
Good work! Those issues above will be easy to fix. Schwede66 18:40, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Pictogram voting keep.svg Offline and foreign language source accepted in good faith. Schwede66 21:00, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Cornish fairings

Cornish fairings

  • ... that traditionally Cornish fairings (pictured) were sold at fairs for young men to give to their sweethearts?

5x expanded by Worm That Turned (talk). Self nom at 12:09, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Daniel J. Kremer

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 09:15, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length, date, and sources check out fine. My preference is for ALT1, although they're all pretty good. I'm not sure if we should use the word "accidentally" in the hook though. Qrsdogg (talk) 20:36, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Looks good to go. Qrsdogg (talk) 18:47, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Ronald Singson

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 07:56, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg No problems from what I can see. Interesting hook! Deyyaz [ Talk | Contribs ] 23:47, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Archaeological Museum of the American University of Beirut

Archaeological Museum of the American University of Beirut

Created by Paul Bedson (talk). Self nom at 23.59, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Verified, but can you please convert the bullet list into prose?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:05, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Sure thing, converted as suggested. Paul Bedson (talk) 00:00, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Leslie Bethell

Created by Deyyaz (talk). Self nom at 23:55, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg All checks out. Ready to go. Harrison49 (talk) 21:06, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 6

Richard Riemerschmid

5x expanded by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 23:45, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Looks excellent, source for hook good, also expansion. Little language question: I would translate to wedding (Hochzeit) rather than marriage (Ehe). But it's also "marriage of Figaro", seems to be understood that way. Learning, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks! And I have now reviewed Recycling in Canada: diff. As to the word "marriage," yes, it's a bit woolly and complicated. Note that the newspaper sections are often headed "Births, Deaths, and Marriages." I think a major factor may be the perception that "wedding" is ever so slightly less formal. But the word in the German-language source is the older Heirat and I believe that has a similar ambiguity? Yngvadottir (talk) 17:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Wedding is more accurate. It's not about the German, but about the English. Heirat or Hochzeit is the act of getting married, wedding. Marriage is usually taken to mean what happens afterwards (although it is not wrong to use instead of wedding, you would just be adding unnecessary ambiguity). If you used that, it would mean that he's no longer married when he's looking for the flat. -- Nczempin (talk) 17:59, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
  • What do you think of using "after he got married" instead, like
ALT1:... that the German art nouveau painter and architect Richard Riemerschmid began designing furniture when he could not find anything suitable for his flat after he got married? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Well, it would have to be after he had got married, and that sounds a little unelegant. What's wrong with simply substituting "wedding" for "marriage"? -- Nczempin (talk) 20:01, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Okay, the article says marriage, just as ambiguous. Why not say something like when he wanted to move in with his newlywed wife? -- Nczempin (talk) 20:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Well, that's why I wrote "after his marriage." To me, using the very specific "wedding" implies he only thought about setting up a home after they emerged from the reception, while other ways of saying it are a bit long and clunky. I would have said "after he married Ida Hofmann, but she's a redlink even on de.wikipedia.Yngvadottir (talk) 21:32, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg then for the hook, but I suggest you write "after he married Ida Hofmann" in the article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
  • or ... after sleeping it over ... what do you think of "after he married Ida Hofmann", without a link? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Again, for strict grammar it would have to be "after he had married Ida" (which sounds slightly less unelegant now that it's in the active voice); sorry to be so an.l about it. But another question comes to mind: is the marriage part really that important? To me it is most remarkable that this guy says "I cannot find any adequate furniture, so I will make my own" (and then goes on to become acclaimed), secondary that he does this when moving in with his beloved, and tertiary that he had just married her (okay, presumably at the time there would not have been much moving in without marriage). -- Nczempin (talk) 14:58, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Ash-sha'ab yurid isqat an-nizam

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:25, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Hotel Plaza Grande. --Soman (talk) 02:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, hook ref verified. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 00:06, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Henry Thomson (painter)

Portrait of Henry Thomson RA by Sir Martin Archer Shee PRA (detail)

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 11:47, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Direct lobbying

  • ... that the total amount spent on lobbying in the United States in 2010 was $3.49 billion?

Created by Chlopeck (talk), Vert3x (talk), Crawf279 (talk). Nominated by Bejinhan (talk) at 05:42, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Janbirdi al-Ghazali

Created by Al Ameer son (talk). Self nom at 05:28, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Length and hook are fine, offline reference accepted in good faith - Basement12 (T.C) 11:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Elizabeth J. Feinler

Woman with microphone

Created by W163 (talk). Nominated by W Nowicki (talk) at 21:04, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Has she died or is she no longer better known as Jake? -- Nczempin (talk) 10:13, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Neither (that I know of). Just retired I think. Not sure if your point is if the article should be used by her common name? She used "Elizabeth" in formal documents so I would say keep it. However, the hook could probably be refined to be less ambiguous (using past tense). At least add a comma after 1989. How about:

ALT1 ... that Elizabeth J. Feinler (pictured), better known as "Jake", ran the Network Information Center of the Internet until 1989?

W Nowicki (talk) 17:25, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Oops, the article needed clarification. It was the only NIC on the Internet at the time. The ARPANET was the Internet's first backbone. So ALT1 is more accurate. Yes, the Internet was defined in 1974 and was really implemented by the early 1980s. I worked on the article and added more citations, please take another look. Thanks for catching this. W Nowicki (talk) 22:12, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Ernst Cadman Colwell

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 18:42, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg The article is not quite large enough... the prose is 1493! Plz expand slightly, and ref the lead. :) Rcej (Robert) - talk 04:17, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
    • Done. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 09:12, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
      • Cool. Now, do you think you could word "textual degree" more lay-friendly in the hook, and with a parenthetical simplification in the article? Optional, of course :) Rcej (Robert) - talk 03:20, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
        • Why not, but perhaps ALT1 will be more interesting:
  • ALT1 ... that Ernst Cadman Colwell together with M. M. Parvis elaborated a new method of textual criticism usually known as Claremont Profile Method?


Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 13:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Jean-François-Auguste Moulin

5x expanded by SteveStrummer (talk). Self nom at 05:10, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg 5x expansion verified. Date, length OK. Offline hook ref AGF. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:18, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Charles W. Cansler, Austin-East High School

Created by Bms4880 (talk), Orlady (talk). Nominated by Orlady (talk) at 03:34, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed nom for Hollingworth Magniac (diff=[15]) --Orlady (talk) 03:50, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Looks good. Of the three references used for the hook, one is offline, but the other two check out. Apterygial talk 08:02, 8 April 2011 (UTC)


5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 15:36, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Reviewed Daytona Cubs from March 24
  • Pictogram voting keep.svg 5x expansion, length and date verified. AGF on hook ref :) Toдor Boжinov 20:16, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Hotel Plaza Grande

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Dream Focus (talk). Self nom at 12:33, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg Date, length, ok, references accepted AGF. But article says "It was one of the first formal hotels in Quito", not "the first formal hotel". Also, it would be nice to add File:Hotel Plaza Grande2.jpg to the hook. --Soman (talk) 02:34, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Allison H. Eid

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 06:06, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Going with ALT3. Hook verified, article ready, prose is 2336 per DYKcheck! Rcej (Robert) - talk 04:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Charles Inglis (c. 1731–1791)

Three-quarter length portrait of a man in a black hat, facing right, wearing a blue jacket with gold buttons and epaulettes.

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 21:47, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Rodney's admiral rank is mentioned in lead, unreferenced, but not in body. Please fix that, and it should be good to go (although I think the hook is not that interesting, isn't there something more inspiring in his life other than the promotion of his superior?). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 00:15, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Fixed, but Crimmin's assessment holds true - 'a capable and competent officer without being inspired or presented with fortunate opportunities'. You might try
  • ... that Captain Charles Inglis (pictured) has been described as "a capable and competent officer without being inspired or presented with fortunate opportunities"?
This is where personal opinion comes in. I find this a far duller alternative than the original and alt. Could you confirm the article and hooks pass please? Benea (talk) 10:45, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Well its the first alt Ive checked out - Good to go Victuallers (talk) 17:11, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

3rd Arizona Territorial Legislature

Created by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 19:22, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg This one's good to go. Date of creation, length, hook and ref ok. Offline refs accepted in good faith. Maile66 (talk) 00:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

2011 European Under-18 Rugby Union Championship

Created by Calistemon (talk). Self nom at 17:31, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Reviewed: German destroyer Z9 Wolfgang Zenker (2 April). Calistemon (talk) 17:38, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length and creation date both check out. Hook fully supported by English-language references. Referencing was fine, though I took the liberty of converting all the web references to the "cite web" template—I recommend you use this template in the future. Since the one Croatian-language reference has nothing to do with the hook, everything's good to go. I also cleaned up some of the prose in the article post-nomination. — Dale Arnett (talk) 02:48, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Also decided to capitalize "Six Nations" in hook to reflect standard rugby union usage. — Dale Arnett (talk) 19:19, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Old Church of St Mary the Virgin, Preston Candover

A small structure with a white painted wall and a tiled roof

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 16:29, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go. All DYK criteria check out. Maile66 (talk) 09:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Lyceum Theatre (Crewe)

A red-brick gabled building on the right, with a flat-roofed grey block to the left

  • ... that the Lyceum Theatre (pictured) in Crewe, Cheshire, was opened in 1887, destroyed by fire in 1910, and rebuilt on the same site in 1911?

5x expanded by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:49, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

  • I edited the hook for clarity. Source cited is from the Lyceum Theatre's website. Would be better if there is a third-party source. Bejinhan talks 13:33, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
  • If I could have found another source, I would have added it; but I have no reason to doubt what the theatre's site says about itself. Why should it be unreliable? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:31, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Expansion verified, hook accepted by AGF (I can not open external links). Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 15:43, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Peter Marshall (police commissioner)

Created by XLerate (talk). Self nom at 12:47, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Dates and cite checks out, this seems fine. Benea (talk) 21:41, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Racist music

Created by Jnast1 (talk). Self nom at 06:55, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

  • I would suggest substituting "effective" for "great" to avoid any positive connotations of the latter. Gamaliel (talk) 07:15, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Done. Thank you for that! Jnast1 (talk) 15:01, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length, hook and cite check out. However, the article could use a bit of work on layout (the lead is really long and most of that should go in a section). Roscelese (talkcontribs) 18:52, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Done, excellent point. Jnast1 (talk) 02:27, 9 April 2011 (UTC)


Neanaperiallus in amber

5x expanded by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 05:47, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:01, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Indianapolis Art Center

Created by Missvain (talk). Self nom at 04:19, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg The length is good and while DYKcheck gives the date as 5 April rather than 6 April, that doesn't really matter. However, we usually require the hook fact to be directly cited in the article, which it isn't here. This should be easy enough to fix. BigDom (talk) 15:45, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
  • I fixed the intro and updated it to show the fact :) Missvain (talk) 13:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Allah Made Me Funny

Created by Mbz1 (talk). Self nom at 04:14, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Lucy Aharish

  • ... that in 2007 Lucy Aharish became the first Arab to present the news on mainstream Israeli television?

Created by Biosketch (talk). Self nom at 11:50, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go. Jaespinoza (talk) 17:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Monticello Association

5x expanded by Parkwells (talk). Self nom at 16:20, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Is this a 5 fold expansion from April 1st, to meet the 5 day Rule?--Doug Coldwell talk 13:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Did some copy editing work and added many cites, but most of the expansion took place before April 1, and I forgot to nominate it then, because of working on associated articles, mostly Thomas Jefferson.Parkwells (talk) 14:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go. All DYK criteria check out. --Doug Coldwell talk 14:08, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Measuring rod, Tablet of Shamash

Shamash delivering the measuring rod and line

5x expanded by Paul Bedson (talk). Self nom at 12:56, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  • I've changed the hook slightly after making another article about the Tablet of Shamash - going for the double whammy on this one! Paul Bedsontalk 03:23, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date and length of expansion for measuring rod checks out. Date and length of creation for Tablet of Shamash checks out. Hook checks out for both. This is ready for DYK. Nice use of Google Books for both, by the way! Side note: For some bizarre reason, the Greek word for measuring rod was placed at the bottom of that article back in 2006 and hasn't been removed, so I took the liberty of removing it from the article. OCNative (talk) 00:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Child sexual abuse in New York City religious institutions

Created by Swliv (talk). Self nom at 05:19, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Length of article OK, however hook is too long (306 characters instead of ~200) and rather convoluted, plus article title is not bolded. Article history says nothing except: "correcting title of recent new article; edited from prev. article". What was the title of the recent new article and where is its edit history? When was it created? --GuillaumeTell 16:51, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

::: The previous page & its history was deleted by an admin (per an author's G7 request), as shown here. Shearonink (talk) 17:25, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The length may be fine but In my opinion, that's not a really appropriate topic to use. I know Wikipedia is not censored but there was an issue with something similar in the past that stopped a Big Jock Knew DYK hook being promoted. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 16:59, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

:*Symbol question.svg Since the edit history has been hidden from view with this G7 action, how can editors tell when the article was actually created or when it was actually expanded? Shearonink (talk) 18:39, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • It looks as if it may be possible to undelete the previous article - see here - and then speedily delete it, maybe merging the edit history into the current one. Sounds like a lot of work. --GuillaumeTell 10:10, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
  • I requested a page history merger (WP:HISTMERGE), so the history of Child sexual abuse in New York City religious institutions now includes the history of the definct Child sexual abuse in the New York City religious institutions, which does verify that Swliv did indeed create the page on April 6, and that no other edits were made on the page. OCNative (talk) 01:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
    • Guillaume and Shearonink, I hope you don't mind that I struck out your text that related to the page history since my history merger request has rendered the issue moot. Since it's now moot, I struck out the lines to try to reduce the complexity of this DYK request. OCNative (talk) 01:24, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
      • No problem as far as I'm concerned, and thanks for reuniting the page histories. --GuillaumeTell 08:23, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

To start I have to say thanks for all the good attention. This is not an easy one, I know.

Second, a shorter (195 char.) and I think better variant:

Swliv (talk) 01:30, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Third, the background on the creation. It's only circumstantial, but I'll start by noting that the current article was created April 9, yet this self-nomination is under the 6th. That's because I started the nomination of the original article (all mine, no edits on it, started on the 6th, 27 page views on the 7th); then I realized that my typo, in effect, in the title was a real blemish; so I proceeded to create the new page (and, yes, with a good deal more editing of my original work, but nothing fundamental) and then empty out the old page, as I understood to be the appropriate way to (as happened) have an admin. eliminate it. (I didn't want it hanging around, think that's understandable.) Then I came back to the self-nom. but forgot to move it to the 9th. (And have worried about that a little, in the interim.) Anyway, the change in the title was simply that I'd left a "the" in in front of "New York City":
Child sexual abuse in the New York City religious institutions. Obviously blemished, I think. More substantively, to trace my approach to the article just a little: The NY mag. article I read maybe two weeks ago. Then a primary subject of that article, interviewed in South Carolina and all, B. Oliva, pled guilty in Massachusetts. I only stumbled on the guilty plea because the page views of Christ The King Regional High School spiked. Once I saw that, I felt I had to try to pull together what I'd learned (feeling I was sort of playing catch up, by then, but having to do it anyway). I have to say at the moment I can't recall how the second case -- E. Lorch, still before the Mass. courts -- came to my view. If anyone's interested, I'll trace my path. (The coincidences between the two, which the DYK uses, were pretty striking to me, once I had found the latter one and worked it up.)
Fourth, I'll say I've been following some of the widespread Wiki work on the general subject of child sexual abuse, and contributing from time to time, for quite a while. I could go into my history here in more detail if anyone wants, but for now I'll just go to the "censorship" comment above. I appreciate but haven't explored the references given. I may explore them and will respond if I do. Meanwhile, I'd say that I think Wikipedia has done a pretty good job on this general, difficult area and, on the other hand, there's much more that can and I hope will be done. I did marvel at the three "category bars" (I don't know what they're called; "hide"/ "show" at the bottom) which I imported into my article from probably Philadelphia. So much there. So much more that could be. I do think my current NYC contribution, also I'm sure not perfect, is nonetheless worthy of Wikipedia and, hence, of consideration for DYK. I'll leave it at that. Thanks again. Swliv (talk) 01:30, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Swliv, I hope you don't mind that I struck out the text that related to the page history since my history merger request has rendered the issue moot (and also verified your story completely). Since it's now moot, I struck out the lines to try to reduce the complexity of this DYK request. OCNative (talk) 01:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 7

Self-propelled particles

Flocking starlings

  • ... that the concept of self-propelled particles can be used to explain why flocking birds (pictured) suddenly change direction for no apparent reason, or abruptly switch from a flying state to a landing state?

Created by Epipelagic (talk). Self nom at 10:49, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I have a couple of comments here:
Generally speaking you shouldn't use refs in intros. The intro should not introduce new material, only summarize the stuff below
There's a lot of whitespace that doesn't seem to be useful. I think a little re-arrangement might help.
Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. However they belong on the talk page of the article, not here. --Epipelagic (talk) 18:02, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

White Ware

Created by Paul Bedson (talk). Nominated by Paul Bedson at 04:55, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Jacques Cambry

Portrait of Jacques Cambry, 1749-1807

Created/expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk) and Drmies (talk). Nominated by Drmies at 21:11, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Combretum glutinosum and Wildlife of the Gambia

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 10:07, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Note the Gambia wildlife is an expansion, Combretum glutinosum is new.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:08, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg NOTE: I have worked with the evil Dr. Blofeld occasionally, and my article above, Jacques Cambry, follows from one of his translations. I welcome a vetting of my approving these two articles, by any interested or suspicious editor. Drmies (talk) 21:31, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Richard Deutsch

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 03:49, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Bernd Redmann, Jörg Duda, Bassoon Quintet

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 11:18, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Very good stuff again. Good to go. German sources are OK. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 09:31, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Killer Kowalski Memorial Show

Ox Baker speaking about Kowalski during the opening ceremony of the Killer Kowalski Memorial Show

Created by (talk). Nominated by (talk) at 10:32, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

George W. Milias

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 08:13, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Dates, lengths, and sourcing all look good. --Allen3 talk 13:42, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Leslie Whetter

A man wearing thick woollen clothing.

Created by Apterygial (talk). Self nom at 08:12, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks. ALT1 is a good hook, but I'm planning on expanding the Adélie Land meteorite article at some point and that hook is probably better saved until then. Besides which, Whetter, Bickerton and Hodgeman share credit for the discovery; it seems unfair to credit only Whetter. Apterygial talk 23:01, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Commercial Telegraphers Union of America

Created by Tjepsen (talk). Nominated by E2eamon (talk) at 23:44, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

  • I removed the apostrophe from the hook. --E♴(talk) 13:39, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


Created by Mbz1 (talk). Self nom at 22:51, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length, date OK, Hook fact supported by the reference. Mjroots (talk) 13:32, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg This article is an absolute mess, and I object to it being promoted in its current form. Here's some history. Dickshooter is a U6 Census code location in a remote Idaho wilderness area, and I can find no record of it having any population. The only coverage of the place is its occasional inclusion on a list of funny place names. Presumably in order to meet the 1500 byte requirement for DYK, and due to the paucity of information that is actually about Dickshooter, the article's creator created multiple subsections summarizing the positive attributes of OTHER tourist destinations in Idaho. Most of these OTHER destinations discussed in the article are not even geographically close to Dickshooter -- three to four hours drive. These sections have no relevance to an article about Dickshooter (except possibly to add bulk to meet the 1500 byte requirement). I spent over an hour last night fixing it. I removed the flowery, Chamber of Commerce, tour guide style language. I also omitted the completely irrelevant sections discussing OTHER Idaho destinations at geographically remote distances from Dickshooter. Mbz then reverted all of my work in a wholesale manner. I re-made my changes with a note to please not undo my improvements in a wholesale manner. Mbz then made a note at the article's Talk page, and three minutes later another user User:ברוקולי again reverted all of my changes in a wholesale manner. Wikipedia is supposed to be about creating quality articles, not adding irrelevant fluff to an article so that it becomes long enough to get a DYK reward. Unless this article is substantially revised so that it legitimately meets the DYK requirements without the fluff and irrelevant discussion of distant sites OTHER THAN Dickshooter, it should not be promoted. Cbl62 (talk) 17:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
This discussion does not belong here. There's an article talk page to discuss content issues.--Mbz1 (talk) 18:48, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
In light of the more cooperative edits this afternoon, including striking sections on the unrelated locales, I am withdrawing my objection to promotion of the article. Cbl62 (talk) 22:06, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg As the article is right now, it is only ~ 700 characters, well short of the required 1500. Canada Hky (talk) 23:23, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  • It is fixed now.Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:40, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
    The information about unrelated locales was just re-added. Its possible there just might not be enough material to hit the criteria, funny name or not. Canada Hky (talk) 03:36, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
    Note that the name and scope of the article have been changed since it was first created. It was originally an article about the community of Dickshooter, Idaho. It is now about how the name "Dickshooter" has been given to several places in Owyhee County, Idaho. Qrsdogg (talk) 04:46, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
    Are there any similar articles about a collection of features, none of which seem particularly notable on their own? If they are all notable, I'd say they should all have their own articles, and a dab page. If Dick Shooter is notable, I'd say the material about what was named after him could all be included on one page. As it is - this just seems like a lot of dedication to something for the sake of a funny name, and I don't think that's a great thing to feature. Canada Hky (talk) 15:02, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
    Well, I think what you're saying is that this is inadmissible to DYK due to WP:SYNTH? I think the sources for each location note that they were named after Mr. Shooter, and the current title works as well as "Places Named After Dick Shooter" would. Whether this is the greatest article or not, I think it technically meets all of the DYK criteria now. Qrsdogg (talk) 15:51, 9 April 2011 (UTC)comment edited at 18:09
    Well, "Dick Shooter" doesn't seem to be notable. A list of non-notable places named after him seems questionable as to whether it merits a Wikipedia entry. The fact that each place on its own does not have enough material on it to get 1500 characters isn't really a mark in its favour. I'm not questioning whether it is the greatest article, I'm questioning whether this listing of places is encyclopedic. Canada Hky (talk) 23:53, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
    Dick Shooter is not notable, the places named after him are, if for nothing else then at least for an unusual name, but Dickchooter creek listed in the National Wild and Scenic Rivers System, and Dickshooter ridge mentioned in the Act adopted by US congress.
    This discussion does not belong here. Notability is not one of DYK criteria. There are afd to discuss notability of the articles.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:12, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Thomas Cochrane, 8th Earl of Dundonald

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 20:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Date, length and hook all checking out good on this one. Sources accepted in good faith. Paul Bedson (talk) 11:49, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Gare de la Bastille

Gare de la Bastille, Paris in the early C20th

5x expanded by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 19:53, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Length, date checks out, and offline hook cite accepted in good faith. Appropriate image licensing. Good to go. Yves (talk) 05:26, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Hoko River Formation

Fossil crab from the Hoko River Formation

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 19:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go with the image.--Mbz1 (talk) 22:34, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Reviewed Santorini (ship) for second time to check added references and approve hook.--Kevmin § 19:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Reviewed, offline links in good faith, especially as I cannot see why a good factual article like this would be made in bad! Benny Digital Speak Your Brains 15:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

HMS Plover (M26)

Created by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 16:29, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

All Saints Church, Waldershare

An elaborate marble monument with statues of mourners and putti

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 16:25, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg All looks good to go. Article date and length check out, all references check out. Photo from Geograph ; licenced "Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.0". -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:09, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Railway accidents in Vietnam

A mountain pass by the sea

Created by Dragfyre (talk). Self nom at 14:46, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Pistol River
Note: Created earlier in user space, moved to article space on Apr 7.
  • Symbol question.svg I like this well-referenced article, but am not happy about the hooks. The original hook is not explicitly stated in the article, and has to be deduced, so, as it stands, it is not OK. The source for ALT1 states "The conductor noted that usually, an accident occurs every day", which is not what the article or the hook says. If the article were to be amended to say what the source says, and the hook to reflect that, it would be OK. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:16, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
  • OK—I've stated the original hook in the "List of notable accidents" section, and referenced it properly. As for the ALT1 hook, I disagree that the source differs from the article and the hook. Toyoda's report refers to the conductor, but in the article, this is quoted as ...researcher A. Maria Toyoda noted "There are numerous safety issues with level crossings, residences right up against the tracks, and other areas of activity that are dangerously close ... People will cross the tracks at great risk, dodging in front of the train. ...usually, an accident occurs every day. In other words, the article says she noted that an accident occurs every day, which is correct, although to be precise, she noted it in her report because the conductor noted it to her first. So in essence, she noted that the conductor noted it. I didn't cite the conductor in this way because I felt it would detract from the readability; besides which, he wasn't directly quoted. Anyway, having said that, and still disagreeing (and preferring the original hook anyway), if you think ALT1 is worth using and still needs further precision, I'd accept to make further changes. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 17:05, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Fine, let's work on the original hook. Maybe the problem is the word "deadliest". According to the list, accidents in the pass killed c100 and 11 people; others killed 14 and 13. So how about:

  • You're right, that works better. I've made this change to the original hook, and I've amended the phrasing in the article too. Anything else? --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 18:12, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg for ALT2 (original hook has been amended to this).--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:52, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Museum label

"Museum label" from 19th century BCE

  • ... that the oldest known museum labels (sample pictured) are from circa 1900 BCE describing 2000 BCE objects?

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 13:22, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length and source check out. Benea (talk) 20:17, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Piper's Opera House

Piper's Opera House, Virginia City, Nevada

Created by Maile66 (talk). Self nom at 09:30, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Gloria (Gloria Trevi album)

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 08:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC). Self nom at 08:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Lucy Aharish. Jaespinoza (talk) 17:57, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Above and Below

Created by Missvain (talk). Self nom at 04:45, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Lev Voronin

Created by TIAYN (talk) 19:00, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Date and length good. The article says he was Chairman of the Council of Ministers, not that he was Premier of the Soviet Union. They may very well be the same thing, for all I know, but the article should use the same terminology as the hook, or vice versa. I would check the ref and change it myself, but the ref is in Russian.
I've reworded it. --TIAYN (talk) 15:15, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting keep.svgAGF on the foreign language source. --E♴(talk) 14:12, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 8

Sensational Sherri Memorial Cup Tournament, Shinya Hashimoto Memorial Legacy Cup Tournament, Hustle King Memorial Six Man Tag Team Tournament

Created by (talk), (talk). Nominated by GaryColemanFan (talk) at 22:18, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Ivar Ekeland

A picture of the Julia set

  • ... that, by writing about the chaotic dynamics of fractal sets (like the Julia set, animated), mathematician Ivar Ekeland helped to inspire Jurassic Park by Michael Crichton and Steven Spielberg?

A picture of the Feigenbaum bifurcation of the logistic function.

  • ... that, by writing about the chaos exhibited by fractals (pictured), mathematician Ivar Ekeland helped to inspire Jurassic Park by Michael Crichton and Steven Spielberg?
 Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 19:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

5x expanded by Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk). Self nom at 10:55, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Everybody Was in the French Resistance...Now!

Created by Bennydigital (talk). Self nom at 15:10, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length and hook ok. Lampman (talk) 11:48, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


Image shows examples of luminescence from two polyfluorene derivatives

  • ... that molecules that chemists isolated from coal tar in 1883 have been made into a polymer (called polyfluorene) that powers solar cells?

5x expanded by Aromaticmoleculessmell (talk), Polymersgrpmem (talk). Nominated by Klsyking (talk) at 14:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Article created in sandbox and then moved to user space on April 8, with merged history documenting sandbox editing. On-line subscription content accepted in good faith. I copy-edited the hook, for specificity (1883 versus "over 100 years ago") and modality ("powers" versus "can power", because experiments have been performed that establish fact).  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 11:14, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

High refractive index polymers

Created by Touchless (talk), Cddwumich (talk). Nominated by Klsyking (talk) at 14:21, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Looks good and the hook is correct. — Legolas (talk2me) 10:31, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


Created by Silverchemist (talk). Self nom at 23:04, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Hook, length and date all check out. Smallbones (talk) 03:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Abraham Bolden

Created by Harley Hudson (talk). Self nom at 18:54, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Nice article and an interesting story. Verified (online ref [9] confirms), and date and length are fine. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 21:27, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Radix natalensis

A drawing of a lymnaeid shell

Created by Snek01 (talk). Self nom at 17:49, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Acropyga acutiventris and Xenococcus annandalei. [29].
ALT1: that Radix natalensis (shell pictured) is a widespread freshwater snail in Africa transferring fluke Fasciola gigantica?

Choose a hook of your choice. --Snek01 (talk) 17:51, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date and length satisfactory. What about this as an alternate hook? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:03, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
ALT2 ... that Radix natalensis (shell pictured), a freshwater snail found in Africa, is a major intermediate host of liver flukes that cause fasciolosis?
ALT2 is not precise. It is a major vector in Africa for Fasciola gigantica only. Fasciola hepatica is transferred mainly by Galba truncatula and Pseudosuccinea columella in Africa. --Snek01 (talk) 10:07, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Fort Center

Fort Center eagle.JPG

  • ... that Fort Center is an archaeological site where maize may have been cultivated centuries before it appeared anywhere else in Florida?

Created by Donald Albury (talk). Self nom at 01:27, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that the Fort Center site came to the attention of archaeologists after a carved wooden bird (pictured) was found in a pond?
Moved from user sandbox on 8 April 2011.
Reviewed Central Organising Committee, Communist Party of India (Marxist–Leninist) Party Unity here


Zugspitze Westansicht.JPG

5x expanded by Bermicourt (talk). Self nom at 15:49, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg I'm going to say that's good to go. A massive authoritative expansion from c. 4900 to a whopping c. 34,000 characters, dated correctly. All sourced with clarifying notes. Awesome. Want to have a go at Mount Hermon? Paul Bedsontalk 03:40, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

The Redmond Spokesman

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 18:22, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article length and ref are fine, but the hook is too long at 231 characters (should be <200). BigDom (talk) 11:20, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Michoacán Market, Mexico City

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 14:44, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg All checks out.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:56, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed John Bennett FennThelmadatter (talk) 14:59, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Air India One

Created by Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते. Self nom at 10:22, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

David Schuman, C.C. Bridgewater

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 08:49, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • ALT1: ... that Oregon Court of Appeals judge David Schuman finished second in the North American speed skating finals in the 220 yard competition at the age of 17?
  • ALT2: ... that because he was in a medically-induced coma for five weeks after a heart attack, Washington Court of Appeals judge C.C. Bridgewater missed the deadline to file for re-election to the court? Yoninah (talk) 23:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
    • Those are great hooks, actually! I was actually having trouble coming up with a hook for Bridgewater, and I saw all four of these judges were members of the same class. In order to have a DYK for Bridgewater, I opted to attach him to one of the other judges, and since I created Schuman on the same day, I figured I would pair Bridgewater with Schuman. However, I like your hooks, so I will split them into separate nominations. OCNative (talk) 00:14, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

David Schuman

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 08:49, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, hook ref all verified. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:45, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

C.C. Bridgewater

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 08:49, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Date, length, hook ref all verified. I like the way you placed the emphasis in ALT1; just wondering if this would be better:

Sture Murders

  • ... that two people owed their survival of the Sture Murders to an ambiguous order issued by a mad king?

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Self nom at 07:21, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg All checks out. Moonraker2 (talk) 11:33, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Open Your Eyes (Yes song)

Created by 28bytes (talk). Self nom at 03:48, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Dates and expansion length both good. Available online sources look good and do not contradict any information supported by offline sources. AGF of offline portion of sourcing. --Allen3 talk 17:01, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Landa de Matamoros

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 01:29, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Expansion ratio and date look good, Spanish-language hook reference accepted on good faith, review confirmed. Good to go. 28bytes (talk) 03:55, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Reinhold von Werner

5x expanded by Parsecboy (talk). Self nom at 20:24, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Great article Parsec (or, if you prefer, Nate). I made it a start so as it would not be a stub on the main page. Buggie111 (talk) 00:25, 9 April 2011 (UTC)


Myrtis reconstruction.jpg

Created by Brandmeister (talk). Self nom at 19:29, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Created from redirect, hook is sourced. Interesting article, though "Creating new genus with Myrtis fanny in it" in history is one of the most amusing bot summaries ever! Chipmunkdavis (talk) 02:30, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Blue Labour

  • ... that Blue Labour is a socially conservative trend in the British Labour Party that argues for Flag, Faith and Family?

5x expanded by Riversider2008 (talk). Self nom at 15:23, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg A good article overall, but you'll have to use the cite web template. Even so, this article is good to go. --TIAYN (talk) 19:52, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

4th Arizona Territorial Legislature‎

  • Reviewed: George W. Milias ([35])
  • Comment: "Permanent" is quoted because the article's offline sources use the quotes and because Arizona's capital was moved to two other locations during the 25 years immediately following the session.

Created by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 13:49, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg - article size and creation date check out, dead-tree source accepted per AGF, should be ready to go. Nice work. Parsecboy (talk) 20:37, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Vladimir Velichko

Created by TIAYN (talk) 19:51, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Article length, timeliness of submission, hook length all check out. Offline cite AFG. Article is OK for DYK. (I removed the unnecessary second "against" in the hook.) - Tim1965 (talk) 03:44, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Climate of the Falkland Islands

Created by Chipmunkdavis (talk). Self nom at 02:21, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Myrtis Chipmunkdavis (talk) 02:34, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length, date and hook checked. Bejinhan talks 05:40, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Jorf Lasfar

5x expanded by Deyyaz (talk). Self nom at 21:14, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Hook is much too long
  • I like the first part for its conciseness, but I think the second part is a little vague. The reason why the submission was so long was because I was trying to figure out a way to say what I wanted to say clearly and accurately. By just saying that "it was the largest foreign investment", it kind of feels clipped.
How about? ALT 2 ... that when the ABB Group and CMS Energy invested $1.5 billion into projects at the Moroccan port of Jorf Lasfar, it was the largest foreign investment to have occurred in that country? Deyyaz [ Talk | Contribs ] 17:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on April 9

William Hunt Painter

Created by Parkywiki (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 17:39, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the conditional approval for this article. I'm optimistic that it will get through AfD given the 1800 references to his book including a recent citation in an American botany book. I believe it will take a week to go through that process. Victuallers (talk) 15:01, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

The King of Rome

a pigeon in a case

Created by Pigsonthewing (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 17:05, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Livens Large Gallery Flame Projectors

Created by Msrasnw (talk). Self nom at 11:57, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Groupe Bogolan Kasobané

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 04:49, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Reviewed: Perkiomen Bridge
  • Symbol confirmed.svg All seems to check out. Size, hook, ref. My main concern would be whether the hook is 'hooky' enough, i.e., if you don't know what bogolan fine arts are, are you going to be drawn in? --jjron (talk) 11:04, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Perkiomen Bridge

  • ... that angry residents burned down a toll booth on the west end of Perkiomen Bridge in 1867, and another on the east end in 1872?

Created by Smallbones (talk). Self nom at 01:56, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Landysh. Smallbones (talk) 03:06, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:54, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Foresight Nanotech Institute Feynman Prize

5x expanded by Antony-22 (talk). Self nom at 19:02, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Note: This is mostly a list article, the prose portion was expanded from ~300 bytes to ~1650 bytes.
Reviewed Spirit Fruit Society

Antoine Germain Labarraque

  • ... that chemist Antoine Labarraque helped to banish nasty niffs from the streets and buildings of 19th century Paris?

Created by Shadygrove2007 (talk). Self nom at 13:42, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svgDate, length, and references check out. I fixed a typo in one of the references (the page number for Knight should have been 427, not 429). Among the hooks you list I prefer ALT2 because of its greater specificity, but they're all ok. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:29, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

2012 United States federal budget

5x expanded by Antony-22 (talk). Self nom at 01:50, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Kommilitonen!

Sounding Point

Created by J04n (talk). Self nom at 00:39, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Michelle Linn-Gust

Linn-Gust in photo

  • ... that author Michelle Linn-Gust (pictured) released her first book Do They Have Bad Days in Heaven? Surviving the Suicide Loss of a Sibling which was about her experiences from her sister's suicide?

--BabbaQ (talk) 23:29, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • ALT1: ... that Michelle Linn-Gust's first book in 2001 gave advice on surviving the suicide of siblings?
  • ALT2: ... that Michelle Linn-Gust's first book in 2001 was about surviving her sister's suicide at age 17?
  • Comment: Article needs additional reliable, independent sources to establish eligibility of subject and article for notability; note lack of independent reviews of books in newspapers/magazines. Please note appropriate format for inline citations of sources.
Symbol possible vote.svg DYK eligibility requires additional work. Parkwells (talk) 20:55, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Carlton Hotel, Christchurch

Photo of a two storey building with earthquake damage.

Created by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 21:10, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article date, length, and ref all check out. J04n(talk page) 00:25, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Bruiser Brody Memorial Cup

Created by (talk). Self nom at 19:59, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Wait a miniute, The original hook is 35 characters over the limit. I think it probibly is the best one so it would be great if the characters could be cut down to be eligable. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 10:40, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
I believe I've crammed the original hook into 200 characters:
ALT3:... that 17 years after Bruiser Brody's 1988 murder, the stadium where he was killed was one of the venues of the Bruiser Brody Memorial Cup Tour, which featured his assailant, Invader I, on the card? OCNative (talk) 15:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Dagens man

Carolina Gynning is the host of Dagens man

self nom --BabbaQ (talk) 19:43, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed:Bhikshatana.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:53, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
  • While it looks like it's a "dejtingprogram" in Swedish, I changed the English in the hook from "datingshow" to "dating show". But if that's some new compound word that I haven't heard of, or if it's somehow desired stylistically, go ahead and change it back. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 23:26, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Twenty-five Year Award

The John Hancock Tower with the Charles river int he foreground

5x expanded by Found5dollar (talk). Self nom at 17:09, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Reviewed: I have a ton of reviews from this April fools, but if I find an article to review here i will.


  • ... that the record-setting Finnhorse trotter Reipas was originally a thin, weak foal of unknown parentage?

Created by Pitke (talk). Self nom at 15:05, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Cathy Cochran

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 08:21, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Date, length, hook ref verified. How about saying it a little punchier, like:
  • ALT1: ... that Texas Judge Cathy Cochran took her husband's surname when they married in 1966, and he took her maiden name in 2001? Yoninah (talk) 20:11, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Considering stereotypes about Texas Republicans (unlike in other states, Texas judges are partisan elected offices, by the way), I'd hate to leave that piece of information out, so how about:
  • Symbol confirmed.svg No problem. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 14:36, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


Stone sculpture of a nude, four-armed man with a deer, dwarf and woman

Created by Redtigerxyz (talk). Self nom at 11:12, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't that be "slipped off at the sight of the Hindu god Shiva"? Richerman (talk) 00:54, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Courtney Vandersloot

Picture of Courtney Vandersloot

Created by Dale Arnett (talk). Self nom at 07:56, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg DYK ready. Everything checks out. For original hook to be used.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:57, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Mote Park (cricket ground)

Created by The C of E (talk). Self nom at 07:07, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Date Length and ref verified. Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते 10:35, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Dwight B. Heard

  • ... that Dwight B. Heard is credited with the expansion of Arizona's cotton industry after becoming president of the Arizona Cotton Association?

Created by Buggie111 (talk). Self nom at 00:25, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg reference says he is credited with making industry more competitive not that he is credited with its expansion. Richerman (talk) 01:21, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Economy growth does not equal expansion? What do you suggest? Buggie111 (talk) 01:26, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, have I missed something about economy growth in the source? If not I would just say he's credited with making industry more competitive internationally. Richerman (talk) 01:40, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Oh, the source. Yes, I see your point. How 'bout this? Buggie111 (talk) 02:15, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • ... that Dwight B. Heard is credited with making Arizona's cotton industry more competitive after becoming president of the Arizona Cotton Association?
Symbol confirmed.svg OK, change the line in article to that too and it's good to go Richerman (talk) 09:33, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

You Debt Your Life

5x expanded by User:89119e (talk). Self nom at 06:24, 9 April 2011 (UTC)


Rushbearing at Long Millgate Manchester.jpg

  • that the ancient custom of rushbearing (pictured) has died out in most of Britain but is still celebrated in parts of the northwest of England?

5x expanded by Richerman (talk). Self nom at 01:13, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg I prefer ALT1, I think it is more interesting. Looks good. (The original hook I did not check.) Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 09:08, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Aha! Bible thumpers and the demon drink - always good combination. I just thought the hook may be a bit long, but if not I'm happy to go with that. Richerman (talk) 18:15, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Seven Wonders of Colombia

created by Alwhorl (talk). Self nom at 20:02, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article has only 231 characters in prose (1500 required). Please expand it. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 08:56, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
  • No one notified creator/nominator Alwhorl (talk) that there is a problem with this DYK nomination, so I have just done so here. OCNative (talk) 01:52, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 10

Celts in Transylvania

The Celtic Helmet from Ciumeşti, Transylvania (Romania)

5x expanded by Boldwin (talk). Nominated by Codrinb (talk) at 16:21, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg Date, 5x expansion and hook check, but I have to question the title of the article. Transylvania is part of Dacia and most of the article is about the Celtic occupation of Dacia. I think the article should be called "Celts in Dacia" for accuracy but use the Transylvania line for the hook.Thelmadatter (talk) 18:46, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
This is a good question. Yet, the ancient Dacia’s area was larger than the territory of the modern-day Transylvania. The books where I took information from were specifying Transylvania. The article is including information of the Celtic sites, inscriptions, artifacts from the area of Transylvania. If we change the name, we have to include Celtic and Celto-Dacian sites from Southern Poland, East Hungary, Southwestern Slovakia, and other sites from South and East Romania. It would be probably better, to clarify better this demarcation Dacia vs Transylvania, in the article's sections. Do you have any suggestion? Boldwin (talk) 19:48, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
A few sections were updated and some clarifications were added to show the focus on the part of Dacia that is today Transylvania. Also, although there were Celts in other parts of Dacia (and in what Romans and Greek call Moesia and Scythia Minor), the Celtic presence is far more substantial in Transylvania. Indeed, the scope of the article could be extended, but I think that should be done outside the DYK since there is a lot more to be covered in such a case. If a Celts in Dacia article will get started, generic parts of Celts in Transylvania could be moved there at that time. --Codrin.B (talk) 20:15, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Mancusi v. DeForte

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 16:07, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Henry Conybeare

East end of an 1866 church modelled on the Sainte-Chapelle

Created by GuillaumeTell (talk). Self nom at 15:38, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


A specimen of Bumastus crawling along the sand beneath shallow water.

  • ... that the extinct trilobite Bumastus (artist's rendition pictured) was named after its resemblance to large grapes?
  • Comment: My third self nom. Image is my own work and specifically created for the article.

Created by Obsidian Soul (talk). Self nom at 20:45, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Length, history and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 16:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Treaty of Chernomen

Created by Gligan (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 08:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Date, length, and hook are all good; no reason for this not to go to the Main Page. Nyttend (talk) 12:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Edward J. Burke

Created by Editorofthewiki (talk). Self nom at 23:43, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Move to mainspace date. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 23:43, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
    • Symbol confirmed.svg Length, date, hook fact, and hook length check out. Incidentally, a search on the NCAA's website[40] reveals Burke's birth date as December 4, 1945 (he's listed under Eddie Burke). Would be nice to get that basic biographical detail in the article, but the article's good to go either way. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 02:50, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


Created by Paul Bedson (talk). Nominated by Paul Bedson (talk) at 00:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Reworded slightly to something that seems to be what was intended. Daniel Case (talk) 04:29, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

M2 gas mask

  • ... that the M2 gas mask protected the wearer for at least five hours against the common World War I chemical weapon phosgene?

Created by Buggie111 (talk). Nominated by Buggie111 (talk) at 18:06, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Date, length, hook ref verified. However, much of the information is based on a blog. I found at least 3 good sources for further information on Google Books, and listed the links on the talk page. Perhaps you could wean off the blog and polish up the article with the book info? Yoninah (talk) 19:32, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Drat! I didn't know it was a blog. I'll try to. does the other site (Gasmasklexicon) count as an RS? Buggie111 (talk) 23:00, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Acropyga acutiventris and Xenococcus annandalei

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nom at 09:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length verified, DYK hook facts verified for both hooks. I think, there should not be commas in the hook above. I like shorter ALT1. --Snek01 (talk) 11:02, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
ATL1: ... that the queen ant of the Acropyga acutiventris carries a mealybug Xenococcus annandalei in her jaws on her nuptial flight?

Samantha McClymont

Created by WWGB (talk). Self nom at 02:15, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Ethiopian eunuch

The baptism of the eunuch by Rembrandt

Created by StAnselm (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Looks good to go, quote unable to be verified from inaccessible reference, but AGF. WWGB (talk) 12:35, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I've added a Google Books link. Roscelese (talkcontribs) 16:29, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Adam Eckfeldt

Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 22:12, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Date, length OK. Offline hook ref AGF. The hook is a bit staid, though. What do you think about:
  • ALT1: ... that when the first cents coined by the US Mint were ridiculed for their crudeness, Mint worker Adam Eckfeldt replaced the chain design with a wreath and put a trefoil under Liberty's head? Yoninah (talk) 19:05, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
That's fine. Thank you for the review.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:16, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting keep.svg ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:48, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

St Mary Magdalene's Church, Tortington

Three-quarter view of a grey flint and stone church in a churchyard with many gravestones. A prominent arched entrance and a white turret on the roof are visible at the far end.

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 22:05, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Length and date verified. Offline hook accepted in good faith. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 03:08, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Walter Gilbert (cricketer)

Created by Sarastro1 (talk). Self nom at 21:25, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, ref all checked, though subscription ref accepted in good faith, everything in order, well done.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:07, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

List of Scotland national football team hat-tricks

5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 18:35, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Bit of an unusual one as the DYK check tool is saying that it isn't a 5x expansion although my calculator is saying it is. Previous count was 344, and current expansion places it at 1780 characters. 344x5=1720, so not sure why the addon is saying no. :( Miyagawa (talk) 18:38, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg I get the same numbers with the DYK check and it seems OK to me. Hook checks out and refs all good. Is it necessary to say "sets of hat-tricks" or would "hat-tricks" be enough? --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:15, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for review, have amended hook. Miyagawa (talk) 21:59, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Jefferson nickel

Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 17:10, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Church of St John the Baptist, Upper Eldon--Wehwalt (talk) 17:10, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Church of St John the Baptist, Upper Eldon

A simple flint church with a red tiled roof

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 13:45, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Checked history, length, reference. All looks good!--Wehwalt (talk) 17:07, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

North Piddle

Created by Mbz1 (talk). Nominated by Canuckle (talk) at 08:17, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Date, length, ref OK. But the ref does not say it was "one of England's strongest earthquakes"; this has to be deduced from the link, which is not OK for DYK. The ref says what the article says: it "exceeded in violence any previous instance of seismic energy here within the present century". Would you like to re-word the hook?--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:35, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Would "one of 19th-Century England's" be appropriate? Canuckle (talk) 03:53, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Well, that's correct, but it's still not what the source actually says. As the earthquake occurred in 1896, and it was the strongest of the century to date, it probably was the strongest in the century. But again that is deduction. Can you make anything of its occurrence in 1896 and the extract I quoted above? Or, to keep it simple, just leave out the bit about its being the strongest and confine the hook to the the date and the witness's experiences and speculations.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:31, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
The source does not say that they thought the earthquake was caused by a meteor, but rather that the flash of light accompanying it was attributed to a meteor. Would you accept:
  • ALT2 ... that the flash of light accompanying an earthquake in 1896 was attributed by some residents of North Piddle to a large meteor? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Sure.--Mbz1 (talk) 20:41, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg for ALT2. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:54, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Supernatural (Des'ree album)

  • ... that Supernatural, a 1998 album by British singer Des'ree, sold 50,000 copies in the United States, although her 1994 album I Ain't Movin' sold over a million copies?

Created by Adabow (talk). Self nom at 05:07, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Looks good to me. Jheald (talk) 15:57, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Shubra Khit

  • ... that the detonation of the Mamluk's flagship's magazine at the Battle of Shubra Khit sent both the Mamluk flotilla and ground forces in full retreat?

Created by Buggie111 (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • How could I have missed that? Darn. I'm fine with having mine deleted and the other continue on, it's got nearly the exact same info. Guess I shouldn't wait years when making articles in my userspace! Buggie111 (talk) 21:35, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Abuse defense

5x expanded by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 05:02, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, expansion, appropriate number of characters (must avoid inappropriate joke), and (regrettably) hook all check out. This is ready for DYK. We are left with the question whether this should be intentionally placed on the Main Page at the same time as Ethiopian eunuch or whether it should be intentionally placed at a different time. OCNative (talk) 01:09, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Hee! Roscelese (talkcontribs) 02:04, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I absolutely support putting the two together. How often do we get to have two wiener hooks in the same batch? --Cryptic C62 · Talk 03:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


A Gandrung dancer with traditional costume, a fan and a shawl in a dance movement.

created by Awewe (talk). Self nom at 20:02, 10 April 2011 (UTC+8)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:47, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Rome bid for the 2020 Summer Olympics

Created by Yk Yk Yk (talk). Self nom at 23:18, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Highest opening stand against England in Australia

Created by Philip Jelley (talk). Self nom Philipjelley (talk) 13:55, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 11

Christian Thomas (ice hockey)

5x expanded by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 17:29, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Note that this article is currently at AfD, so this nomination is contingent on a "keep" close. Rlendog (talk) 17:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Theodoxus fluviatilis

A photo of two red semiovular shells with beige dots

5x expanded by Snek01 (talk). Self nom at 23:29, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Expansion, date and hook ref verified. I added "the" before "snail" in the hook. —Bruce1eetalk 12:02, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Charles Alston

5x expanded by Missvain (talk). Self nom at 22:03, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Length and date are fine, and the hook is quite interesting. I think we could link to African American as well. But did you review an article here? StAnselm (talk) 22:43, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed something, spaced it. African American can be linked too, fine with me. Missvain (talk) 22:52, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Great! I've added the wikilink. StAnselm (talk) 00:12, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Black Eagle Dam

A dynamite explosion tears apart a portion of a weir dam on a river

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 14:12, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Length and date verified; sources taken in good faith. Suggest rewording the hook to show that only a portion of the dam was dynamited (rather than the whole dam was blown up). The picture also needs to be referred to in the hook. matt (talk) 17:02, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
  • ALT:... that a portion of Black Eagle Dam (pictured) was dynamited on April 14, 1908, so that floodwaters from the collapsed Hauser Dam could pass through?

Bright Angel (Waterhouse)

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 12:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Brian Morris (judge)

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 01:22, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Loire Valley chansonniers

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 23:39, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Cool! Checks out and looks good to me! Missvain (talk) 22:51, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


Created by User:Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 23:23, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed self-propelled particles.
  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Length and hook are fine, offline reference accepted in good faith - Basement12 (T.C) 14:25, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

6th Arizona Territorial Legislature

Created by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 23:07, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Date, length, and hook check out; offline refs accepted in good faith. This is good to go for DYK. By the way, I love this entire Arizona Territorial Legislature series you're doing; great job on them all! Also, while reviewing this article for DYK, I took the liberty of including "(a future Governor of California)" after George Stoneman's name and I changed "The session convened on January 11, 1971" to "The session convened on January 11, 1871" as I assume that this was a typo (i.e. the session was delayed 2 years, not 102 years). OCNative (talk) 02:05, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Gunda Gunda Gunde

  • ... that, with over 220 volumes, the monastery of Gunda Gunde has one of the largest collections of Ge'ez manuscripts in Ethiopia?

Created by Llywrch (talk). Self nom at 21:21, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Date and length are ok but I have 2 problems with this 1) the hook doesn't seem fully supported by the sources - please can you specify where it is mentioned as one of the largest collections. I couldn't find it in the sources. My second problem concerns the name. It seems more frequently referred to as Gunda Gunde when searched for, including modern 2007 sources. Gunda Gunda sounds cooler (like Zenga Zenga) but I think it's important to keep article with the most current and most widely used naming conventions, so this might be worth a check. Thanks! Good article apart from that btw. Paul Bedsontalk 23:15, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
  • About the name: Due to a lack of a standardized transliteration system for Amharic -> English, spelling Ethiopian names are very inconsistent. (See the footnote to Wukro for one set of examples.) However, I went back to my printed sources, & they all use "Gunda Gunde" -- so I'll fix that. (I must have confused this monastery with a village 50 km away, just across the border in Eritrea: Guna guna.) As for your first point, I'll need to do some more research to confirm or correct that fact; however, considering that the library of the average Ethiopian church or monastery contains less than a dozen volumes, 200 volumes is a very large number. -- llywrch (talk) 00:07, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg Length and date are okay. However, I was unable to find references to the "one of the largest collections of its kind in Ethiopia" claim in the cited source. Toдor Boжinov 08:10, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
  • After a lot of searching, I've found source which states it was (at one time) the largest library of "Abyssinian" literature (which is the older Western name for the Ge'ez language) & have added more material to put the size of its collection in perspective, compared to both inside & outside the country. I don't know if that satisfies all of the concern with that statement, or I should come up with a different hook. -- llywrch (talk) 21:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Sorry for requiring so much additional work on your part. The de Jacobis statement seems a bit too distant in time to be considered valid today. Your research has proven that there are larger collections, but not that this one is among the largest (in fact, the two you have cited are significantly larger). Perhaps it would be better to come up with a hook that can be more easily sourced. Why not use the bit about the dragon? Toдor Boжinov 12:38, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • No problem about the extra work. (I enjoy doing the research. ;-) But as for an alternative hook, I'd rather not use the dragon: many Christian sites are located where mythical creatures or pagan sacred sites. How about a hook like, "... that, despite being an important institution of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, the monastery of Gunda Gunde provided many converts to the Roman Catholic missionary and later saint Justin de Jacobis"? -- llywrch (talk) 19:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Lardea, Ktenia (fortress)

Created by Gligan (talk), TodorBozhinov (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 20:07, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Dates and lengths both good. AGF of offline, foreign language sources. --Allen3 talk 12:58, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

5th Arizona Territorial Legislature

Created by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 17:05, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Everything seems good to go! Buggie111 (talk) 18:06, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

1924–25 Nelson F.C. season

Created by BigDom (talk). Self nom at 15:54, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, hook ref all verified. Good to go. --TIAYN (talk) 19:45, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Felicia D. Henderson

Created by Ruby2010 comment! 06:05, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, hook ref all verified. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 18:54, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Barend Joseph Stokvis

5x expanded by Jfdwolff (talk). Self nom at 15:21, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svgDates and lengths both look good. Hook and article appear consistent with provided online sources, so AGF of offline sourcing. The nomination however does not include any proof of a hook review as required by rule 5 of the selection criteria. The review is needed before this nomination can be approved. --Allen3 talk 17:48, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Mikhail Pervukhin

5x created/expanded by TIAYN (talk) 19:43, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: 1924–25 Nelson F.C. season

Symbol possible vote.svg Length and date. But fact on being First Deputy Premier is only mentioned in the lede, needs mention further down with hook. Also, the sentence where he's mentioned as important in the atomic programme should have a ref directly after it. --Soman (talk) 02:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

    • Fixed There is not one specific sentence which says he was a central figure..... --TIAYN (talk) 12:10, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 12

Ricky Hunter

Mitt Romney presidential campaign, 2012

Created by GageSkidmore (talk), MAINEiac4434 (talk). Nominated by Wasted Time R (talk) at 04:53, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Alimuddin Zumla

Created by CaliforniaAliBaba (talk). Self nom at 03:08, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed #Garcorops jadis. cab (call) 07:48, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Kawasaki's theorem

Flat-folded origami illustrating Kawasaki's theorem

5x expanded by David Eppstein (talk). Self nom at 21:29, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Tesco bomb campaign

  • ... that police used cryptic messages placed in a newspaper and disguised as Mensa puzzles to communicate with the perpetrator of a letter bomb campaign?

Created by HJ Mitchell (talk). Self nom at 17:36, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Pedro Virgili

  • ... that Pedro Virgili was one of the most prominent royal surgeons of Spain in the 18th century?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 09:57, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Felipe González González

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 09:41, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Everything looks good; AGF for the Spanish sources. Nyttend (talk) 03:35, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Center Point, Camp County, TexasDr. Blofeld 09:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Allocosa brasiliensis

  • ... that in the burrowing wolf spider Allocosa brasiliensis, males often eat older, less fecund females that they lured into their burrow using pheromones, while preferredly mating with virgins?

Created by Sarefo (talk). Self nom at 09:29, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  • requested picture of species from Anita Aisenberg --Sarefo (talk) 09:29, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Date and length check. AGF on the pheremone portion; the rest checks directly. I would suggest tightening the hook to "... that males burrowing wolf spiders Allocosa brasiliensis often eat older, less fecund females but mate with virgins?" Rlendog (talk) 17:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Added some description. Actually the fact that spider males are larger than females and will eat them is the real novelty here. Possibly something like "... unlike many other spiders, where females eat males, the males of Allocosa brasiliensis often eat their females, particularly if these have already mated." Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 20:36, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Church of St Thomas à Becket, Capel

A church with a tower surmounted by a pyramidal roof

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 09:23, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

The Motherfucker With the Hat

Created by MZMcBride (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 07:59, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg This article still needs a little more work before it is ready. The majority of the current text is quotations from reviews (indeed, the article reads like a review), and if I exclude those, it falls short of the length requirement. Also, several of the paragraphs with the reviews lack inline citations to the actual articles they quote; I imagine they were taken from the aggregation on StageGrade, but I don't think that's ideal in terms of sourcing. I would also suggest that a more interesting hook could be found than a statistic (like perhaps that it was Chris Rock's theater debut?). Dominic·t 08:55, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
On hold - OK; give me a few days, I'll try to improve it as you said. This is still 'new' so it'll still be within the 5 days. I'll let you know. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  20:46, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Leigh Newton

Created by Jenks24 (talk). Self nom at 07:33, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, hook and refs check out OK.  Chzz  ►  08:06, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

James C. Nelson

  • ALT1:... that James C. Nelson, appointed as a Montana Supreme Court Justice by Republican Governor Marc Racicot, wrote that blocking same-sex marriage was a "societal cancer grounded in bigotry and hate?"
  • Reviewed: 6th Arizona Territorial Legislature ([48])
  • Comment: Before my edits, this article was completely unsourced and consisted of 139 characters: "James C. Nelson (February 20, 1944 – ) is a justice on the Montana Supreme Court. He has served on the court since his appointment in 1993." With my edits, it is now 3,245 characters. This meets the requirements for both the newly-sourced BLP 2x expansion and the 5x expansion of any article.

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 02:47, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

St. Andrews Biological Station

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 00:09, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Ref checks out (Fisheries and Oceans Canada, sounds OK), length c. 3000 words of prose, article looks to be of a good standard.  Chzz  ►  07:15, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Song Beneath the Song

  • Reviewed: Appy Awards ([49])
  • Comment: Created in a sandbox on 25 March, moved to the mainspace on 12 April.

Created by Frickative (talk). Self nom at 00:04, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


5x expanded by Hybernator (talk). Self nom at 23:33, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg A couple of concerns.

1) In the article, can you give an inline reference for unifying the country for the third time in Burmese history.
2) Is this a 5 times expansion, following the 5 day Rule? I see the previous edit of 26 March 2011. 8,079 bytes X 5 would be about 40,000 bytes and 5 days would be 31 March 2011, NOT 12 April 2011, some 17 days later. Wikipedia:Did you know#DYK rules
IF you can address these above two issues, I would feel more comfortable passing it. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell talk 14:13, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
IF I use this tool, the History shows on 26 March 2011 the article had 3424 bytes and on 12 April 2011 it had 23,986 - so, I'll approve length as being over 5 times expansion. So, IF you could address the issue of the rule of 5 days - then we could have approval.--Doug Coldwell talk 15:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Communion token

Communion token from South Leith Parish Church

Created by StAnselm (talk). Self nom at 22:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Kenmare Sorceress

A black and white drawing of a solid looking tall terrier. The dog faces right and it has a well trimmed coat.

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 20:34, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, hook, ref okay. Good to go --Epipelagic (talk) 21:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 20:33, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:05, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

List of number-one dance hits of 2005 (UK)

5x expanded by A Thousand Doors (talk). Self nom at 20:15, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Comment: This may be the sort of hook that you need to AGF on. Each week is sourced, so if someone wanted to go through and check every number one, they could, but I can assure you that both hooks are correct. I'll leave it to the discretion of the reviewer. A Thousand Doors (talk) 20:15, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Reviewed: White Ware ([50]) A Thousand Doors (talk) 20:22, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Phoenix Tower, Chester

A sandstone tower with a battlemented parapet

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 19:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go. All criteria check out. Maile66 (talk) 01:31, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

180 Degrees South: Conquerors of the Useless

5x expanded by MichaelQSchmidt (talk) at 19:38, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Send tape echo echo delay

Photograph of a large white Georgian townhouse in North East London.

Created by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 16:54, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length, date, hook, ref, image all OK. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:18, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


Created by Mbz1 (talk). Self nom at 15:33, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Andrew Harclay, 1st Earl of Carlisle

Medieval manuscript drawing of man in armour throwing a spear from a rampart.

5x expanded by Lampman (talk). Self nom at 15:03, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Reviewed. Date, hook, length, ref okay. Length close to 5x expansion. Hybernator
  • Is that a pass? It may be a few words short, but I didn't want to add more just for that. Lampman (talk) 13:16, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Adrian Dodson

Created by Basement12 (talk). Self nom at 11:01, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, hook are verified.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:27, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Spring Creek Site

Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 00:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Comment I've exhausted my Wikipedia time for the evening, so I'll not be able to review anything until tomorrow at least. Nyttend (talk) 00:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Timeliness of submission, article length, and hook length all check out. Offline cite AFG. Article is ready to go. - Tim1965 (talk) 14:07, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Appy Awards

Created by The Rambling Man (talk). Self nom at 16:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Date, length and hook verified. Interesting topic. Maybe "was named App of the Year", or "won the App of the Year accolade"? If you prefer the wording as is, that's fine with me. Good to go once you've reviewed a nomination (or provided a diff, if you've already done so and I've missed it). Frickative 23:00, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Excellent, everything's verified and ready here. Frickative 17:16, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 13

Charles Silent

Created by Allen3 (talk). Nominated by Nyttend (talk) at 11:53, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Joseph Bloomfield Leake

Created by Farragutful (talk). Nominated by Nyttend (talk) at 11:53, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Great Britain at the 1994 Winter Paralympics

Created by Basement12 (talk). Self nom at 11:07, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Reviewed 8th & 9th Arizona State Legislature (diff)

Garcorops jadis

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 05:39, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, and hook verified (pages 3 and 6 of ref #1). Cheers, cab (call) 07:45, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Nata Bird Sanctuary

Pelicans in the nata Bird Sanctuary
  • ... that the community initiated Nata Bird Sanctuary (Pictured pelicans in the reserve) in Botswana received the "Tourism for Tomarrow Award for the Southern Hemisphere” in 1993 in the very first year of its establishment?

Created by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 00:01, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Reviewed Aziz Ahmad.--Nvvchar. 01:20, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Length and referencing are good. Hook reference taken on good faith.--Kevmin § 05:23, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Baltocteniza & Electrocteniza

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 22:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Aziz Ahmad

Created by Qrsdogg (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

    • Symbol confirmed.svg Nice. Length, reference to hook and date verified. Ready to go.--Nvvchar. 01:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC) [

Chris Allison (police officer)

5x expanded by January (talk). Self nom at 17:38, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Stalin's poetry

Created by Sandstein (talk). Self nom at 17:33, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, leangth, and hook are all fine. Qrsdogg (talk) 18:13, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

10th Arizona Territorial Legislature

Created by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 16:46, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg AGF for offline sources. January (talk) 17:23, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

No sé si es Baires o Madrid

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 16:28, 13 April 2011 (UTC). Self nom at 16:27, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Madonna (book). Jaespinoza (talk) 16:33, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Ruislip-Northwood Urban District

5x expanded by Harrison49 (talk). Self nom at 15:20, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Article previously ~1400 characters, now ~7800; Hook length OK; AGF for hook ref (ISBN checks out). Good to go. --GuillaumeTell 16:03, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Jovan Skerlić

Jovan Skerlić

  • ... that Jovan Skerlić's (pictured) role in literature and general cultural and political development has resulted in the suggestion that the period in Serbian history should be named after him?

Created by WhiteWriter (talk), (talk). Self nom at 14:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, hook are verified.Good article. Leidseplein (talk) 04:07, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Matthew Stockford

Created by Basement12 (talk). Self nom at 14:30, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Reviewed triniscope ([56])
Symbol confirmed.svg Article new enough, long enough, and hook cited. Citation checks out. 78.26 (talk) 04:35, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Louise Bourgeois Boursier

1875 sketch of Louise Bourgeous Boursier

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 13:52, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Dates, lengths, and sourcing all look good. --Allen3 talk 16:43, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Messier 103

Messier 103 taken by Two Micron All Sky Survey (2MASS)

  • ... that the star cluster Messier 103 (pictured) can be observed with the use of binoculars?

Expanded from 313 characters of prose to 2012 article of prose. --TitanOne (talk) 13:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

8th Arizona Territorial Legislature, 9th Arizona Territorial Legislature

Created by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 13:05, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Length(s), date(s) and hook are fine, AGF for offline references - Basement12 (T.C) 11:03, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Spill (audio)

Speaker iconExample of drum kit spill into a snare drum microphone

Created by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 11:51, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Comment: Sound isn't the exact same file as is used in the article, but it is a shortened version for use in DYK. matt (talk) 12:03, 13 April 2011 (UTC) Changed original. matt (talk) 10:22, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


Created by Bruce1ee (talk). Self nom at 11:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article creation, article length, hook length and hook sourcing all check out. Prefer the first hook over the alt. Wasted Time R (talk) 04:41, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 11:26, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Fred Laycock

  • ... that while playing for Barrow, footballer Fred Laycock left the pitch to sign for Nelson before completing the match, and was then fined for representing Barrow while contracted to another club?

Created by BigDom (talk). Self nom at 11:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Length and date ok, but article doesn't state that Laycock was fined for representing Barrow while contracted to another club – it just says he was fined. I'm sure that's the reason why, but either the article or the hook should be updated based on the source (which I've taken in good faith as it's an offline reference). matt (talk) 11:57, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • I've added the extra info to the article, so it should be fine now. Cheers, BigDom (talk) 15:11, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Taken in AGF, all good to go. matt (talk) 15:50, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Huntsman Marine Science Centre

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 03:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Center Point, Camp County, Texas

Created by Maile66 (talk). Self nom at 01:43, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length and hooked approved. Good to see a decent article on a ghost town rather than the sub stubs we generally have. Can you though add a citation next to the Barbara Smith Conrad just for the sake of the hook? Cheers.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Not exactly sure what you meant, as there is an inline citation in the article's section about Barbara Smith Conrad, a reference which states where she was born. However, I added that citation also in the lead section where I have stated that's where she was born. Does that take care of what you thought it needed? Maile66 (talk) 11:43, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Riki Papakura

Created by User:Mattlore (talk). Self nom at 01:28, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I've formatted the nomination to align with DYK practices (insert wikilinks, target article in bold, unlink title, question mark). The article itself is suitably referenced, new and the hook fact can be AGFed. At 1100B of readable prose, it is too short to meet DYK requirements, though. Schwede66 02:23, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Schwede, nice to see a familiar face here. Try now - I've expanded it a bit - otherwise I'll have to dig some books up to expand it more. Mattlore (talk) 05:28, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Pictogram voting keep.svg Long enough now (just). There can't be many rugby league players left that you haven't written a bio for, eh? Schwede66 07:49, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Phew! Ah, theres enough out there that could keep me going for a long long long time. Mattlore (talk) 07:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Madonna (book)

  • ... that author Andrew Morton's biography, Madonna, had an initial print run of 500,000 copies, but sold only half its amount?

Created by Legolas2186 (talk). Self nom at 10:28, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Pictogram voting keep.svg Ready to go. (BTW, big fan of your work). Jaespinoza (talk) 16:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

CTV Building

Diggers working in building rubble in front of a burned lift shaft

  • ... that more than 100 people died in the CTV Building (ruins pictured)?

Created by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 23:17, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 14

Arroyo Seco, Querétaro

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 18:37, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Messier 91

  • ... that Messier 91 (pictured) was a missing object in Messier's catalogue until William C. Williams rediscovered it in 1969?

Expanded 5X; from 310 characters of prose to 1955 characters of prose --TitanOne (talk) 14:51, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Jack the Giant Killer (2012 film)

Created by TriiipleThreat (talk). Self nom at 12:50, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Sectoral representation in the House of Representatives of the Philippines

Mikey Arroyo wearing a suit and tie.

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 12:09, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Clara Clarita. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 12:26, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Clara Clarita

Clara Clarita

Created by Gatoclass (talk). Self nom at 12:05, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg I can't easily find the fact that it managed a speed of 1/2 mph. I found one stating it ran at 12 mph. I did see "we made one mile and a quarter in just two hours and a half." but this should've been more explicit.–HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 12:25, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
"One mile and a quarter in just two hours and a half" is precisely 1/2 mph. But if you want confirmation, you only have to look at the next reference in line, following the sentence Jerome's account was corroborated by two further letters to the Times, from E. Riggs and Clara Clarita's commander, Captain Alex Smith, which states that the yacht "went at the extraordinary rate of about half a knot", here. Gatoclass (talk) 12:33, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes, but like I said it should've more explicit, like "one mile and a quarter in just two hours and a half (1/2 mph)". I reckon most people are not into boat speeds and may not realize that knot is about as equal as 1 mph, nor do they have to mentally compute 0.525 mi/2.5 hrs=1/5 mph. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 12:53, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Well, the "half a knot" comment is not included in the article - I used the 1/2 mile per hour statement precisely because far more people know what mph means than knot. In relation to your comment however, I think "one mile and a quarter in just two hours and a half" ought to be perfectly accessible to anyone with even the most rudimentary grasp of arithmetic. Gatoclass (talk) 13:21, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
I'll let others have their take on this. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 13:54, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
I think this hook is deliberately misleading. The article clearly states that it reached a speed of 12 mph; nowhere does it say that the boat had a maximum speed of 0.5 as the hook implies. BigDom (talk) 15:35, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
The yacht reached a speed of 12 mph after its original engine was replaced. The original engine could only manage a speed of 1/2 mph, when the yacht was new. That is a simple, verifiable statement of fact. Gatoclass (talk) 16:55, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
No it's not a fact, or at least the article doesn't say that it is. The fact that the boat travelled 1.25 miles in 2.5 hours does not mean, in any way, that it reached a maximum speed of 0.5 mph, it means that its average speed was 0.5 mph on that particular voyage. Indeed, it is more than likely that higher speeds were reached that day. There is no evidence that the boat could only manage 0.5 mph. BigDom (talk) 17:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
That would have to be about the most pedantic point I have ever encountered on this page. You think the hook is misleading because you can hypothesize that maybe the boat went a fraction faster at some point in its 2 1/2 hour voyage? Please be reasonable. The point is that the engine was a piece of useless junk, if it managed to go at 0.6 mph at some point in its voyage and 0.4 at another, that is hardly a reason to challenge the hook as "misleading". Gatoclass (talk) 18:31, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Wharton Reef Light

Created by Muhandes (talk). Self nom at 10:06, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The source only states that it was the last such light in operation, not that it is the last surviving example of its type. Gatoclass (talk) 11:59, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks for letting me know on my user talk page that there is a problem</sarcasm>. This source states very clearly "It is the only survivor of a series of 20 acetylene-burning automatic lights...", and indeed it should have been cited inline. I added it now. --Muhandes (talk) 18:12, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg That looks fine now. Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 18:35, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Monastery of the Virgins

Created by Poliocretes (talk). Self nom at 09:21, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Size and date check, accepting offline source AGF. Ready to go. --Muhandes (talk) 09:59, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Hodgen's Cemetery Mound

A grass-covered mound in a cemetery with a tree growing from the top

Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 03:40, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting keep.svg Length, date, photo and hook (AGF) verified, ready to go. Poliocretes (talk) 09:12, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

HMS Polyanthus (K47)

HMS Polyanthus

Created by Leidseplein (talk). Self nom at 04:04, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg With "pictured" and other necessary bits, the hook is over 200 characters. Could you chop something? Nyttend (talk) 04:09, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
now shorter. Leidseplein (talk) 04:17, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
I've trimmed the hook some more and given it a tweak. Gatoclass (talk) 06:28, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Gendang beleq

Gendang beleq musicians.

created by Awewe (talk). Self nom at 22:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC+8)

Special occasion holding area

Do not nominate new articles for a special time in this section. Instead, please nominate them in the candidate entries section above under the date the article was created or the expansion began, and indicate your request for a specially-timed appearance on the Main Page.
Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual. Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination, but no more than six weeks before the occasion. April Fools' Day is an exception to these requirements - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know.

April 22 (Good Friday)

Jesus at Herod's Court

Jesus at Herod's Court

Created by History2007 (talk). Nominated by LiteralKa (talk) at 17:08, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

  • And the Bible passage next to it doesn't count as a citation? LiteralKa (talk) 02:10, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
  • comment: I hope for someone to go over the prose and improve "... in which Jesus appears before Herod Antipas in Jerusalem, prior to the Crucifixion of Jesus", for example. - "The scene" (in the hook) reads like theater, I would not present that on Good Friday when believers remember facts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
I have found a source that says that only Luke talked about it. I also second the motion that it should be held to be used on Good Friday. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 19:59, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
How's that as an improved hook? The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 20:03, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
The problem with ALT1 is that multiple Bible commentaries mention the story and thus make the hook technically untrue. I would suggest
"Appears" is different from "mentioned". LiteralKa (talk) 02:10, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg to Alt2. Seems good to me, I think that it is only right that we have at least 1 Christian based DYK on the main page on Good Friday. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 20:13, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Wow, that happened so fast. I did not know you guys where DYKing this. I only started writing it earlier today & had not checked it. Anyway, I added a more WP:RS source for the suggested hook. As for text improvements, go for it - I wrote it really quickly, so I will leave it to you guys to make it DYK presentable. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 20:13, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
  • This seems also a bit too fast to me. I would have left it in the suggestion section for more people to watch. The prose still says "Jesus appears ... before the crucifixion of Jesus" (... "before his crucifixion", if at all). For the source: can you get something more reliable then bible study or offline? For the hook: let's assume readers around the globe who don't know what "the Luke" is. Suggestion:
ALT3:... that of the Four Evangelists, only Luke reported the episode of Jesus at Herod's Court (pictured)?
Wha does "more reliable than offline" mean? I think you should AGF it, but if you still want to check, there you go. Also this and this. And I think ALT2 works fine, mentioning the Evangelists opens Gospel authorship questions, a Pandora's box that is best left closed on a DYK line on Good Friday. History2007 (talk) 23:04, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
I am not reviewing this, just commenting. Clarifying: "more reliable than bible study" meant one thing, an online source preferable to an offline one another, English is not my first language. If the additional sources are good, insert them in the article, not here, please. - Personally, I know the hook fact from reading the Bible. But Wikipedia needs a source. - I remember a good article on a Christian fact, Circumcision of Christ, if you want a feeling for what can be done in the field. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Actually there are three WP:RS references for that fact in the article, as well as the Bible study ref. It is generally hard to find a scholarly book online, unless it is G-books, and those links are not usually used in articles. And above all else, this is a non-controversial fact in that no one has ever written that it appears in two Gospels, because they could not point to the 2nd Gospel. So the three book refs are well within WP:V territory, and that fact is really well referenced by general standards in Wikipedia. History2007 (talk) 09:40, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


Rhacophorus vampyrus

  • ... that the tadpole of the Vampire flying frog Rhacophorus vampyrus has two fang-like hooks in its mouth?

Created by Newone (talk), Ka Faraq Gatri (talk). Nominated by Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) at 14:59, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Comment If the article meets DYK criteria, suggest moving it to Special Occasions section and keeping for Halloween. The authors of the paper on which this article is substantially based have stated that they intend to publish a separate paper on the tadpoles of this species so the move would also allow time for any material from this paper (assuming it is published in time) to be incorporated. Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) 16:56, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
  • That's confirmed. I agree that this should be kept for Halloween, especially as "A detailed description of the new tadpole will be published separately." which might be available by October. It's certainly an early start for the Halloween collection, does anyone think it is a problem to save it until then? SmartSE (talk) 23:41, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
SUPPORT waiting till Halloween, esp. if we can get a good, free picture of the scary tadpoles. --PFHLai (talk) 04:06, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg I've moved this as there were no objections. If someone wants to make a subpage for it, like we have for April Fools' nominations then feel free. SmartSE (talk) 12:46, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Comment Halloween is just under 10 months away. I can't help thinking that if every vaguely ghoulish or spooky article is saved up that long, it will create a massive backlog (and a precedent for other days). After all, there are only 3-4 sessions of 6 or 7 hooks available for any particular day. Bob talk 22:26, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Comment I have a raised eyebrow over this. Essentially were promoting an article to DYK, which in over half a year will appear on the main page. Would not this article be substatiannnly different from the one reviewed giving that theres 7+ months between creation and DYK appearance? Ottawa4ever (talk) 15:14, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Comment Good points. This article could be significantly different from the one reviewed by 31st October depending on whether or not the group concerned have published their second paper on the species (one which focuses specifically on the unusual tadpoles) by then. As it stands the article was written from all the extant scientific literature on the species (a single paper) and a smattering of popular press coverage (who probably won't ever revisit the species, unless a big deal is made out of the second paper). It is possible someone will re-write the article from the current sources, however, most articles on obscure species (of which this is one) don't have very high edit levels. For comparison, a large number of articles on other species in the same genus were created by Polbot and haven't been significantly altered since their creation in 2007. Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) 16:14, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your input. Ive opened a larger discussion here; Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Rhacophorus_vampyrus. Its not just that the article may be different, but also that dyk is in the spirit of new articles or recently expanded ones. As such (I feel) queing an article for 10 months is misleading our readers since it is a violation of both leading principles of dyk. Ottawa4ever (talk) 10:29, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

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