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  • President of the People's Republic of China → President of China – (Discuss) – Per WP:COMMONNAME, WIKIPEDIA:PRIMARYTOPIC and WIKIPEDIA:CONCISE TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 23:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • David French (political commentator) → David A. French – (Discuss) – WP:PTOPIC for the name David French. David A. French is good WP:NATURAL disambiguation. David French should redirect to David A. French. Page views, WikiNav. Schierbecker (talk) 19:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. JuniperChill (talk) 21:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ph1Lza → Philza – (Discuss) – It is preferrable to use names without numbers or stylization since that is also in use, meaning it is commonly used by sources and his Twitch username. Hence why P!NK is titled Pink (singer). See the bottom part of WP:STAGENAME. I feel as though a majority of sources actually use Philza too. JuniperChill (talk) 21:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hurricanes Abby and Celeste → Hurricane Abby (1960) – (Discuss) – The storm page was moved earlier this year to accommodate Hurricane Celeste, a storm that was not notable at all, without any discussion at all regarding it. The reason given was solely because Celeste directly formed from the remnants of Abby. I think this is a poor excuse to move an storm article like this because for example, you have Hurricane Francelia, of which its remnants contributed to Hurricane Glenda in the Eastern Pacific, and it only mentions that idea once throughout the article without any other content of the other hurricane. Plus, there is not enough information on Celeste to warrant a merge of both storms, as the overwhelming majority of the article talks about Abby. What I'm saying is, just because a storm is connected to another does not automatically mean to have both storms into one article, and this is why the move was carried out prematurely. I'm doing this not only because I think the move should be reverted, but because I want to see if there actually even is support for the current article name. ~ Sandy14156 (Talk ✉️) 21:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ketone bodies → Ketone body – (Discuss) – per WP:SINGULAR, singular form not that uncommon and therefore first choice, topic doesn't describe a specific group of things, consistency with Mallory body, Barr body, Councilman body, Psammoma body, Aschoff body, and Nissl body among others. –Tobias (talk) 19:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Protestant Church in Germany → Evangelical Church in Germany – (Discuss) – Both terms (in English) are used by the EKD itself, but Evangelical is the more common, more accurate term. Etymologically, evangelical/evangelische refers to the gospel (εὐαγγέλιον), while Protestant refers to the Protestation at Speyer. It is not true that "Evangelical" is the former name (see EKD en homepage), and it is also untrue that the term "Evangelical" strictly or primarily refers to the Evangelical/Mainline divide among American denominations. The onus must be on those preferring "Protestant" to demonstrate such a shift in meaning, and I do not feel that prior discussion participants have succeeded. If we are worried that the reader would make this false association, it could easily be cleared up in the body of the article. Survey of use: Ngram, World Council of Churches, Britannica. The lead could read, for example: "the Evangelical Church in Germany, (also called the Protestant Church in Germany)" Dirkwillems (talk) 17:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Words of estimative probability → Verbal probability – (Discuss) – Given that this has been here for a decade and a half now, I didn't want to move it unilaterally without giving people a chance to object beforehand, but verbal probability seems to be a much more concise way of defining the same topic, see for example a PLOS article.[1] I don't think "words of estimative probability" is used that much more often in literature, for all that Kent used it in their 1962 work, from what I can see, it's actually the other way around, even though we do have some that use it like van Tiel et al.[2] Of course, most literature does seem to tack on "word" or "phrase" or "expression" or something else like that, but they also seem to drop it easily enough when concision is desired, so I don't think it's necessary for our title here. I suppose probability phrase is another plausible alternate title if we want to stick to proper grammar, and it does seem to see some use in RS as well, but it seems overall less common, which is why I've opted for "verbal probability" instead. Should probably be a redirect though! Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Musique(s) électronique(s) : les bruitistes et leur descendance → Musique(s) électronique(s) – (Discuss) – Common name in cited sources, and more concise. The suggested title already redirects to this topic. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ToadetteEdit! 14:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Proton (technology company) → Proton AG – (Discuss) – Full company name. Simpler and more concise (WP:CONCISE). Allowed per WP:NCCORP. Strugglehouse (talk) 15:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ToadetteEdit! 14:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tungipara Sheikh family → Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman – (Discuss) – The current name of the article is Tungipara Sheikh family which is WP:OR. The name is originated from original research and no historical book or news article call this family by Tungipara Sheikh Family. This family, unlike Suhrawardy family, wasn’t part of publication or scholarly research before the creation of Bangladesh and before Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and that's why people didn’t give any specific name for the family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. There are many books and research papers mention the family as "Family of Bangabandhu" or "Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman". Bangabandhu is his title so it is reasonable to name this article Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. There are sources to verify my claim. For example, see this article where it says "8 Bangabandhu family members, relatives to contest polls". The Daily Star states "Bangabandhu family to get more security, free utility, foreign treatment" (see here). Now some sources also call this family as Sheikh family. See this Bengali source where it says in title "শেখ পরিবার থেকে নেতৃত্বে যারা" (lit. 'Those led from the Sheikh family'), but if you read the content then you will get "...দশম জাতীয় সংসদে বঙ্গবন্ধু পরিবারের সাত সদস্য ছিলেন। একাদশ জাতীয় সংসদ নির্বাচনে অংশ নেওয়া বঙ্গবন্ধু শেখ মুজিবুর রহমানের পরিবারের ৯ সদস্যই প্রতিনিধিত্ব করছেন.." (lit. '...There were seven members of the Bangabandhu family in the 10th National Parliament. 9 members of the family of Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman who participated in the 11th National Parliament election are represented...'). Now the question is if the nine members are really from the direct bloodline of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman or not. * Sheikh Hasina : Daughter of Mujib * Sheikh Selim : Son of Mujib's sister * Sheikh Fazle Noor Taposh : Son of Mujib's nephew * Sheikh Helal Uddin : Son of Mujib's brother * Noor-E-Alam Chowdhury Liton : Son of Hasina's cousins * Abul Hasanat Abdullah : Son of Mujib's brother-in-law * Sheikh Tonmoy son of Hasina's cousin * Sheikh Salahuddin Jewel : Son of Mujib's younger brother. * Mujibur Rahman Chowdhury : Son of Hasina's cousins. So it is not important if they are directly from Mujib's bloodline or not, the sources still call the family as Mujib's family and that family includes relatives and even distant relatives of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. Naming this family as Sheikh family or Sheikh–Wazed family or Sheikh–Kazi family is original research, and we should name it as Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman because we know the family because Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, father of the nation, came from the family. And the most important fact is reliable sources call the family by the family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. Mehedi Abedin 05:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ToadetteEdit! 14:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Special interest (autism) → Autistic special interests – (Discuss) – it should be moved to keep it concistent with autistic masking, autistic burnout and autistic meltdown plus autistic special intrests is a real term that is used i looked it up, it sounds better too Anthony2106 (talk) 06:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ToadetteEdit! 14:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Iṣṭa-devatā (Hinduism) → Ishtadevata – (Discuss) – As WP:ONEOTHER, the Sanskrit term Ishtadevata (IAST: Iṣṭa-devatā) is primarily used in Hinduism vis-a-vis Buddhism where Yidam (from Tibetan) is the popular term (ishtadevata is a ceremonial Sanskrit term). The following generic religion encyclopedias define the term in the Hindu context * An_Introductory_Dictionary_of_Theology p. 651 [1] * Encyclopedia of Love in World Religions:Page 301 - Yudit Kornberg Greenberg · 2007 * Encyclopedia of Spirits and Ghosts in World Mythology - Page 44 (under Devata entry) Theresa Bane · 2016 * The Encyclopedia of Yoga and Tantra - Page 352 Georg Feuerstein · 2022 Encyclopedia of Hinduism - Page 203 - Constance Jones, James D. Ryan · 2006: "Ishta devata (desired divinity) is an important concept in theistic Hinduism." - illustrates its importance in Hinduism Redtigerxyz Talk 14:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wesley Gassova → Wesley (footballer, born 2005) – (Discuss) – Per WP:COMMONAME. There are no quotes in the Brazilian sports media using the player's surname (examples [2], [3]), who on personal Instagram uses the surname Teixeira [4] Svartner (talk) 08:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Dong-a Ilbo → The Dong-A Ilbo – (Discuss) – Matching capitalization the company officially uses, per here. It's not clear to me that there's a strong contender for a WP:COMMONNAME via this ngram, so defaulting to the official spelling. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 07:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kakahu → Kakahu (locality) – (Discuss) – Kakahu are also Maori cloaks 185.10.224.66 (talk) 07:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Terminalia nigrovenulosa → Terminalia triptera – (Discuss) – Name has been restored, see: https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn%3Alsid%3Aipni.org%3Anames%3A171269-1. Roy Bateman (talk) 06:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Genocide of Indigenous peoples → Genocide of indigenous peoples – (Discuss) – "Indigenous" is only a proper name when adopted as conventional for a particular ethnic group, and when applied to the specific groups who have done so. As a general, global adjective it is not and cannot be a proper name (any more than the opposite, "colonial"), so should not be capitalized. See in particular the lead paragraph of MOS:CAPS: WP does not capitalize that which is not capitalized consistently across nearly all independent reliable sources, and "indigenous peoples" is not so capitalized (indeed, it is overwhelmingly lowercase [5][6], except in highly retrictive contexts that refer to specific populations who have adopted the term self-referentially as a name in English). This same situation is true of all such terms such as "native" and "aboriginal". "Aboriginal" is capitalized in reference to native Australians, and "Native" is capitalized in "Native Americans" in reference to the aboribinal peoples of what is now the US and sometimes (in American usage) all of the Americas. But "native" is not capitalized (by the preponderance of modern reliable sources) in reference to Australians, nor "aboriginal" in reference to Americans, and neither is capitalized in "the native (aboriginal) peoples and languages of Siberia and Central Asia before the Soviet Union", etc. PS: There may be other over-capitalized articles of this sort, but perhaps take them one at a time, since some might pertain more narrowly to groups that have taken on "Indigenous" as a self-referential name/label.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Four senses of Scripture → Four senses of Scripture (Christianity) – (Discuss) – The article is primarily focused on the four senses that Christians use when interpreting scripture. There is a separate page for the parallel Jewish practice (see Pardes (Jewish exegesis)) so I think this article should just be the Christian version and its name should reflect that. Maybe this article could be moved to Four senses of Scripture (Christianity), and the current name Four senses of Scripture could be changed into a disambiguation page. 2601:49:8400:26B:7D04:C827:8A9C:D6FB (talk) 02:09, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Flybe → Flybe (2022–2023) – (Discuss) – A previous RM in February 2023 immediately after the airline was grounded was not successful on the basis of WP:TOOSOON. Over a year later, it is now clear that the airline is not going to resume operations. If there is a WP:PRIMARY, it would be the the airline that traded for 30 years, Flybe (1979-2020), not this one that traded for 9 months. Propose that this article be renamed Flybe (2022–2023) and Flybe become a disambiguation page. Gleeesqu (talk) 00:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ Wintle, Bonnie C.; Fraser, Hannah; Wills, Ben C.; Nicholson, Ann E.; Fidler, Fiona (2019-04-17). "Verbal probabilities: Very likely to be somewhat more confusing than numbers". PLOS ONE. 14 (4): e0213522. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0213522. ISSN 1932-6203. PMC 6469752. PMID 30995242.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)
  2. ^ van Tiel, Bob; Sauerland, Uli; Franke, Michael; Nicholson, Ann E.; Fidler, Fiona (2022). "Meaning and Use in the Expression of Estimative Probability". Open Mind. 6 (4): 250–263. doi:10.1162/opmi_a_00066. ISSN 2470-2986. PMC 9987346. PMID 36891036.
  3. ^ https://www.cfr.org/article/sunni-shia-divide#:~:text=Shias%2C%20a%20term%20that%20stems,succession%20based%20on%20Mohammed%27s%20bloodline.
  4. ^ https://www.history.com/news/sunni-shia-divide-islam-muslim
  5. ^ https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2013/11/Shias-Sunnis-religious-conflict-full-report.pdf
  6. ^ https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2007/02/12/7332087/the-origins-of-the-shiite-sunni-split
  7. ^ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-16047709
  8. ^ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-sunni-shiite-divide-in-the-middle-east-is-about-nationalism-not-a-conflict-within-islam/
  9. ^ https://www.vox.com/2016/1/5/10718456/sunni-shia
  10. ^ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2014/06/18/the-sunni-shia-divide-where-they-live-what-they-believe-and-how-they-view-each-other/
  11. ^ https://www.npr.org/2007/02/12/7280905/chronology-a-history-of-the-shia-sunni-split
  12. ^ https://www.bbc.com/news/av/magazine-27945271
  13. ^ https://www.fpri.org/article/2013/12/the-geopolitics-of-the-sunni-shii-divide-in-the-middle-east/
  14. ^ https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Other/15-F-0940_DOC_05_CSBA-LTSG_Sunni-Shia_Divide_Origins_Theology_Geopolitics_200701.pdf
  15. ^ https://origins.osu.edu/article/tradition-vs-charisma-sunni-shii-divide-muslim-world?language_content_entity=en
  16. ^ https://carnegie-mec.org/posts/2007/03/the-shia-sunni-divide-myths-and-reality?lang=en&center=middle-east
  17. ^ https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346724893_Sunni-Shia_Division_in_Islam_Its_Origin_Development_Political_Socio-Economic_Implications_Contemporary_Relations
  18. ^ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/04/sunni-shia-sectarianism-middle-east-islam
  19. ^ https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691186610/sunnis-and-shia
  20. ^ https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/resrep03717.6.pdf
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