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relist request

Hi, per User talk:JuniperChill#Talk:Hamme#Requested move 10 April 2024 the closing editor says we can relist. Can someone in the know please assist, I don't want to break any bot workflow? --Joy (talk) 07:23, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Done. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Adding hyphens to French personal names

I started a discussion on WP:MOSFR's talk page (here) about the following pages whose English titles lack hyphens in the given name whereas the French Wikipedia articles do have the hyphen(s). I'm unsure (1) whether following the WP:RMPM guidance here would be unduly disruptive (having a bot touch hundreds of talk pages?) and (2) whether it's even technically feasible (can the hundreds of targets really be listed as arguments in a single subst'ed Template:requested move?) So I'm posting the list of page moves on this Talk page instead of on WP:RM, and hoping that someone with more automated powers and/or expertise will tell me what's the best way to proceed from here. --Quuxplusone (talk) 19:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Quuxplusone (talk) 19:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Take 10 articles and send them through RM. If you get a strong consensus for those moves, it's probably safe to bypass this for the others and just move them citing the RM (per WP:NOTRM). Gonnym (talk) 19:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I looked at two names: the first in this list, Anne Catherine of Brandenburg, and a random one from the middle, Jean Paul Richter. Both are German, not French, and the German Wikipedia spells them without a dash, but the French one does – I suggest wrongly. So a mass move based on whatever tools led to the above list of 515 names seems flawed. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Good point. I think more work is certainly needed before any mass move, checking they actually are French for one thing. Are Belgian and Swiss styles different, for another? Jean René Gauguin, more or less abandoned son of the painter, was essentially Danish, and his Danish article is just "Jean Gauguin", which we should probably follow. Louis Crato, Count of Nassau-Saarbrücken was wholely German & his German bio just has him as "Ludwig Kraft". Louis Ferdinand, Prince of Prussia and the Italian Louis Victor, Prince of Carignano should be removed. French figures are often loaded up with middle names they never used. And so on. Johnbod (talk) 03:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Notified: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility), Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility. Ham II (talk) 05:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hm, I had noticed and been-okay-with the fact that my script ([1]) rejects a match e.g. between fr:Auguste-Guillaume de Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel and en:Augustus William, Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel — if a name's spelling is "Frenchicized" on fr but not on en, it's not a candidate. But for "Louis," "Ferdinand," "Victor," the Frenchicized spelling is indistinguishable from the Anglicized/German/Latin spelling, so that heuristic doesn't help.

My new thought is to filter the list down to just those people who have Bibliothèque national entries (e.g. not en:François Antoine Marie Constantin de Méan et de Beaurieux) and whose primary name in the BnF is hyphenated (e.g. not en:Claude Prosper Jolyot de Crébillon). This leaves e.g. en:Claude Nicolas Ledoux (BnF); but it also leaves en:Jean Paul Richter (BnF), which was one of the ones you objected to. Hm.

Re "French figures are often loaded up with middle names they never used" — yes, true; but I consider a page a candidate only if the English page title prefix-matches the French page title's given-name-sans-hyphens. So e.g. it's fine AFAIC that fr:François-Auguste Mignet is en:François Mignet; but if it were at en:François Auguste Mignet then I'd want to add the hyphen. --Quuxplusone (talk) 13:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay, the heuristic above prunes the list down to just these 107 articles. However, I guess the script will never produce an unambiguously uncontroversial list; which means that my idea of "post the whole list and let people look at it, discuss it, remove controversial items, mass-move the rest" doesn't scale. If I have investigated an item enough to think it belongs on the uncontroversial list, I should just take the 30 extra seconds and move that article right then (and WP:RM needn't be involved). Repeat 500 times. :) --Quuxplusone (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move on 9 May 2024

change article name to requested moves of wikipedia 98.110.81.233 (talk) 20:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: This would require a move request, not an edit request, and is unlikely to succeed (the "Wikipedia:" at the beginning indicates the namespace, so the title would end up being the redundant "Wikipedia:Requested moves of Wikipedia"). --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 20:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Add a link to category moves?

I propose adding a link to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion and/or Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy in the hatnote or introduction, because it would be helpful for this page on general requested moves to point editors to requested moves for the category space. — MarkH₂₁^talk 18:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't oppose, but the hatnote is quite cluttered already. Maybe the mentions of article merge and history merge can be removed to make space? Vpab15 (talk) 22:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Right-of-way (property access)

I need assistance/advice. My change of name to Right-of-way (property access) (removal of hyphens) was reverted by 162 etc.. This was based on the claim that there had been no discussion. The truth is that my intentions were indicated on the Talk page of the article and on an associated article, Right of way. As after several days no objection was raised (I had expected some response) I acted in accordance with WP: Be bold. Rwood128 (talk) 14:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)