Talk:Elsie Mackay

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Did you know... that Lady Elsie Mackay, socialite, actress and interior designer, died in 1928 with WWI ace Walter G. R. Hinchcliffe, attempting to be the first woman to fly across the Atlantic?

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Link: would this be helpful? [1]

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Phrasing

I changed: "During this manoeuvre her safety-strap broke but she clung with wit and courage to bracing wires while her body swung outside the plane like a stone twirled on the end of a piece of string."

to remove the "wit and courage", since this was a bit of 1928-era rhetoric taken directly from Time magazine. Presumably anyone with an ounce of sense would cling to the plane when falling out, and it doesn't demonstrate particular wit or courage.--156.34.44.32 (talk) 13:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Conflation of biographies of 2 Elsie Mackays[edit]

Reintroducing the 'vandal' item that was recently reverted. It may have looked like 'vandalism' because it was badly edited, obliterating previous comments, but there is a very interesting element in what it says, which merits further discussion, investigation and clarification. Autodidactyl (talk) 19:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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As written, the piece on Elsie Mackay reflects a common error: there were two actresses in the 1920s named Elsie Mackay, one British, the other American. The British actress, aka "Poppy Whyndham," was the daugher of Lord Inchcape and died in an attempted crossing of the Atlantic. The American "Elsie Mackay" worked primarily on the state and it was she who married Lionel Atwill. The truth of these statements is eaily established by running both names through papers from the 1920s and 1930s -- the American Elsie Mackay continued to perform after the death of the British Elsie Mackay. A comparison of the photograph of the woman posed with Atwill with photograps of the British aviatrix, moreover, shows that they are two different persons. Url 134.205.157.51

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I am currently unable (no time) to verify that Elsie Mackay carried on acting/working 'primarily on the state' after she died at sea, but this would explain the non-sequitur / hiatus in the private life that is addressed by the caveat in the statement She reportedly married actor Lionel Atwill circa 1922.[6][7][8]. If it is true, then that statement, the image, and links to Lionel Atwill will be impacted. I believe that the film and theatrical references are based on Poppy Wyndham, perhaps excepting 'The White-Faced Fool.' 'Another Man's Shoes' and 'Deburau.' The Conde Naste reference neatly blurs/conflates everything.

Url 134.205.157.51 if you are still out there, please provide some references and we can start a second article to disambiguate this. Autodidactyl (talk) 19:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...and Elsie Mackay, whom Atwill made his second wife in early 1920. This marriage was destined for trouble and in 1925 Atwill had detectives raid an apartment on Manhattan's 68th Street, where Mackay was found with actor Max Montesole. A divorce was finally granted in 1928. [2] ... doesn't sound as if she had her mind on designing ships and flying. Implies it might be Elsie 2. Autodidactyl (talk) 20:28, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... He was married five times, to: Phyllis Ralph (1917-19) divorced; married Elsie MacKay (1919-28) had a son, John, divorced; married Louise Stoltesbury (1930-43) divorced; married Mary Shelstone (1944-46) had one son Lionel, divorced; married Paula Pruter (1944-46). He faced a scandal in the 1940s but survived. He died of pneumonia in Pacific Palisades, California on April 22, 1946 at age 61. [3] useful for atwill page too Autodidactyl (talk) 20:33, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed and disambiguated Actress Elsie Mackay/Mrs Atwill. The IMDB reference in the disambiguation note shows her still working in 1935. Autodidactyl (talk) 01:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Castle home?[edit]

Apparently Mackay's family lived in a castle in Scotland. I can't remember its name. It would be worth adding mention of to the article, though. --Ragemanchoo82 (talk) 04:19, 20 April 2009 (UTC) "Glen App"[reply]

Josiah Macy[edit]

What is the source for the claim that a ship of this name saw the Hinchcliffe/Mackay aircraft? (There was a French ship on the 'Old News from Newfoundland' site named as reference 17 - but it's not named: I've been all through it).

It may be relevant that on Page 1 of the September 3, 1927 issue of the 'Belvidere Daily Republican' from Belvidere, Illinois, there was:

< Canadian officials searching for the plane have been Informed by the British air ministry that a light was seen midway across the Atlantic on Wednesday night by the German-American oil tanker Josiah Macy. The spot where the glow was seen in the sky was in latitude 53.15 and longitude 29.45. indicating that the St. Raphael had safely negotiated the first half of its trip across the Atlantic. >

That is, another ship, under another flag, another 'plane, a year earlier!

(There are pictures on the 'web of 'German-American oil tanker Josiah Macy')

109.145.109.16 (talk) 03:46, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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