Talk:Operation Mosaic
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The table on this page is generated by database[edit]
The table on this page and the contents of any nuclear tests infobox are generated from a database of nuclear testing which I have maintained and researched for a number of years. The table is automatically generated from that database by a Visual Basic script, and then has, periodically, been inserted into the page manually. I began doing this in October of 2013.
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There was no intent that the pages affected should be owned by myself; in fact, one of my reasons for building these pages was to solicit (in the wikipedia way) criticism and corrections to the data, perhaps additional references that I had been unable to locate. I have regenerated the tables twice in the days since they were originally placed. Each time I did so, I performed a diff between the current version and the version that I put up in the previous cycle; all corrections were then either entered into the database or corrected in the programming, as appropriate. As may be guessed, the programming corrections were frequent to start out as suggestions about the table formatting were raised, and most incorporated. I have not made judgements on the "usefulness" of corrections; all have been incorporated, or I have communicated directly with the editor to settle the matter. In fact it was in pursuing such a correction that this matter came up.
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SkoreKeep (talk) 15:27, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Editing yield table[edit]
G2 was 98kt. The British government kept it hidden until the 80s because they had promised not to conduct high-yield tests in Australia.
Seeing the other topic in the talk page, I'm unsure how I should go about correcting this. I do have a serious problem with having the rely on what is essentially unsourced information. 118.211.25.160 (talk) 12:15, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- OK, so which data is "essentially unsourced" information, that on the page now or the changed yield? The bombs have three references each in the table they're in. If you mean the increased yield being unsourced, then all we need to do is find a source. And so I did. SkoreKeep (talk) 00:01, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- ...or rather, didn't, as I read further. Leaving it as it is. SkoreKeep (talk) 00:21, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Peacemaker67 (talk · contribs) 05:52, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
A few comments from me:
- the lead could do with expansion to properly summarise the article
- in the lead, the statement about the claim doesn't really reflect what occurred. Would it be better to flesh it out a bit more and state that the claim remains unsubstantiated?
- not sure how Operation Hurricane fell short on the "independence" count? Surely it meant that the UK had an independent nuclear strike capability?
- "produced release neutrons" Is a release neutron a thing, or is this a typo?
- "and one with a tamper to investigate its effect" what sort of tamper?
- why was Emu Field considered unsuitable for these tests?
- mention that Hurricane had been at Monte Bello? And explain why they were chosen?
- But wasn't Hurricane a 25 KT yield? Why did the British understate the yield? Is this known?
- I assume Atomic Weapons Tests Safety Committee was Australian? Perhaps clarify this?
- frigate is duplinked
- What was the purpose of TG 308.3?
- link Westland Whirlwind (helicopter)
- say where the Parting Pool was
- what were the suitable weather conditions required for G2? They obviously differed from G1
- what 15 July deadline?
- was Smith ever interviewed about her claims in the book? What did the Royal Commission say?
- is there any explanation as to why the clouds rose so much higher than expected in both tests?
- "unexpectedly high yield or because the arithmetical values of the parameters used in the computations did not completely fit the conditions of firing". The Royal Commission says: "either way, somebody got it wrong". 12:59, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
- is there a benchmark that can be applied to the REM dose? In terms of what is normal or what is likely to result in detrimental effects?
- link Radioactive decay
- in the summary table, the Notes column is a bit inconsistent, Boosted fission weapon vs Boosted design, and no tamper mentioned for G1
- Boyes needs a location
- File:HMAS Warrego by Allan Green SLV H91.325 78.jpeg needs a US PD tag
- as does File:HMAS Junee by Allan Green SLV H91.108 2689.jpeg
- the US PD tag for File:HMAS Karangi.jpg needs a date of publication
That's me done, placing on hold for the above to be addressed. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:35, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
- This article is well-written, verifiable using reliable sources, covers the subject well, is neutral and stable, contains no plagiarism, and is illustrated by appropriately licensed images with appropriate captions. Passing. Nice work! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:40, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
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