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HSV, with its multiple national and international trophies was, until 2018, the only club to play in the Bundesliga every year since its inception. |
HSV, with its multiple national and international trophies was, until 2018, the only club to play in the Bundesliga every year since its inception. |
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St. Pauli on the other hand has mostly played in lower divisions since 1963 and is often stylized as the finanically limited underdog needing [[Uli Hoeness]] and [[Bayern Munich]]<ref>https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/news/are-bayern-munich-the-world-s-nicest-superclub-charity-benefit-games-5210</ref> (along with a massive increase in marketing the club's alternative image to the mainstream) to save it from bankruptcy. |
St. Pauli on the other hand has mostly played in lower divisions since 1963 and is often stylized as the finanically limited underdog needing [[Uli Hoeness]] and [[Bayern Munich]]<ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/news/are-bayern-munich-the-world-s-nicest-superclub-charity-benefit-games-5210 | title=Are Bayern Munich the world's nicest superclub? }}</ref> (along with a massive increase in marketing the club's alternative image to the mainstream) to save it from bankruptcy. |
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St Pauli's supporter base is noticeably more dogmatically left-wing. This is due to its popularity among squatters and counterculture subcultures of the local area in the 80s. In recent years, this has extended beyond Hamburg all across Germany and Europe to fans seeking a radical leftist club to whose mast they may nail their colours to. While the image of the club may even cause national security agencies to label St Pauli's pirate flag a symbol of extremism<ref>https://www.dw.com/en/german-soccer-club-fc-st-pauli-symbol-listed-on-uk-counterterrorism-guide/a-52053207</ref>, the club's home games are now staged in a modern arena with more football [[hipsters]] in attendance<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBBP8FW9nOM</ref> than old-school squatters and anarchists. |
St Pauli's supporter base is noticeably more dogmatically left-wing. This is due to its popularity among squatters and counterculture subcultures of the local area in the 80s. In recent years, this has extended beyond Hamburg all across Germany and Europe to fans seeking a radical leftist club to whose mast they may nail their colours to. While the image of the club may even cause national security agencies to label St Pauli's pirate flag a symbol of extremism<ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.dw.com/en/german-soccer-club-fc-st-pauli-symbol-listed-on-uk-counterterrorism-guide/a-52053207 | title=German soccer club FC St. Pauli symbol listed on UK counterterrorism guide | DW | 18.01.2020 | website=[[Deutsche Welle]] }}</ref>, the club's home games are now staged in a modern arena with more football [[hipsters]] in attendance<ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBBP8FW9nOM | title=Football Hipsters Are the Worst | website=[[YouTube]] }}</ref> than old-school squatters and anarchists. |
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So-called 'celebrity fans' of FC St Pauli include [[Ed Sheeran]] and [[Nigel Kennedy]] <ref>https://www.dw.com/en/nigel-kennedy-loves-st-pauli-but-not-like-aston-villa/a-40543443</ref> |
So-called 'celebrity fans' of FC St Pauli include [[Ed Sheeran]] and [[Nigel Kennedy]] <ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.dw.com/en/nigel-kennedy-loves-st-pauli-but-not-like-aston-villa/a-40543443 | title=Nigel Kennedy loves St. Pauli, but not like Aston Villa! | DW | 16.09.2017 | website=[[Deutsche Welle]] }}</ref> |
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Given the location of HSV's UEFA 5 star stadium, the [[Volksparkstadion]] , St. Pauli fans often mock HSV to be a ''Vorstadtverein'' (suburban club) or ''St. Ellingen'' as HSV's Volksparkstadion is located at the outskirts of Hamburg (in this case mistakenly attributed to the district of Stellingen, when it is actually in Bahrenfeld). Conversely, HSV supporters mock St. Pauli - in particular their popular slogan ''Hamburg ist braun-weiß'' (Hamburg is brown-white; their colors) - as a small club whose fans are regarded as being more interested in slogans than the game itself. |
Given the location of HSV's UEFA 5 star stadium, the [[Volksparkstadion]] , St. Pauli fans often mock HSV to be a ''Vorstadtverein'' (suburban club) or ''St. Ellingen'' as HSV's Volksparkstadion is located at the outskirts of Hamburg (in this case mistakenly attributed to the district of Stellingen, when it is actually in Bahrenfeld). Conversely, HSV supporters mock St. Pauli - in particular their popular slogan ''Hamburg ist braun-weiß'' (Hamburg is brown-white; their colors) - as a small club whose fans are regarded as being more interested in slogans than the game itself. |
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This divide was particularly political in the 1980s, when the HSV fan scene had a small contingent of organized neonazi groups. At the same time, squatters from the [[Hafenstrasse]] and [[Rote Flora]] started attending St. Pauli matches, thus creating the leftist fan scene the club is known for today.<ref>https://books.google. |
This divide was particularly political in the 1980s, when the HSV fan scene had a small contingent of organized neonazi groups. At the same time, squatters from the [[Hafenstrasse]] and [[Rote Flora]] started attending St. Pauli matches, thus creating the leftist fan scene the club is known for today.<ref>{{cite book | url=https://books.google.com/books?id=ANf7DwAAQBAJ&dq=hafenstrasse+rote+flora+fc+st+pauli+fans&pg=PA244 | title=Doing Fandom: Lessons from Football in Gender, Emotions, Space | isbn=9783030468705 | last1=Rapoport | first1=Tamar | date=7 September 2020 }}</ref> |
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Fortunately, nowadays HSV and its fans do more for the needy within the city and have a more inclusive fanbase. The fans organise shelter, food and warm clothing for the homeless during the winter break, the club sold T-shirts during the 2020 lockdown giving all proceeds to local businesses in the area surrounding the stadium to keep them afloat while they were missing the corwds they usually rely on. The bigger Hamburg team also has a better track record on promoting players of minority backgrounds to the first team, signing a refugee player<ref>https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/noblsp-wait-over-for-hamburger-svs-bakery-jatta.jsp</ref> and having a first team coach of colour<ref>https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/news/daniel-thioune-who-is-hamburg-s-new-head-coach-marco-reus-julian-nagelsmann-11929</ref>. |
Fortunately, nowadays HSV and its fans do more for the needy within the city and have a more inclusive fanbase. The fans organise shelter, food and warm clothing for the homeless during the winter break, the club sold T-shirts during the 2020 lockdown giving all proceeds to local businesses in the area surrounding the stadium to keep them afloat while they were missing the corwds they usually rely on. The bigger Hamburg team also has a better track record on promoting players of minority backgrounds to the first team, signing a refugee player<ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/noblsp-wait-over-for-hamburger-svs-bakery-jatta.jsp | title=The wait is over for Hamburg's Bakery Jatta }}</ref> and having a first team coach of colour<ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/news/daniel-thioune-who-is-hamburg-s-new-head-coach-marco-reus-julian-nagelsmann-11929 | title=Daniel Thioune: Who is Hamburg's new head coach? }}</ref>. |
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Seeking a new bogeyman, St. Pauli's fans developed a new, politically similar rivalry with [[Hansa Rostock]] in the 1990s. Given the support for right wing radicalism in the Rostock area, this would appear a more justifiable rivalry for the violent [[Antifa]] faction of St Pauli's fanbase. |
Seeking a new bogeyman, St. Pauli's fans developed a new, politically similar rivalry with [[Hansa Rostock]] in the 1990s. Given the support for right wing radicalism in the Rostock area, this would appear a more justifiable rivalry for the violent [[Antifa]] faction of St Pauli's fanbase. |
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In 2018, St. Pauli <ref>https://www.dw.com/en/hamburg-vs-st-pauli-one-city-two-clubs-different-worlds/a-45707812</ref> fans attacked their rivals' choreography preparations, injuring two HSV ultras in the process. Indeed, the Millerntor stadium was used to shelter Anti-G20 demonstrators before the G20 summit <ref>https://www.espn.co.uk/football/st-pauli/story/3153866/st-pauli-open-doors-to-200-anti-g20-protesters-as-director-joins-demonstration</ref> which subsequently turned into a riot across the city.<ref>https://www.dw.com/en/violence-and-the-g20/a-39599754</ref> |
In 2018, St. Pauli <ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.dw.com/en/hamburg-vs-st-pauli-one-city-two-clubs-different-worlds/a-45707812 | title=Hamburg vs. St. Pauli: One city, two clubs, different worlds | DW | 01.10.2018 | website=[[Deutsche Welle]] }}</ref> fans attacked their rivals' choreography preparations, injuring two HSV ultras in the process. Indeed, the Millerntor stadium was used to shelter Anti-G20 demonstrators before the G20 summit <ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.espn.co.uk/football/st-pauli/story/3153866/st-pauli-open-doors-to-200-anti-g20-protesters-as-director-joins-demonstration | title=St Pauli help G20 protests; director joins in | date=6 July 2017 }}</ref> which subsequently turned into a riot across the city.<ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.dw.com/en/violence-and-the-g20/a-39599754 | title=Violence and the G20 | DW | 07.07.2017 | website=[[Deutsche Welle]] }}</ref> |
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== Latest results == |
== Latest results == |
Revision as of 23:19, 21 June 2022
Other names | Hamburger Stadtderby |
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Location | Hamburg, Germany |
Teams | Hamburger SV & FC St. Pauli |
First meeting | 7 December 1919 |
Latest meeting | HSV 2–1 St. Pauli 2. Bundesliga 21 January 2022 |
Next meeting | TBD 2. Bundesliga |
Statistics | |
Most wins | HSV (68) |
Largest victory | St. Pauli 0–9 HSV (13 November 1924) |
The Hamburg derby or Hamburger Stadtderby is a football rivalry between two major Hamburg sides, Hamburger SV and FC St. Pauli.[1]
In total, the two sides met 107 times since 1919, of which Hamburger SV won 68 games and FC St. Pauli won 23 games. Earlier games between Hamburger SV, its predecessors SC Germania, Hamburger FC and FC Falke 1906, and St. Pauli TV are not counted here. Hamburger SV was formed from a merger in 1919, and FC St. Pauli was formed as a separate football side through a divorce with St. Pauli TV in 1924.
History
Hamburger SV was founded when SC Germania of 1887, Hamburger FC of 1888 and FC Falke 1906 merged in 1919 (the date of SC Germania's founding is the official club foundation year given as 1887). FC St. Pauli emerged in 1924 as a spin-off from the Hamburg St. Pauli Turnverein gymnastics club. After its foundation, Hamburger SV rose to become the largest club in the city, and after the Second World War, FC St. Pauli replaced Eimsbütteler TV as a competitor of "HSV".
The first match between HSV and St. Pauli TV was played on 7 December 1919 in the "Hamburg Championship", Hamburger SV won this match 9-0. The first win for FC St. Pauli, whose nickname is "Kiezkicker", came on 19 October 1930, when they won 1-0 in their first encounter in the "Oberliga Hamburg". Matches between Hamburger SV and FC St. Pauli were played almost every year before the two sides parted ways after the Bundesliga was founded in 1963: HSV became the record champions of the Oberliga Nord in the Bundesliga, while FC St. Pauli played in the Regionalliga Nord. In 1974, they moved up to the newly founded 2. Bundesliga and in 1977, they succeeded in advancing to the Bundesliga, making this the first Hamburg city derby to be held in the Bundesliga. In the previous season, the 1976/77 season, HSV won the 1976-77 European Cup Winners' Cup and was therefore considered the favourite. Nevertheless, FC St. Pauli won the match in the Volksparkstadion, the home ground of HSV, 2-0. The return match was also played in the Hamburger SV stadium, although FC St. Pauli was the home team. HSV won this match 3-2, and FC St. Pauli retired from the Bundesliga at the end of the 1977/78 season. The next clash occurred in the 1986/87 season, when Hamburger SV played FC St. Pauli in the DFB Cup. HSV won 6-0 in their own stadium.
From 1988 to 1991, from 1995 to 1997 and in the 2001-02 season, FC St. Pauli played in the Bundesliga again, playing the city derbies, in which they had home rights, in the Volksparkstadion. Out of a total of 12 games, they were unable to win any of them (five draws, seven defeats). After FC St. Pauli was relegated to the 2. Bundesliga at the end of the 2001-02 season, they even had to play in the Regionalliga Nord in 2003. In 2007 FC St. Pauli returned to the 2. Bundesliga, and in 2010 the "Kiezkickers" finally made it back to the Bundesliga. The first leg on 19 October 2010 was the first game since 1962 to be played in an FC St. Pauli stadium. This ended with a 1-1 draw. In the return match on 16 February 2011 in the Volksparkstadion, FC St. Pauli won 1-0 through Gerald Asamoah's goal, it was FC St. Pauli's first win against Hamburger SV since 1977. Nevertheless, the club from the St. Pauli quarter relegated to the 2. Bundesliga at the end of the 2010/11 season.
Source: "St. Pauli gegen HSV: Ekstase in der Hansestadt". Sport1 (in German). Sport1 GmbH. 24 July 2019. Retrieved 20 January 2020.
In the 2018-19 2. Bundesliga season, the Hamburg derby at the Volksparkstadion on 30 September 2018 resulted in a 0–0 draw.[2] The second encounter was held at St. Pauli's Millerntor-Stadion on 10 March 2019 and ended in favor of the visitors 0-4.[3] This was the first Hamburger SV victory in a FC St. Pauli stadium since 1962. The following 2019–20 2. Bundesliga season marked the first time since the introduction of the Bundesliga that FC St. Pauli won both derbies of the season, scoring 2-0 in each match. As Hamburger SV missed the promotion again with fourth place at the end of the 2019-20 season, there will be two more Hamburg derbies in the 2020-21 season. The first leg in Volksparkstadion ended with a 2-2 draw. In this game, HSV scored the first goals in a match against the "Kiezkickers" in their own stadium since the 2001-02 season thanks to a brace from Simon Terodde. The second leg at the Millerntor Stadion was won 1-0 by FC St. Pauli. At the end of the 2020/21 season, HSV finished fourth in the table for the third time in a row and thus once again missed out on a return to the Bundesliga. The first leg in the 2021/22 season on 13 August 2021 took place at Millerntor-Stadion and ended in a 3-2 victory for FC St. Pauli.
Fans
Since the 1980s the derby has not just determined the "number one in Hamburg" but is also seen as a clash of footballing and, to some, political ideologies.
HSV, with its multiple national and international trophies was, until 2018, the only club to play in the Bundesliga every year since its inception.
St. Pauli on the other hand has mostly played in lower divisions since 1963 and is often stylized as the finanically limited underdog needing Uli Hoeness and Bayern Munich[4] (along with a massive increase in marketing the club's alternative image to the mainstream) to save it from bankruptcy.
St Pauli's supporter base is noticeably more dogmatically left-wing. This is due to its popularity among squatters and counterculture subcultures of the local area in the 80s. In recent years, this has extended beyond Hamburg all across Germany and Europe to fans seeking a radical leftist club to whose mast they may nail their colours to. While the image of the club may even cause national security agencies to label St Pauli's pirate flag a symbol of extremism[5], the club's home games are now staged in a modern arena with more football hipsters in attendance[6] than old-school squatters and anarchists.
So-called 'celebrity fans' of FC St Pauli include Ed Sheeran and Nigel Kennedy [7]
Given the location of HSV's UEFA 5 star stadium, the Volksparkstadion , St. Pauli fans often mock HSV to be a Vorstadtverein (suburban club) or St. Ellingen as HSV's Volksparkstadion is located at the outskirts of Hamburg (in this case mistakenly attributed to the district of Stellingen, when it is actually in Bahrenfeld). Conversely, HSV supporters mock St. Pauli - in particular their popular slogan Hamburg ist braun-weiß (Hamburg is brown-white; their colors) - as a small club whose fans are regarded as being more interested in slogans than the game itself.
This divide was particularly political in the 1980s, when the HSV fan scene had a small contingent of organized neonazi groups. At the same time, squatters from the Hafenstrasse and Rote Flora started attending St. Pauli matches, thus creating the leftist fan scene the club is known for today.[8]
Fortunately, nowadays HSV and its fans do more for the needy within the city and have a more inclusive fanbase. The fans organise shelter, food and warm clothing for the homeless during the winter break, the club sold T-shirts during the 2020 lockdown giving all proceeds to local businesses in the area surrounding the stadium to keep them afloat while they were missing the corwds they usually rely on. The bigger Hamburg team also has a better track record on promoting players of minority backgrounds to the first team, signing a refugee player[9] and having a first team coach of colour[10].
Seeking a new bogeyman, St. Pauli's fans developed a new, politically similar rivalry with Hansa Rostock in the 1990s. Given the support for right wing radicalism in the Rostock area, this would appear a more justifiable rivalry for the violent Antifa faction of St Pauli's fanbase.
In 2018, St. Pauli [11] fans attacked their rivals' choreography preparations, injuring two HSV ultras in the process. Indeed, the Millerntor stadium was used to shelter Anti-G20 demonstrators before the G20 summit [12] which subsequently turned into a riot across the city.[13]
Latest results
Hamburger SV Win FC St. Pauli Win Draw
All matches
- As of 21 January 2022
Matches | Wins Hamburg |
Draws | Wins St.Pauli |
Goals Hamburg |
Goals St.Pauli | |
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Bundesliga Matches | 16 | 8 | 6 | 2 | 29 | 14 |
2. Bundesliga Matches | 8 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 10 | 11 |
DFB-Pokal Matches | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 14 | 2 |
DFB-Ligapokal Matches | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 1 |
Local and Regional Matches | 78 | 54 | 7 | 17 | 283 | 89 |
Total matches | 107 | 68 | 16 | 23 | 340 | 117 |
References
- ^ Wildhagen, Niklas. "Bundesliga Rivalries: Hamburg SV and St. Pauli".
- ^ "Zweite Liga: Hamburger SV vs. St. Pauli - kaum Chancen, kein Gewinner - DER SPIEGEL". Der Spiegel. 30 September 2018.
- ^ "HSV dominate city derby with 4-0 win". HSV.de. Retrieved 2019-03-25.
- ^ "Are Bayern Munich the world's nicest superclub?".
- ^ "German soccer club FC St. Pauli symbol listed on UK counterterrorism guide | DW | 18.01.2020". Deutsche Welle.
- ^ "Football Hipsters Are the Worst". YouTube.
- ^ "Nigel Kennedy loves St. Pauli, but not like Aston Villa! | DW | 16.09.2017". Deutsche Welle.
- ^ Rapoport, Tamar (7 September 2020). Doing Fandom: Lessons from Football in Gender, Emotions, Space. ISBN 9783030468705.
- ^ "The wait is over for Hamburg's Bakery Jatta".
- ^ "Daniel Thioune: Who is Hamburg's new head coach?".
- ^ "Hamburg vs. St. Pauli: One city, two clubs, different worlds | DW | 01.10.2018". Deutsche Welle.
- ^ "St Pauli help G20 protests; director joins in". 6 July 2017.
- ^ "Violence and the G20 | DW | 07.07.2017". Deutsche Welle.