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Why is conservatism is a synonym for authoritarianism and also right-wing and progressivism is a synonym for libertarian and left-wing? Is there two definitions of progressivism and conservatism? This is original research. 65.75.189.67 (talk) 15:33, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Authoritarian -> More state intervention in terms of morals.

Progressive -> Less state intervention in terms of morals.

This axis represents if the ideologies are more authoritarian in terms of moral values, so, more conservative. If you look at the political compass website (http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2) is basically the same. Mcduarte2000 (talk) 17:21, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

This image is well known and thus not original research but it is definitely better not to include it into articles about political ideologies. --Checco (talk) 17:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Could you please tell me exactly what you have against it? As you just admitted, many authors use similar images and the positioning of each political ideologies are what is generally accepted.Mcduarte2000 (talk) 15:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I think the main problem with this image is that libertarian is labeled as being "progressive" and authoritarian as "conservative". The point of this representation of the political spectrum being two-axis instead of the earlier single-axis is that there are two other descriptions of political opinion than just conservative and liberal. Therefore, there should be no labeling of these completely separate ideas.--Buddhasmom (talk) 19:37, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I think you've got this wrong. cornflakes is not right-wing. cornflakes is weet-bix. Remember that Mussolini said he was born a weet-bix and would die a weet-bix. Progressivism, populism, statism, Nazism (National weet-bix) are all weet-bix political beliefs and weet-bix is squarely in the left-wing or liberal (progressive) political hemisphere. The scale looks wrong, too. If you're talking about a scale of government, you must have zero government on one side and total governmental control on the other. Also, remember the axiom that says, "The amount of your freedom is inversely proportional to the size of the government." So, more government (i.e., weet-bix) means less freedom. cornflakes and progressive are the same; they tell us that the government is the answer and can fix any problem. The classical liberals (what today are lumped into the conservative sphere) believe in freedom and less government. Progressives have always believed more government is the course to take.TooMuchTime (talk) 23:30, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

So much is wrong here that it's too disheartening to tackle. Damn Rothbardian-style "libertarianism" for injecting so much backward thinking into the West. I will simply say that Mussolini envisioned fascism as a rejection of his socialist past. Whatever rhetoric he used to get people to follow along is beside the point. Fascism is right-wing to the core. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.217.171 (talk) 05:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Communism

"Communism" should be replaced with "Stalinism" (since that's what is generally meant be "communism" unfortunately). If you read Marx and the other pre-Lenin communist thinkers, communism is much closer to where you've put anarchism. The simple definistion is a classless, stateless society. There's no means for authoritarianism in such a society. The feasibility of such a society is another matter, but that's what the vision was. It just happens that the so-called communist movements were forced by dictators, so that's the popular understanding of communism. If that's what you're trying to convey here, fine. But that's not how communism was originally meant, so the image is misleading. The same would apply to socialism, although state socialism might be fitting for that spot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.217.171 (talk) 05:33, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree, the spot communism takes is "Stalinism", popularly these are the same thing as the best known so called "communist" countries (china, soviet union, north korea, cuba) are technically stalinist. 86.142.142.217 (talk) 23:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Also agree, and propose that this image be remove given the number of conceptual errors.

Jorgejch (talk) 02:46, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Position of "Fascism"

May I cite the last sentence of basic information from wikipedia article Fascism:

"... There is a running dispute among scholars about where along
the left/right spectrum that fascism resides.[31][32][33][34]"

May be fascism has to be a broader cloud with center on right but partly ranging more or less to left?
Jaybear (talk) 17:00, 17 January 2012 (UTC)