Talk:Battle of Shaykan

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Requested move[edit]

I propose this page be moved to Battle of El Obeid, which for the moment is only a redirect. In this article it is repeatedly refered to as "El Obied" but this is apparently a mistake as can be seen in the El Obeid and William Hicks articles. Raoulduke47 18:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Newbolt poem[edit]

Newbolt's poem about breaking the square surely refers to Abu Klea, which was a British battle, and not El Obeid, at which only a handful of British officers were present. Is there any source for the claimed reference to El Obeid? MayerG (talk) 19:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I also read it referred to Abu Klea in Khartoum: The Ultimate Imperial Adventure by Michael Asher 132.185.240.123 (talk) 16:00, 24 April 2010 (UTC).[reply]

There's nothing at all about the poem that connects it to this battle. It involves a general reference to British military valour in facing defeat, but nothing connects it to any one battle, certainly not one in which almost no British troops took part. It was published more than a dozen years later, and I've seen nothing to suggest that Newbolt meant it to describe El Obeid, of all incidents. Winterbadger (talk) 19:37, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 October 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 09:44, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of El Obeid → Battle of Shaykan – This battle is not named as Battle of El Obeid by any relevant academic source, neither by contemporary authors like Slatin, Ohrwalder, Wingate, Churchill etc. The only names I could find are mostly Battle of Shaykan and in a few cases Battle of Kashgil:

Massacre at Shaykan forest (Michael Asher: The Ultimate Imperial Adventure (2005))
Battle of Shaikan (Mike Snook: Beyond the reach of Empire. Wolseley's Failed Campaign to save Forodon and Khartoum (2013))
Battle of Shaikan (Andrew McGregor: A Military History of Modern Egypt. From the Ottoman conquest to the Ramadan War (2006))
Battle/Massacre of Sheikan (Richard Hill: A Biographical Dictionary of the Anglo-Egyptian Sudan (1951))
Battle of Shaykan (Janet J. Ewald: State Formation and Economic Transformation in the Greater Nile Valley, 1700-1885)
Battle of Sheikan (Henry Keown-Boyd: A Good Dusting: The Sudan Campaigns 1883-1899)
Battle of Shaykan (P. M. Holt: The Mahdist State in the Sudan 1881-1898: A study of its origins, development and overthrow. Oxford University Press, 1958, p. 65.)
Battle of Shaykan (Haim Shaked: The Life of the Sudanese Mahdi. Transaction Books, 1978, p. 120)
Battle of Kashgil (John Marlowe: Mission to Khartoum. Victor Gollancz Ltd, 1969, p. 320)
Battle of Shaykan (P[eter] Clark: Three Sudanese battles. Khartoum: Institute of African and Asian Studies, University of Khartoum, 1977. p. 24.)

There exist two papers concerning this battle:

Two African Battles—I. Sheikan: 4th and 5th November, 1883 [1]
Sheikan Battlefield [2]

So why to the hell is this battle named Battle of El Obeid here? Lucius Castus (talk) 23:40, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nota bene: There was another battle that is really named Battle of Obeid: the failed Mahdist assault against Obeid on 8th September of 1882. Is is also known as Friday Battle [of Obeid]. Sources:

Kim Searcy: The Formation of the Sudanese Mahdist State: Ceremony and Symbols. p. 58.
P. M. Holt: A Modern History of the Sudan. Redwood Burn, 1961, p. 83.
Haim Shaked: The Life of the Sudanese Mahdi. Transaction Books, 1978, p. 92, footnote 33.

Support per heavily researched and detailed nomination. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 16:04, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Majority of sources support "Battle of Shaykan". --Raoulduke47 (talk) 08:11, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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fuzzy-wuzzies[edit]

Is fuzzy-wuzzies regarded as a racist term ? If so should that be made clear. It sounds like it might be, its not used on the main Hadendoa page. Interesting to now know to who the term, used in Dads Army, refered. 82.11.163.59 (talk) 13:34, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]