Talk:Sun-style tai chi

Much of the information in this article is about Sun LuTang, and might be better off on his biographical page (which needs expansion). I would like to see more here about the peculiarities that mark Sun style apart from other Tai Chi styles.

What you say makes sense. This article existed well before the bio article on Sun, so that is why it seems to have things the bio should have. Fire Star 30 June 2005 20:36 (UTC)

Move

I suggest for the sake of continuity and the established Chinese Manual of Style, that this page be moved to the proper Sun style Tai Chi Chuan instead of the T'ai Chi Ch'uan. VanTucky 00:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Move to "Sun-style t'ai chi ch'uan"

It has been discussed at length here: Talk:T'ai chi ch'uan#Romanization / Naming Revisited. Unfortunately the consensus was not reached to move to pinyin (taijiquan), as most other Chinese martial arts have done. This is because although most well learned practitioners and professionals of the martial art refer to it in the pinyin form, the majority of references to it are still in the Wade-Giles form. Consensus was thus reached to at least use the accurate Wade-Giles form, if at all, since the spelling "tai chi chuan" is too ambiguous as in turn one could, for example, also write "chi" (for "qi") instead of "ch'i", and making it appear to be the "chi" in the name (tai chi chuan), etc. This consensus has allowed for correctness while following WP guidelines of adopting the most common usage.
In turn, in all related articles it's to be made immediately clear that "t'ai chi ch'uan" is interchangeable with "taijiquan", e.g. writing "t'ai chi ch'uan (taijiquan)" or "taijiquan (t'ai chi ch'uan"), while on the t'ai chi ch'uan page, a write-up is going to be made to reflect that officially, taijiquan is preferred. For the sake of avoiding unnecessary fragmentation, all the family styles are being renamed to "t'ai chi ch'uan" as well. The shift of common usage is slowing moving toward pinyin and in time the change will be made to it, but for now the current usage in it's correct form is what seems best to use and, of course, to avoid confusion through naming fragmentation, it's best to have all sub-pages in-line with the main t'ai chi ch'uan page. I hope this doesn't upset anyone and you all understand the necessity for the current position that has been taken. InferKNOX (talk) 07:32, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Improving lineage trees

Key:

NEIJIA

Solid lines

Direct teacher-student.

Dot lines

Partial influence /taught informally /limited time.

TAIJIQUAN

Dash lines

Individual(s) ommited.

Dash cross

Branch continues.

CHEN-STYLE

Zhaobao-style

YANG-STYLE

WU (HAO)-STYLE

Zhaobao He-style

Li-style

(郝為真) Hao Weizhen 1849–1920 3rd gen. Wu (Hao)

WU-STYLE

(孙禄堂) Sun Lutang 1861–1932 SUN-STYLE

(孙剑云) Sun Jianyun 1913–2003 2nd gen. Sun

(孙星一) Sun Xingyi 1891–1929 2nd gen. Sun

Wudang-style

(孙永田) Sun Yongtian ?–Present 3rd gen. Sun

CHEN-STYLE

YANG-STYLE

WU-STYLE

SUN-STYLE

WU (HAO)-STYLE

I'm working hard on improving the lineage trees for the main taijiquan page and for all the family style pages. Please comment on the this tree where you feel improvements can be made and help me by posting information on individuals that aught to be included in the tree and the reason for their significance so that a detailed Chen-style tree can be produced. All individuals to be added that are approved upon (via consensus of course) will be added, unless they threaten to make the tree excessively large whilst adding little value to the overall tree.
The tree on the main page is to focus on the gate keepers of the styles in order to show each family style's lineage without making it excessively large, while the trees on the family style pages are to be more focused on the particular styles, showing a more in depth view of it's development & connection to other family styles. I hope to hear from as many of you as possible & will continue making edits to the tree here as feedback comes in. Thanks. InferKNOX (talk) 14:19, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

This, indicates the lineage of the Sun style. It was explained during the 2009 International Tai Chi Chuan Symposium that Sun Lutang's daughter Sun Jianyun was the gate-keeper after her father passed away. She passed the baton to Sun Yongtian (no relation!) before she died in 2004 (I think.) He is the current gate-keeper. (It's worth mentioning too that there was a very solemn private ceremony during that Symposium where Yang Zhenduo named Yang Jun as his successor Yang Family gate-keeper.) Bruno talk 22:00, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Bruno, that's just the sort of information I need to get progress on this. What is Sun Yongtian's year of birth though? Thanks again. InferKNOX (talk) 11:48, 22 April 2012 (UTC)