Talk:War in Vietnam (1959–1963)

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Why the Hell is there a long ramble about Islamism, which has nothing to do with the Vietnam war in any way, shape, form, or fashion in an overlong introduction here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.251.103.19 (talk) 14:28, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edited to replace the inane ramble about Islamism with an on-topic reference to Maoist theory. Contrary to the view of whichever conservative troll wrote that entry, Islamism has jack shit to do with a Communist War in Southeast Asia. Just as a cigar is but a cigar, so is a Communist revolutionary movement dedicated to a stage by stage "theory" just a movement of that sort. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.70.40.66 (talk) 00:08, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Provision of Geneva Conference[edit]

The beginning of the second paragraph states: "Between the Geneva accords in 1954 and 1956, the two states created by the talks were still forming..."

The accords did not create any states when it created the 17th parallel demarcation line, which is refers to as "[t]he provisional military demarcation line between the two final regrouping zones." Source: Chapter 1, Article 4 of the Agreement on the Cessation of Hostilities in Vietnam.

The idea that the agreement created two states is explicitly contradicted in the general declaration: "[T]he military demarcation line is provisional and should not in any way be interpreted as constituting a political or territorial boundary." Source: Article 6 of the The Final Declaration on Indochina.

Civil administration is stipulated by the agreement: "Pending the general elections which will bring about the unification of Viet-Nam, the conduct of civil administration in each regrouping zone shall be in the hands of the party whose forces are to be regrouped there in virtue of the present Agreement[.]" Source: Article 4(a) of the Agreement on the Cessation of Hostilities in Vietnam.

These parties to whom civil administration is temporarily given are explicitly named by Article 1 of the same: "A provisional military demarcation line shall be fixed, on either side of which the forces of the two parties shall be regrouped after their withdrawal, the forces of the People’s Army of Viet-Nam to the north of the line and the forces of the French Union to the south." Source: Article 1 of the Agreement on the Cessation of Hostilities in Vietnam.

In light of this, the Wikipedia article's mention that two states were created by the talks seems untenable. Is a rephrasing warranted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.202.192.227 (talk) 23:32, 12 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]