Talk:Rayman (video game)/GA1

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Nominator: NatwonTSG2 (talk · contribs) 23:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Vrxces (talk · contribs) 09:38, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I can take this one on. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 09:38, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

• Hi @NatwonTSG2:, I will add more soon but here are some initial comments!

Review

Has the nominator significantly contributed to the article? Yes, quite clear you've added a lot to the article.

Does the article conform to the general standards of WP:VG articles including the WP:VG/MOS? Yes, all good here:

• The Development section's subsections are fine. If you wanted to simplify them further, you could break them down to 'Concept' and 'Design' but not a big deal!

Is the article generally well-written? Grammar needs a copyedit. I have the faintest hint that this could be because the article originally was transposed from the French version or had a multilingual editor, which is understandable! See below:

• Commas and sentence flow are a tricky thing to get right. There's a few mistakes in this article where the commas get in the way of the flow of the sentence:

• Lead P2 S1 - Can remove the comma.
• Gameplay P1 S1 - Can remove the second comma.
• Conception P2 S6 - A second comma is needed here after his in-game avatar. Alternately change to his in-game avatar Rayman and remove all commas.
• Completion P2 S5 - Add a comma after announced and remove the one after however, or rewrite to were also announced but never released.

• It's important to manage the tense, which should be the present tense. Past tense is only used for a gameplay section if the game is no longer playable:

• Gameplay P1 S3 - gained to gains
• Gameplay P1 S4 - included to include
• Completion P2 S5 - replace has with had - obviously it's no longer considered lost if it has been discovered, so the tense needs to change.

• There's a bunch of WP:LQUOTE punctuation issues. I used to fall afoul of this quite a lot. Make sure to only keep punctuation in the quotation marks if a complete sentence is being quoted.

• Some other minor fixes:

• • Gameplay P1 S1 - Omit it from which it
  • Gameplay P1 S2 - Omit as from The player controls as
• Gameplay P2 S1 - In each world ends is unclear. Perhaps: Completion of each world requires defeating a boss with special abilities at the end of the level.
• Completion P1 S1 - Replace who with where or who he with and'.
• Completion P1 S5 - Suggest inserting the Atari Jaguar, a console that
• Release P1 S2 - Can remove the in which isn't necessary.
• Reception P1 S4 - fifth=generation > fifth-generation
• Reception P3 S1 - received mixed review - received mixed reviews or similar
• Reception P4 S4 best visually games -> Something else - maybe most visually appealing. Best to check what the source actually said on this one.

Is the article broad enough in its coverage and contains reliable sourcing?

• Out of nowhere there appears content about Rayman Advance which is not supported by information in the article. Is this a port or remake? Does its gameplay differ at all from the original title, and is there release information on it?

Do the sources cited verify the text in the article? Spot check TBA.

Are media and links properly attributed and do not have copyright issues? The images within the article appear to be attributed and licensed correctly.

• Two screenshots in an article tends to be discouraged per the WP:VG/MOS, which states that additional screenshots are required to have stronger justification for their use, backed by third-party or secondary sources, regardless of what aspects of a game they show. Is the depiction of the SNES graphics of Rayman treated with detail in the article and sourcing? Is this justified adequately in the rationale for the image?

Any other personal opinions or miscellaneous feedback that may or may not be relevant to the nomination? See below:

Plot

• As per WP:VGPLOT, you don't need to cite the game's basic plot on a specific point, as seems to be the case here. Can omit or put at the end. Manuals are also generally not seen as preferred sources if reliable secondary ones are available.

Development

• Absolutely accept that Laura Kate Dale's book is a reliable source of commentary, but as we're looking for evidence of the game's development and not commentary, it it's far better to find a primary source on this: these magazines on the Internet Archive seem to mention the original concept.

Reception

• As expressed in WP:QUOTE and WP:VG/REC, the quotes in this section are very long and opportunities to paraphrase. This section probably needs a rewrite to edit down the long quotes that appear in this section, which are considerable.

• Also under WP:VGREC, many of the paragraphs imply a theme but are not explored. For instance, the second paragraph seems to be a collection of Jaguar reviews, and and not actually about what is implied by the first sentence. Other than the Advance version, it's probably best to focus on the key themes i.e. platforming gameplay, visuals and so on and organise comments from reviews about this.

• The graphics received mixed review from reviewers is a tautology.

Legacy

• ...helped spawn a franchise that spawned is also a tautology

• Suggest not mentioning Spooky Raymansion unless these are notable aspects of the coverage in the articles.

• The Fans hoped and still hope for the game to become an official and canonical game has to go as unverifiable speculation. For one, the first two citations don't state that, with the Gipp source even dreading the encroaching beige of the prospect of a remake. The VK source is WP:USERG and at any rate inaccessible.

My question

• For the details of the second screenshot of Rayman on SNES, it seems that the image was intended to illustrate and identify what the game originally looked like before development being pushed to the Jaguar. While when looking at it rationale, it seems that it used a video game emulator as a source and the fact that the image is demonstrate when necessary so. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 13:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks. Doesn't seem like a problem really so happy to keep. Could you please let me know if you have actioned the above? Welcome to tick Y or strike through things to demonstrate this. I will try and get around to wrapping up the above as soon as I can. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 01:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

  What do you means by the above, isn't it the review in the top of the talk which It I doY or isn't it the good article nominations at the top so. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 12:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

  Oh, as in, just to make it a little easier to see what you've done, could you tick or strike through the above comments if you've actioned them in the article? Thanks! ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 06:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback so:

• Lead P2 S1 - Y
• Gameplay P1 S1 - Y
• Conception P2 S6 - Y, remove all commas
• Completion P2 S5 - Y
• Gameplay P1 S3 - Y
• Gameplay P1 S4 - Y
• Completion P2 S5 - Y
• Gameplay P1 S1 - Y
• Gameplay P1 S2 - Y
• Gameplay P2 S1 - Y
• Completion P1 S1 - Replace who with where or who he with and
• Completion P1 S5 - Y
• Release P1 S2 - Y

NatwonTSG2 (talk) 12:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Cheers. I'm sorry, I've been interstate. I'll take another review of the article and do a spot check. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 23:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)