User talk:Pppery

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Macbeth

Thank you for fixing links to Macbeth (opera), but hundreds are left. Will you fix those as well soon? I think in case of a move to a new name without a redirect, the links should be fixed first, before the move leads to nonsense in hundreds of cases. I'd like to hope that's all an April Fool's joke, but the pedantic name change seems to be planned to stay, sigh. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Looks like this has been handled by others. And the reason I did things the way I did is that there is a process to ensure links to disambiguation pages get fixed whereas nothing would prevent everyone from just losing interest if that step isn't done. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Roxbury Mall

Can you restore all deleted revisions of page Roxbury Mall, then add the {{R with history}} tag to the redirect page. 134.199.113.124 (talk) 22:38, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I fail to see the point. Take this to WP:REFUND if you really insist, but there's nothing there but a single sentence in the PROD-deleted version and I don't consider myself to have the authority to unilaterally undelete the AfD-deleted version. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:The Crimean slave trade

Hello, Pppery! I noticed you removed the deletion request from Draft:The Crimean slave trade with the motivation: "Sorry, I don't see any specific speedy deletion criterion this meets. Conduct allegations are not a reason for speedy deletion - take them up in the appropriate venues for them", so I was wondering if I might ask you: what would be the appropriate venues for them? I am concerned about this page that should be deleted for a number of reasons, but since I mainly write articles and rarely do anything else in Wikipedia, I am unaware to which page I should go, or which template to use. Could you be kind enough to help? It would be very much appreciated. My best greetings, --Aciram (talk) 08:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

If you want the page deleted you will have to take it to WP:MFD. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Aciram: Besides which, you should never use the {{db-reason}} template directly. Speedy deletion is only permitted for the various criteria that are explicitly described at WP:CSD; each criterion has one or more criterion-specific templates. If a page matches one of the CSD criteria, you should use one of the associated templates; if a page does not match any of the CSD criteria, it's not eligible for speedy deletion. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your reply!--Aciram (talk) 17:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Reverting false information in RCTI article

Mr. @Pppery, please revert these false information about sports programming on RCTI article like this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=RCTI&diff=prev&oldid=1185395353&title=RCTI&diffonly=1 because it is unsourced.... Thanks.... 36.78.197.139 (talk) 13:49, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Please stop spamming me with random requests I have had no involvement in. Use {{Edit semi-protected}} or follow proper dispute resolution processes. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Noam Bettan

Hello, what else is needed to give notoriety to this article Noam Bettan since for me the relevance is demonstrated, it has a biography, musical singles, an album, it is signed with the record company in its country, it is in the top of the most heard in Israel He served in the army, and is on the Hebrew wiki. --Acartonadooopo (talk) 16:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Why are you WP:CANVASSing me? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

PSASBR nomination

Sorry about that. I ran out of ideas. Zenphia1 (talk) 16:26, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Noted. I was just closing all joke nominations that somehow hadn't been closed yet, thinking that the truly funny ones would have had a jocular closure already. I later switched to the more neutral "April Fools Day is Over". * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Diligence in your work...Thanks for your contributions to RM (Requested Moves). Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 09:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

"The Face (TV series)" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect The Face (TV series) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 7 § The Face (TV series) until a consensus is reached. 162 etc. (talk) 17:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Ames Department Store histmerge

can you perform a histmerge of deleted revisions of Ames Department Stores into Ames (department store) per the histmerge tag? 134.199.113.124 (talk) 18:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

There's one deleted edit, and its sole content is [[Category:Defunct companies]]. It's an utter waste of time to history merge that. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Partially disambiguated page names

Thank you for all the good work pouring worms back into the can I opened. For the ambiguous Bhavana (actress), existing redirect Bhavana (Malayalam actress) might work, though Bhavana (Kannada actress) appeared in one Malayalam film Otta. Fossa (animal) I think is correct, or at least acceptable: the alternative meaning is Fossa (genus) and both obey our conventions for disambiguating taxonomy: Mammal genera are often qualified by (genus), though there are a few (mammal)s in there and more specific qualifiers such as (bat) in the subcats. Thanks again, Certes (talk) 08:42, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

The problem I was referring to is how to disambiguate Bhavana (Kannada actress) versus the other actress who is an Indian actress who predominantly appears in Malayalam and Kannada language films. For the Malayalam actress I prefer Bhavana (actress, born 1980). The only thing I can think of there is to invoke WP:NATURALDIS and move her to the less common but still used Bhavana Ramanna.

For Fossa (animal), I agree Malagasy civet is fine as is but given that there are other scientific names disambiguated as (animal) it would be reasonable to expect Fossa to be the same, which makes it partially disambiguated. Like Praya_(animal), Eunoe (animal), and others. See also User:Estopedist1/Taxons and disambiguation * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:18, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I see the problems. Skipping those two still leaves this exercise doing a lot of good, even if it doesn't achieve perfection (and if it did, new errors would soon arise). I regularly fix taxon links and User:Estopedist1/Taxons and disambiguation is a useful resource I didn't know about. Certes (talk) 15:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Aventurero

Thank you for splitting both Aventurero pages. For splitting Aventurero the album by Frank Reyes and Aventurero the song by Thalía from each other. Also, thanks for keeping on Wiki the album page of the album. I wasn't aware that I had I did was considered hijacking. Thanks for your help. I am glad that the album page got to stay, especially because the album is from one of Bachata and Dominican Republic's most well known musical artist. DominicanWikiEdit1996 (talk) 01:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft restorations

Hello, Pppery,

When you restore a draft that has been deleted due to CSD G13, you have to make a minor edit to the page or it is immediately eligible for speedy deletion again. There is a list of draft pages where this needs to be done at User:SDZeroBot/G13 eligible.

If you help out at WP:REFUND, you'll find most admins use User:SD0001/RFUD-helper to avoid having to handle this step manually. As far as I know, these "minor edits" after page restoration are just required for CSD G13s. But if you restore PRODs and articles deleted through AFDs, then those deletion tags need to be removed after restoration. Thanks very much. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Done. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Ask assistant

I am trying to add a location map template to Amazigh Wikipedia and I am facing a problem.

Lua error in Module:Location_map at line 402: No value was provided for longitude.

https://zgh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Location_map

https://zgh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%B4%B0%E2%B5%8D%E2%B4%B1%E2%B5%93%E2%B4%B9:%E2%B4%B0%E2%B5%8F%E2%B5%99%E2%B4%B0_%E2%B4%B3_%E2%B5%9C%E2%B4%BD%E2%B4%B0%E2%B5%95%E2%B4%B9%E2%B4%B0 ⵕⴰⵊⵉ (talk) 18:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I asking you for help because I saw that you contributed to the English template.

Thank you in advance ⵕⴰⵊⵉ (talk) 18:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I've fixed that error. You're doing something else funky there that I don't understand, though. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

thank you very much ⵕⴰⵊⵉ (talk) 18:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Dave Steward

Thank you for creating hundreds of links to disambiguation pages. I leave it to you to clean this mess up. The Banner talk 10:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Fixed most of the links. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Rani Hazarika (singer)

Hello Pppery, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Rani Hazarika (singer), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: G4: not substantially identical. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

OK. I've sent it to AfD. But for the record this template message is unideal - I was not patrolling new pages when I tagged this but instead looking specifically for salted pages created under new titles. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:24, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Sanket Mhatre (voice actor)

Hello Pppery, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Sanket Mhatre (voice actor), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: G4: not substantially identical. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Monument Mythos Speedy Deletion

Howdy - I'm Dellveloper, the dude who put the speedy deletion request on the MM draft. As per a request from the person who created the series that the draft involves, deletion is requested. Please do a speedy deletion on that article as per his wishes. Thanks! DeIIveloper (talk) 01:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

That is not a reason for speedy deletion. The criterion you used, WP:G7, only applies if the sole author of the draft requests deletion, and since that draft has been substantively edited by many people that criterion cannot apply. You are welcome to take it to WP:MFD. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. DeIIveloper (talk) 01:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

"Abdur Rahim (politician)" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Abdur Rahim (politician) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 13 § Abdur Rahim (politician) until a consensus is reached. Crampcomes (talk) 12:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Tradition (PSL)

Can you restore all deleted revisions of page Tradition (Port St. Lucie), then tag it with the R with history template. 134.199.113.124 (talk) 15:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done, but please take these to WP:REFUND in the future rather than bothering me. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Aide et Action International South Asia

I added some references to Aide et Action International South Asia and removed the prod that you had added. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 11:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

OK. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

List of cult films

Hi, regarding list of cult films and the deletion review, I assume the {{delrev}} template should be removed now? And does the talk page need to be updated with info about the discussion? I couldn't tell from the documentation how it should be added with the AfD discussions (or separately). Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 12:26, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I removed the delrev template from the base page. I don't think it needs to be mentioned on the talk page - it's already linked from the AfD and that's sufficient. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Salted prods

I'm not sure WP:PROD is the right venue for deleting recreations of previously deleted articles. Do we need a stronger remedy than the WP:SOFTDELETE offered at prod? Have you tried WP:G4? ~Kvng (talk) 16:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I did try G4 in may cases. For the ones I PRODed G4 doesn't apply because there was no prior AfD (only prior speedy deletions under criteria that don't seem to apply to the new version), and either the original creator is long-gone or the creation was so long ago that I think it's unlikely there will be new interest in recreating. I also G4-ed 11 articles and AfD-ed 30 in that same cleanup run. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the explanation. I deprodded PROS (company) before I saw there was a pattern. That will need to go to AfD. ~Kvng (talk) 16:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I took it to AfD already. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Deprodding of Kiolbassa Sausage

I have removed the {{proposed deletion/dated}} tag from Kiolbassa Sausage, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add {{proposed deletion}} back to the page. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! -- Lenny Marks (talk) 21:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

You're right

about User:Dencoolast33/sandbox List of battles involving my dog. I apologize for my mistake! Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 05:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Broken redirects

Hello, Pppery,

I hope you are having a good day so far. I reverted edits you made on three redirect pages--Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Yuba City, CA-NV CSA, Marie-Anne de Bourbon-Condé (1678-1718) and Rugby-Bundesliga 2011-12--because they were broken redirects as the target articles that were changed were non-existent pages. Feel free to revert me if there was a mistake made and a different target article can be located. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

My apologies

Hey @Pppery I wanted to apologize for the mistake with the roster templates.

I was trying to update the rosters and just putting those rosters more in line with what other independent teams do which is just put the roster itself into the main team page instead of creating a template for it instead.

I don’t really know how the depletion process works so I figured it would be better for me to get more info on it.

Again my bad ParkerLyme (talk) 05:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

If you want these templates to be deleted you will need to nominate them at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Quick note on Module:CS1

Thanks for your edits to Module:CS1.

I just noticed something. Module redirects are possible for the software to follow, etc. Then why is it that when moving a module it always suppresses redirect creation (with no option to unsuppress it, even without the relevant rights)? That feels weird. Awesome Aasim 14:15, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

That was once the case in the past, before module redirects existed. It isn't now. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:15, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Huh? Let me see... Awesome Aasim 17:39, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Ooh nice! Relevant Phabricator task? Awesome Aasim 17:40, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

[1] Awesome Aasim 17:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

No specific task. It started working automatically without anyone doing anything when module redirects started existing. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi Pppery. Thank you for your work on Emigration from North Korea. Another editor, Voorts, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Please remember to tag redirects that you create per WP:REDCAT.

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Voorts}}. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

voorts (talk/contributions) 22:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Request for deleting Talk:Al-Shushtari and Talk:Sunan al-Nasa'i

Hello, Mr. @Pppery, please delete redirect pages Talk:Al-Shushtari and Talk:Sunan al-Nasa'i because it fulfilled CSD G8. Thanks. 223.255.224.121 (talk) 09:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

These don't look like they fulfill G8 to me now, and in any event I dislike getting random requests related to things I have had no involvement with - please use the proper processes for them. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Requesting suggestion

Good morning @Pppery, I actually noticed you on the page Kataxenna Kova. Great works I must say you have been doing on Wikipedia. I had a draft page it’s been almost two months now I made all corrections but no one has ever looked into it since then. I would like to ask what are your suggestions?. Meligirl5 (talk) 10:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

The AfC backlog is currently around 3 months. Someone will get to it in due time. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:20, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Numbers

Sorry. We ran into each other with this as I had the tabs open. Went back to untag and then you'd done so. I think we're all set but feel free to revert me anywhere. Apologies again Star Mississippi 03:13, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

At least clean up the mess you have created...

After your reverts, there are 8 templates needing your attention. See this list. The Banner talk 23:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Looks like other handled this while I was busy with something else. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:15, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, someone else cleaned up your mess. The Banner talk 01:04, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

The "mess" is not mine. The true mess, of having two pages whose names differed only in hyphenation pointing to different subjects, has existed for years. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	For histsplits at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Cleanup for an import booboo. Thank you :) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:38, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

please explain

3 May 2024

curprev 10:45, 3 May 2024‎ Pppery talk contribs‎ 1,667 bytes −35‎ Decline G5, no evidence of a prior block being evaded provided

It has nothing to do with evasion, it is a stub created by a blocked user - and in effect is unlikely to pass any form of review due to the state of the stub. JarrahTree 05:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:G5 does not apply to pages created by a blocked user before they were blocked.. It only applies if a user is blocked, and then creates a sockpuppet and uses it to create new pages. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

On X3

If you believe that page history should be considered substantive in any case feel free to decline and I have no problem listing at RFD. This for example duplicated then existing content, and was quickly redirected to it so I would say not substantive, but RFD really does not take up that much time and I don't mind declines. As always when in doubt send to XFD. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:6C18:E506:2DA2:2A75 (talk) 18:02, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Noted. I kind of thought the same thing myself, and hence self-reverted. In any event I will not use my own admin tools to delete anything that was ever an article per X3, but others may see differently. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good, just don't hesitate to decline if you think I might be an error. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:6C18:E506:2DA2:2A75 (talk) 18:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria deletions

Hi Pppery! I was wondering if there is some database report and/or quarry which tracks deletions under WP:NFCCE? It currently has a grandfather clause exempting things from before 13 July 2006, which strongly suggests the section is in need of updating. I would normally propose we just eliminate the grandfather clause, but I can't say I have heard of deletions as NFCC enforcement. (I am wondering whether simply directing people to CSD or FfD as appropriate would be more efficient/less CREEPy, and figured talking to people who use NFCCE is probably a good first step.) Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I've always interpreted that policy section as describing deletions under F7, not as an independent basis for deletion. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I think it is describing something different. The catch-all F7d has a seven-day holding period, but NFCCE says 48 hours (for things uploaded after 13 July 2006, due to the grandfather clause). Replaceable non-free media have a 48-hour holding period, but that bullet point of NFCCE does not limit its applicability to enforcing only replaceable media. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:52, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, I think it's a bad attempt at describing F7 that has drifted from both the CSD wording and actual practice and I've not seen any deletions that reference that policy rather than citing F7.

To the extent it attempts to prescribe a new deletion process it doesn't have the authority too. Anyway, I would replace that section entirely with "Files that do not meet these criteria may be speedy deleted under criterion F7 after an appropriate waiting period." * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@HouseBlaster: I came here after seeing your edit summary. Instead of discussing such changes on Pppery's or any other user's user talk page, it would've been much better to discuss them at WT:NFCC since the talk page that corresponds to that particular policy/guideline. Discussing this here is great for the two of you, but it doesn't really give anyone else a heads up that a change is being proposed or that something relevant to that particular page is being discussed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:15, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: in hindsight, that was probably a better idea. I originally came here because I wanted to understand the current situation before making a proposal, but that probably could've been accomplished with a post at WT:NFCC and a ping. My apologies. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 16:27, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

C-Infinity

You wrote, in an edit summary: Restore redirect clobbered by draft. I assume that you mean Draft:C-Infinity, which should now itself be a redirect, because I disambiguated it. (I considered tagging the draft with {{hatredir}} and decided that would be a mistake, because the redirect is for a technical mathematical term, which should have the dignity of being primary.) What clobbered what? What did you do? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:27, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

There was a longstanding redirect from C-infinity (lowercase I) to Smoothness. This redirect was overwritten (or "clobbered" in my past self's jargon) by an article on a product, which was later draftified. A smart kitten noticed this and erroneously requested the redirect revision be history split to C-Infinity (capital I), which I complied with, not noticing the error. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah, my apologies that I requested a histsplit to the wrong title/that I didn’t notice that the redirect had already been recreated. I think I erroneously assumed that the capitalization of the draft’s title would have been the same as it was in mainspace - I was wrong. That also explains why I couldn’t find a log entry regarding the draftification when I looked at C-Infinity’s logs after the split — I think I assumed that the previous log entries must have been eaten by the histsplit (somehow), but this makes more sense. Apologies once again. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 04:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Regarding this, do you think it would be worth asking a pagemover to move the redirect at C-Infinity to C-infinity with the delete-redirect flag? The reason I ask is because one of my reasons for requesting the histsplit in the first place, rather than just recreating the redirect (which I didn’t then know had already been done), was so that its history correctly showed the date it had originally been created. At the moment, that creation history is at the wrong title, but (if I understand correctly) this would belatedly move the history back to its original title. I hope you don’t mind the question — I just wanted to get a second opinion before requesting anything, so that there’s less chance of me inadvertently messing anything else up. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 16:10, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I've just done that now. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:18, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah, brilliant, thanks :) ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 16:19, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello to you both. Just noticed the edits at C-infinity. I moved the original redirect C-infinity to Draft:C-Infinity, then recreated the redirect to Smoothness. Was that the wrong way to handle the overwrite of C-infinity with a spammy article by a new editor? If so, please let me know and I'll do it correctly next time. Thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 16:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Wikishovel: From my perspective, I don’t know if there’s a codified right or wrong way. In general, I personally prefer the WP:HISTSPLIT version of things, as it means that the page history from before a redirect was overwritten doesn’t stay moved to draftspace (where it may be harder to track, and might potentially end up deleted under G13), as well as allowing for a clearer indication of how long a redirect at the title has been around for when someone looks at its history. However, at the same time, that’s my personal view; and I’m unsure if there’s any firm guidance for new page patrollers on the matter (perhaps someone at WT:NPR might know?). All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 19:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

History merge query

Hi Pppery, just a query. I created Bassam Mahfouz without referring to the draft at all, my understanding was that a history merge was to fix cut and paste moves. None of the content from the draft was copied to the article. AusLondonder (talk) 17:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

You're right, and I realized that and reverted the history merge a minute later. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that! Unfortunately I created the article by clicking on a redlink on mobile, I wasn't aware about the draft and it made one editor particularly angry. AusLondonder (talk) 17:47, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Personally I tend to be a bit more willing than many other people are to history merge multiple versions of the same article together even without a formal cut and paste. But it was wrong for me to do so over the objections of the author of the version I was history merging to. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:46, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I am not "particularly angry", simply disappointed. An inexperienced editor created Draft:Bassam Mahfouz at Wikipedia:2024 UK local elections night editathon, where I was in a training capacity. Yes, it took them quite some time, and for sure it was not the greatest draft ever. But now they get no credit whatsoever for their work. It is not easy getting newer editors involved, and is it any wonder that they get discouraged. Edwardx (talk) 18:00, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

That's unfortunate, it's also unfortunate that you didn't communicate your concerns properly with me - in fact you incorrectly nominated the article for speedy deletion within two minutes of the talkpage message to me, giving me no time to respond. AusLondonder (talk) 18:10, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Page lock

Hu Pppery, I found out that this page was protected from moving. However, the RM is due here. I never found this until I closed for a second time. I do say you unprotect the move prevent and may out back after page move; as a matter of fact, I can't see much moving recently. Or maybe am a bit blind😂 Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I am WP:INVOLVED so should not use my admin tools here. Please request at WP:RMTR. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

My bad! It's true. I also saw your talk notice (though I can't date when), but encourage you not to be discouraged. You're a good editor and better admin; the most I love when closing rm. Kudos! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:57, 4 May 2024 (UTC)