Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Metro Warszawskie.svg
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Image:Metro_Warszawskie.svg[edit]
Copyrighted logo of Warsaw metro. Not ineligible for copyright. Herr Kriss 01:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Delete --WarX 01:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC) :(:(:(- Delete Picus viridis RSVP? 13:05, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Please go to Category:Diagrams of railway symbols and delete everything there, because every image is copyrighted anyhow. I worked a lot to create some of this images (and they are used on many wikipedias) but if you, the commons-lawyers, think it is important to delete it, feel free to do so. I hope you feel better afterwards and that you can sleep well again.
An other possibility would be to add the {{Trademarked}} license, as i did now. But in the end it's your decision... Siegele Roland 13:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Kept. Clearly ineligible! ChristianBier 13:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
It was kept by ChristianBier but I have reopened discussion. In my opinion it is not ineligible. On the contrary it's copyvio. So... 
Delete --Szczepan talk 22:34, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- Please read Commons:Licensing#Simple_design. When admins knowledge about such important copyright- & licensing issues is bad like yours, i'm sure, it would be good, to de-admin such admins. Admins should know copyright laws and licencing rules of the project. I want to know how you became an admin without knowing the own rules of Commons-Licensing. ChristianBier 23:34, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- Christian, please {{be civil}}, derogating a fellow user, using a argumentum ad hominem, is hardly a way of discussing the issue with the image. I actually agree with Szczepan1990: the image is neither simple typeface nor a simple geometric shape and has certainly elements of originality. If it is not shown that such symbol is PD by any other reason, I also agree to Delete. Patrícia msg 18:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- I am civil. And sure, my comment was hard, but correct. I am sad about the misknowledge about copyright laws of some of the admins at commons. To identify a cd-cover as a copyright is easy, but for such decisions like this one here, please let some admins decide whether delete or keep, which have the special knowledge in simple designs and copyright laws and respekt their decisions. And when you think my decision is wrong, then first discuss with me, so that I can explain my decision. But reopen and a short comment on my userpage is not the way we should go. If an admin close a deletion request, first discuss with the admin, also If you are an admin too. ChristianBier 22:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- (Ignoring the second ad hominem argument) In my humble, ignorant opinion about copyright, although the logo is itself composed by elements which are separately ineligible for copyright, the composition has elements of originality, as with the placement of the arrow on the letter M. I believe that same argument is used in logos such as the Fedex one (which is fair use on en.wikipedia). But I am indeed not a copyright expert; I still think I have a place as an admin in Commons, but you're welcome to disagree. Patrícia msg 10:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- I am civil. And sure, my comment was hard, but correct. I am sad about the misknowledge about copyright laws of some of the admins at commons. To identify a cd-cover as a copyright is easy, but for such decisions like this one here, please let some admins decide whether delete or keep, which have the special knowledge in simple designs and copyright laws and respekt their decisions. And when you think my decision is wrong, then first discuss with me, so that I can explain my decision. But reopen and a short comment on my userpage is not the way we should go. If an admin close a deletion request, first discuss with the admin, also If you are an admin too. ChristianBier 22:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Christian, please {{be civil}}, derogating a fellow user, using a argumentum ad hominem, is hardly a way of discussing the issue with the image. I actually agree with Szczepan1990: the image is neither simple typeface nor a simple geometric shape and has certainly elements of originality. If it is not shown that such symbol is PD by any other reason, I also agree to
Delete. The image does not consist "entirely of information that is common property". It does contain original authorship in the shapes, selection and arrangement of its constituent elements, which go beyond standard fonts and simple geometric shapes. —LX (talk, contribs) 12:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- To finish discussion in this case I would prefer to replace PD-ineligible with PD-Polishsymbol, because it's a company owned and directed by local Government. ChristianBier 14:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- BTW: To put an arrow, an "M" and a circle together does'nt make original authorship to the logo. Where does your knowledge came from? The arrangement of common shapes NEVER can give you original authorship to a symbol. When parts of a logo are free, their composition is free to. When I put 5 public domain pictures with overlays and shadows together, I never can put a GFDL or CC-by-Licence on this work. Maybe I have to engage a lawjer, but I will send the bill for his work to the foundation. Will be very sad, but if the laws were misinterpreted by lot of admins, thats the only way we can go. ChristianBier 14:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- I may be wrong, but PD-Polishsymbol doesn't apply to company logos owned by Polish government. Even if it apply then it's not owned by Polish gov, but by Warsaw city (http://www.metro.waw.pl/page.php?id=14 - "Właścicielem spółki jest Miasto Stołeczne Warszawa."). Herr Kriss 16:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Deleted. Clearly not ineligible. Sorry, Christian, but you are to soft with Logo-Stuff, the rules are harder here than in dewiki. abf /talk to me/ 18:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
