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Gibson Girl[edit]

I can find no evidence in the "Gibson Girl" section, in the references given there, or in the article Gibson Girl to support the notion that the Gibson Girl was a progenitor of the flapper, so I have removed the section in total. If someone wants to re-add information on the Gibson Girl to this article, please make certain to include sources which explicitly claim that the Gibson Girl evolved into the flapper. Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:36, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral POV[edit]

"Women were willingly invited to dance, for drinks, for entrances up to jewelry and clothing. For the "return service", women granted any kind of erotic or sexual interaction from flirting to sexual intercourse. However, this practice was easily mistaken for prostitution."

This para implies that exchanging sex for consideration is not prostitution provided that the consideration is non-monetary. This is simply not the case - it totally is. At the very least, this judgment about what is and is not prostitution is not neutral, although the observation that people used the euphemism "charity girls" to differentiate them from sex-workers of a lower class is not (cf: 'Courtesan'). 2001:8003:1C1B:B800:103B:F517:6F2:A8BD (talk) 11:23, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The bigger problem I saw is that content was sourced to a ref that made no mention of "treating", "charity girls", or "prostitution". I've replaced the para with the sourced lead from Treating (dating). Section is about Slang and isn't the place to discuss whether or not treating = prostituion. Schazjmd (talk) 13:51, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Use of term flapper prior to the 1920s[edit]

This article points out (as I also did in an 8 Nov. 2023 edit to its introductory summary) that the slang term is much older than the '20s. Editor Issan Sumisu promptly reverted my longer edit to that effect, and indeed I now agree that it may be best to leave discussion of the term's origins to the article’s main body, since the flapper is certainly a Roaring Twenties icon. Still, her earlier rise deserves a nod even in the summary, where, per WP’s stylebook, one gives “the basics in a nutshell." My rewording of the summary places the flapper's public prominence amid the social upheavals following the First World War, rather than limit her entire cultural place to the 1920s. Though the flapper is much associated with that decade, such a limitation is not just misleading but inaccurate.

For style's sake, I again also alter the passive “what was then considered acceptable behavior” to “prevailing codes of decent behavior,” "prevailing" obviously indicating those prevailing at the time and “decent” connoting social propriety better than the vague “acceptable.” Mucketymuck (talk) 22:04, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]