Talk:2013 Santa Monica shooting

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Ethnicity/Religion[edit]

I heard on the local news that a neighbor mentioned the first suspect was Lebanese College Watch (talk) 22:28, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Do you have a link? That would be good inclusion for the article. 71.94.139.196 (talk) 22:31, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
see belowRedhanker (talk) 23:00, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Also, the video shows a clear Asian-American young man being arrested in Santa Monica. Possible convert? Maybe a North Korea connection? 71.94.139.196 (talk) 22:44, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
That maybe simply someone dressed in black who was detained as fitting the active shooter BOLO. Carwon (talk) 14:27, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
That doesn't change the fact that his race is central to this story, especially if he is Middle Eastern/Muslim. Don't you agree? 71.94.139.196 (talk) 18:30, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
There were some conspiracy theorists linking the Virgina Tech Cho killer to North Korea - one of his parents was from North Korea, his dad worked in Saudi Arabia. Various mysterious stabbings and vehicle and school attacks in South Korea and Japan might also come from North Korea Redhanker (talk) 23:00, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
In this case the radio news feeds are reporting that LA police are saying the shooters' father's and brother's name is Zawahri. Have not seen it in print yet to include. That name is almost always Egyptian (same as Al Qaeda leader) but also found in Lebanon and other Muslim countries.14:27, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

In what appears to be the killer's grandfather's obituary, the grandparents were from Jordan and attended St. George Antiochian Orthodox Church in Uniontown, Ohio, before they moved to Los Angeles and had their two sons. They are related to some members of Islam.

How likely is it that John Zawahri identified with Al-Qaeda leader, Ayman Mohammed Rabie al- Zawahiri (whose original surname is Zawahri? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daviddaniel37 (talkcontribs) 06:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

About as likely that you identify with David Daniel. WWGB (talk) 06:48, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Or about as likely as you have any respect for others' opinions. David Daniel. ([[User talk: Daviddaniel37) 21:18, 10 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daviddaniel37 (talkcontribs)
Your opinions and their value are not at issue here. You speculated, and WWGB merely pointed out that a similar last name does not justify speculation about whether the gunman admired a jihadist. Dwpaul (talk) 17:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Speaking of the other notable Zawah[i]ri, we probably need a disambiguation page, as searches for Zawahri immediately redirect to the Al-Qaeda leader, which may only fuel so-far unfounded speculation. I don't know how to create one, but I'm sure someone here does. Dwpaul (talk) 17:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

This has been addressed. 02:02, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Which brother lived where?[edit]

I'm seeing a lot of confusion between media sources over the living arrangements of the family as it pertains to the two brothers. Some say that Chris lived with his father at the house on Yorkshire Avenue and John in Mar Vista with his mother, while others say the opposite (both including articles seemingly based on information obtained since the mother returned). Based on the mother's neighbors' comments about John being loudly disruptive, I think the article is correct the way it is now, but we should be looking for clarification. Dwpaul (talk) 20:30, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

"Police in 2006 searched the house where Zawahri lived with his father after the teen made repeated violent threats ..." Time.com (emph added) http://nation.time.com/2013/06/12/santa-monica-shooter-had-troubled-history-long-before-campus-rampage But there are still many RS reporting/suggesting that he lived with his mother at/around the time of the shootings. Perhaps the arrangements changed after 2006? So I think this still unresolved. Dwpaul (talk) 21:23, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

"Zahwahri shot his father and brother, then set the home he sometimes shared with them on fire ..." The Corsair (SMC campus newspaper) (emph added) http://www.thecorsaironline.com/news/2013/06/15/zawahri-had-remorse-letter-police-say Dwpaul (talk) 23:15, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

American born?[edit]

As an aside, I'm pretty much certain I've seen a ref (though couldn't find it easily) that states that Zawahri was born in Lebanon but moved to the US with his mother who joined the father about 5 years after they were married. Since "American-born" was recently introduced in the lede but is uncited as nearly as I can tell, I am removing it. If someone can identify a reliable source, we can put it back. Dwpaul (talk) 02:21, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Redhanker stated above that John's POB was Los Angeles. If there is a reliable source for this specific info, please identify. Dwpaul (talk) 02:34, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

P.S. - "On the blog The Spirit of Truth, one reader posting under the name TTGEOTT" stated both brothers born in L.A. - Though repeated a generally reliable outlet, due to attribution to an anonymous blog-poster I do not consider this a reliable source for this or much of anything. Dwpaul (talk) 02:44, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

"[Sgt. Richard] Lewis said he did not know if Zawahri was born in the United States." http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/13/local/la-me-0614-santa-monica-shooting-20130614 Dwpaul (talk) 14:53, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Warring[edit]

Redhanker is trying to get this and things that are opinion in the article any way he can.

==Reactions==

The American Muslim was critical of a number of bloggers who tried to associate the tragedy with Muslims, Arabs and terrorism. TAM and other websites noted a source that stated the Zawahri family belonged to the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Church, and confirmed that Zawahri was a Christian whose parents came from Lebanon.[1][2]

I ask the admin's once again to ask him to stop. Kennvido (talk) 03:14, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Unsourced Edits Regarding Weaponry[edit]

I reverted IP user:70.66.13.54's contribution of the specific make and model of a weapon found among the replica weapons found at JZ's home. Info uncited and I cannot find in any search associated with JZ; also contributes ~0 value to the article. I assume good faith (IP probably has personal knowledge of weapons and IDed the gun from a photo, etc.) but assume this violates WP:NOR and WP:V. Unsure about the previous edit in the factbox. Dwpaul (talk) 23:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

And again reverted similar unsourced edits by User:Kaynbred223, along with identification of a minor actor (already named in the Victims sidebar) whose name we have previously agreed is not meaningful in relating the events discussed in this article. See WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:BOLPDwpaul (talk) 02:35, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Also unsourced edits to describe the AR-15 as being "homemade." Though stated by cited RS that the rifle appeared to have been assembled from parts, I have not seen definitive information as to who did so or where. JZ could have purchased a weapon assembled elsewhere by someone else from parts. "Homemade" implies JZ did so at home, not a fact in evidence. — 22:18, 10 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwpaul (talkcontribs)

IP user:24.2.78.85 edited Shooter to change the description of the magazines JZ carried from "large capacity" to "standard" and remove the info that each contained up to 30 rounds. The original information was sourced to SM Police Chief Seabrooks. Under California law, a "large capacity magazine" is defined as an ammunition feeding device that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition and is illegal to import into the state (except as parts) after 1/1/2000. Reverted. Dwpaul (talk) 12:43, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

  1. ^ "Santa Monica Victims: Samir and Christopher Zawahri". Santa Monica Patch. June 10, 2013. 
  2. ^ Musaji, Sheila (June 10, 2013). "Zawahri : What’s in a name?". The American Muslim.