Talk:Battle of Magnesia/GA1

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Reviewer: Peacemaker67 (talk · contribs) 03:05, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Sorry about the delay getting to this. A few comments:

Lead and infobox
  • suggest "pitting the forces of the Roman Republic led by the consul Lucius Cornelius Scipio Asiaticus", as the republic wasn't led by one consul but two
 Done
  • suggest "Magnesia ad Sipylum in Asia Minor" and note it is modern-day Manisa in Turkey (also in infobox)
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  • suggest "overpowered his adversaries on his right flank" as "right edge" depends on perspective
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  • suggest "The battle resulted in a decisive Roman-Pergamene victory, which led to the Treaty of Apamea..."
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  • put the modern estimates of numbers and casualties in the lead
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  • infobox image caption suggest "Illustration of a bronze plaque from Pergamon, likely depicting the Battle of Magnesia" no terminal punctuation if it isn't a complete sentence
 Done
Body
  • "from his Bactrian and Indian campaign, the Seleucid king"
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  • can you added years for the Bactrian and Indian campaign?
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  • Ptolemaic→Ptolemaic Kingdom
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  • protection towardsfrom the Roman Republic
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  • "crossed into the European partside of the Hellespont" the latter is a waterway
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  • "withdraws from Europe and restores"
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  • "meddling into the affairs of Asia Minor states, whose rights were traditionally defended"
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  • link Thrace
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  • "that the Aetolians willwould take his side in a future war with Rome, while Antiochus gave tacit support..."
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  • "to jointly revolt under Antiochus' leadership against the Romans"
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  • link infantry and cavalry
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Down to Prelude, more to come. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:41, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • "The Seleucid fleet sailed throughvia Imbros and Skiathos", as you can't sail through an island
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  • suggest "Philip expected that the Romans would emerge victorious in the conflict and counted on territorial rewards as well as the writing off of war reparations that he owed; while the Seleucids could provide neither, so Antiochus' overtures were rejected and Philip aligned himself with the Romans." if this is correct, although I note later that the Macedonians are with the Seleucids?
Done. Not really, the Macedonians guarded the Roman camp during the battle. See the comment on Philip bellow.--Catlemur (talk) 17:08, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • link counter offensive
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  • "forcing its king, Eumenes II,"
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  • "to the River Caecus"
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Down to Armies. More to come. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:36, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • "However, modern historians disagree on the issue, with some..."
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  • were the "1,500 Illyrians, 1,500 Carians and Cilicians, 1,000 Neocretans" all peltasts?
No, they were not.--Catlemur (talk) 17:35, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • suggest "The rest of the left wing consisted of 2,500 Galatian and 500 Tarentine light cavalry, 1,000 royal cavalry, 3,000 cataphracts, 2,000 Cappadocian infantry, 16 war elephants and a miscellaneous force of 2,700 light infantry"
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  • is "Philip, the master of the elephants" Philip V of Macedon?
    • No, its a Seleucid master of elephants who happens to have the same name.--Catlemur (talk) 17:08, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • use {{lang|el|taxeis}} ie the lang template for all Greek words
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  • suggest "Twenty war elephants separated into pairs were deployed in the gaps between the taxeis, and the phalanx..." the MOS says not to start sentences with numerals
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  • "1,500 Galatians and 1,500 Atians" what types of troops were these?
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  • link argyraspides
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  • "To their immediate right, Minnionas and Zeuxis commanded 6,000 psiloi light infantry."
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  • "The war camp was guarded by 7,000 of the least combat-ready Seleucid troops."
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  • was this the Gnaeus Domitius Ahenobarbus that was consul in 192 BC? if so, link Gnaeus Domitius Ahenobarbus (consul 192 BC)
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  • link company (military unit)
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  • who was in overall command of the Romans? Scipio Asiaticus?
Yes.--Catlemur (talk) 17:40, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • link rearguard
 Done
  • no mention of Scipio Africanus? I believe he was present?
Scipio Africanus was ill at the time of the battle, so he did not participate in any capacity.--Catlemur (talk) 13:15, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Down to Battle. More to come. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:01, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • what is/was the Phrygios? A river? Currently name to link to?
Its a river, but I cannot find a reliable source mentioning its current name.--Catlemur (talk) 17:40, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
  • "refused to initiate a pursuitbe drawn out."
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  • "from the Seleucid camp, which was surrounded by the Phrygios and Hermos rivers from three sides, by which the Romans hoped to limit the effectiveness of the Seleucid cavalry."
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  • 3,000 man strong→3,000-man
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  • During the following five days
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  • "Scipio, the Roman commander" which Scipio?
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  • where the Phrygios
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  • Antionchus
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  • "The Galatians, Cappadocians and mercenary infantry to the left of the phalanx, faced a simultaneous attack from the Roman center and the left flank. Causing them to retreat to the rear and exposing the phalanx's left flank." doesn't make sense. Can you check the sources, because this appears to have the Roman centre and left attacking the Seleucid left.
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  • For Roman legionnaires, link Roman legion
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  • link Sardes
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Down to Aftermath. More to come. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • suggest "Shortly after arriving at Sardes, Antiochus learnt that Seleucus had survived the battle"
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  • link Lycia
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  • "The conditions also included the requirement to hand over Hannibal, Thoantas and 20 notables as hostages, destroy all his fleet apart from 10 ships and give Rome 40,500 modiuses of grain per year"
 Done
  • did the Romans and Seleucids fight again at any stage? If so, a mention of this at the end would be good.
They did not.--Catlemur (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • make the hyphenation of the isbns consistent
 Done

That's all I have. Placing on hold for the remaining comments above to be addressed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:52, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am making an effort to address these but I am really busy IRL right now and don't have access to some of the sources as I am far from home.--Catlemur (talk) 16:50, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No worries at all, there is no deadline. Ping me when you're done. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:33, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Peacemaker67: Should be ready now.--Catlemur (talk) 16:20, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Great job on this. This article is well-written, verifiable using reliable sources, covers the subject well, is neutral and stable, contains no plagiarism, and is illustrated by acceptably licensed images with appropriate captions. Passing. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:01, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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