Talk:Craig Bartholomew

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StAnselm suggested the revisions by JFHjr be discussed here. The edit summaries of JFHjr spell out the rationale of his edits, and I have a hard tim believing that any like-minded editor would argue that listing so many publications--many in non-notable sources--is anything but WP:RESUME. The fact that "Visiting Lecturer" is listed amongst "publications" suggests, to me, we have WP:PEACOCK here, and WP:RESUME, amongst other problems (he worked at a soup kitchen? Great. And that should be in the article because?). Yeah, basically the rationale stated in the previous edit summary by JFHjr before it was reverted without reason. Jimsteele9999 (talk) 01:47, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My main objection was that all of it went - but degrees, work and ordination are all significant. You may not like the soup kitchen statement, but what about "Craig Bartholomew was a senior research fellow in the Department of Religion and Theology at the University of Gloucestershire, Cheltenham, England"? St Anselm (talk) 02:07, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've got to say, beyond the degrees, work, and ordination I don't see any value at all in this addition. The soup kitchen excerpt is fairly demonstrative, but by no means exhaustive; a very substantial part of that should be hacked out. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:13, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's not really an addition - it's how the article started. St Anselm (talk) 02:29, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, missed that somehow. Well, other than that my larger point stands. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:37, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Dawkins' page has a summary of his personal life, a brief summary of his parents' lives, and many more details far less immediately conducive to his education and work than the ones we are proposing to remove from Craig Bartholomew's page. While I agree that not necessarily everything needs to be on there, we have to bear in mind that this is the biography page of a respected scholar and academic. Langhston (talk) 03:41, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who says he is a "respected scholar and academic?". Are there any secondary sources that substantiate this? Have you read through WP:ACADEMIC? Even if he is, those labels relate to his repuation, not his notability.

As I noted, you reverted the edits made by JFHjr. It would have been more productive if you read his edit summaries. They pertain to why the subject of this article is likely not notable, and the content reads like a resume (interestingly, the "source" you added is just a ext. link to his CV at the place he teaches at (which, I may add, reads like an advertisement in itself...) Jimsteele9999 (talk) 01:48, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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