Talk:Descending Stories: Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju

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Requested move 2 October 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved - redirect created DrStrauss talk 13:24, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]


Descending Stories: Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju → Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu – Descending Stories refers only to the second part of the series. The name of the article should be the general name of the series. Talianos「talk」 11:03, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • What do you mean? It has been titled "Descending Stories: Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju" ever since volume 1 - see the page for it on the publisher's website.--IDVtalk 11:35, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose move per evidence given by IDV. In addition, it's clearly spelled "Showa", but the target title could be a redirect as a valid search term.  ONR  (talk)  19:55, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Generation?[edit]

(○代目 ＝ ○世 ≠ ○世代(Generation))
Rakugo#Notable rakugoka
ex.
(三遊亭圓楽 (5代目))
San'yūtei Enraku V

Eighth Generation Yakumo Yurakutei →Yurakutei Yakumo VIII
Second Generation Sukeroku Yurakutei →Yurakutei Sukeroku II
Third Generation Sukeroku Yurakutei →Yurakutei Sukeroku III
Fourth Generation Mangetsu Tsuburaya →Tsuburaya Mangetsu IV
Seventh Generation Yakumo Yurakutei →Yurakutei Yakumo VII --6290F (talk) 21:37, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@6290F: The official translation of the anime (not sure about the manga) uses "nth generation". Are you sure ○代目 can't be translated to "nth generation"? (For another example, one of the official translations for Genshiken Nidaime is "Genshiken Second Generation".) Of course, as you write, the translation for real-life rakugoka tends to uses generational suffixes, but I think we should go with the translation for the series for this. Sandtalon (talk) 07:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lupin the 3rd = 3rd Generation Lupin ? --6286f (talk) 21:59, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actual meaning of "Showa Genroku"[edit]

Hey so uh I don't really know how to go about this so imma put it in the talk section

The term 昭和元禄 (shōwa genroku) is a colloquial term to describe the so-called golden age of culture and a time of peace during the Showa era, just as the Genroku era was for the Edo period. I can't particularly find English-language sources for this, but here are several dictionary definitions. Here's Kotobank's and Weblio's Japanese to English entry on the terms. I guess you could equate it to the Japanese miracle??? (I dunno how to link to subheadings in an internal link). Hopefully this isn't too esoteric of a page to not be looked at by those more qualified than I.

73.245.249.219 (talk) 07:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, thanks. It's hard to explain all that in parenthesis so I've added a link to Wiktionary. Hope that's satisfactory, unless we'd prefer a footnote. By the way, the Japanese to English entry you're referring to is from JMDict. Also, "descending stories" itself seems to be a literal translation of rakugo (落語); cf. "fallen words". Opencooper (talk) 03:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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