Talk:Dorothy Hall (actress)

Requested move 3 July 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No primary topic – Dorothy Hall is now the dab page; hatnotes have been adjusted as appropriate. — JFG ^talk 11:11, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

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Dorothy Hall (actress) → Dorothy Hall – Sole Wikipedia article which uses this exact name as its main title header. During the time that English Olympic runner Dorothy Manley was married to her first husband, Peter Hall, she used the name "Dorothy Hall", but all the reference sites, such as this one or this one continue to use Dorothy Manley, since that is the name by which she has been best known to the public. A hatnote atop the actress' article directing users to Dorothy Manley should resolve the matter. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 07:57, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

• Seems entirely sensible. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 08:17, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose the 1920s actress is not that notable and already clearly titled as (actress), so removing (actress) doesn't help anyone. More importantly the athlete won her medals under her married name and we can't change all the pages mentioning her under the name she won the medals. There's also Dorothy Hall one of the historic buildings of Tuskegee University which is mentioned in 4 Wikipedia articles and has a dedicatory poem by Paul Laurence Dunbar on Wikisource. However if someone wants to (a) fix all the athlete's links, (b) create a three topic dab page, go ahead. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:53, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

It should be noted that [at least, as of this writing] Dorothy Hall redirects to Dorothy Manley without even a hatnote to Dorothy Hall (actress), thus removing "(actress)", and enabling a direct link, would certainly help those currently seeking the actress. The runner was an Olympic medalist in 1948 as Dorothy Manley, since she did not marry Peter Hall until 1949. The only time Wikipedia mentions her as competing under the name Dorothy Hall is in 4 links {1950 European Athletics Championships – Women's 100 metres, 1950 European Athletics Championships – Women's 200 metres, 1950 European Athletics Championships – Women's 4 × 100 metres relay and List of European Athletics Championships medalists (women)}. All the other links flow to Dorothy Manley. As for Tuskegee University's Dorothy Hall building, it certainly rates a mention, either in a hatnote or a potential disambiguation page. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 22:23, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Dorothy Hall (disambiguation) done and Dorothy Hall (athlete) redirect created, but wait on result of above. 1920s actress is third topic in books. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:29, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

The creation of the Dorothy Hall (disambiguation) page, in the middle of !voting upon the merits of the above nomination, changes the focus of the nomination from deleting the qualifier "(actress)" from the sole Wikipedia article which carries the main header "Dorothy Hall" to proposing Dorothy Hall (actress) as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the Dorothy Hall (disambiguation) page which currently does not specify a primary topic.
In the newly-created dab page's present incarnation, the primary topic automatically defaults to the Dorothy Hall redirect which points to Dorothy Manley where the absence of a hatnote makes it difficult to determine the existence of the newly-created Dorothy Hall (disambiguation) page. If the proposed nomination, which now has a different meaning, is not accepted, then the Dorothy Hall redirect to Dorothy Manley (which at some point will presumably gain a hatnote to Dorothy Hall (disambiguation)) will remain as the redirect primary topic of the Dorothy Hall (disambiguation) page.
Also, the current dab page text "Dorothy Hall (athlete), later known as Dorothy Manley, 1948 Olympics 100 metres silver medal medalist" needs to be revised in that Dorothy Manley is the birth name and Dorothy Hall became the married name after the Olympics. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 04:51, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

• No primary topic. Move the Dorothy Hall (disambiguation) page to the base title Dorothy Hall. The nominator's rationale doesn't quite stack up, I'm afraid. Just because the actor's page is not actually at any variant of "Dorothy Hall", does not remove her from contention for that title. See WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. Certainly I don't see a case for a full reversal of primary topic from one to the other now, but I think a no primary topic situation is justifiable.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:29, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support option of no primary topic, thus leaving Dorothy Hall (actress) unchanged. As the nominator [prior to the creation of the Dorothy Hall (disambiguation) page], I realize that this nomination, as it now stands, would make the actress the primary topic and, since neither the actress nor the athlete (who has gained public renown for Olympic achievements under her birth surname, Manley, rather than under her married surname, Hall) rise to the level of primary topic on the Hall dab page [which also includes the academic building], the actress' header should remain unchanged and the "Dorothy Hall" redirect to Dorothy Manley should become the dab page's main header. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 13:50, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.