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Important Things with Demetri Martin

Kemper has appeared a few times on this show... can we edit something in about this? 68.146.92.51 (talk) 01:30, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

  • We need a reliable source (not her IMDb page) that says she was in the show. Once we have that, we can add it. — Hunter Kahn 02:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Personal life section

Regarding this change, I don't think we can put her day of birth, parents, etc. etc. that info in a section at the bottom of the article like this. I can understand the sentiment behind making a "career" section, but no biography that I've seen has that kind of information last rather than first. I wanted to see if there were any thoughts here before I reverted it? — Hunter Kahn 14:41, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Personal info should go at the top, it's just common sense. I'll revert it myself. ~DC Talk To Me 14:47, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2021

Remove "kkk pageant" from occupation section 208.125.40.147 (talk) 20:42, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2021

Ha-ha, I agree that group is a racist POS; but probably best to remove KKK Pageant from her occupations as I think that counts as page vandalism. 97.116.6.92 (talk) 20:43, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Completed.... If a controversies or something section needs to be added- it should be, but that bit in the info box was not connected to a source and was confusing at best. Nightenbelle (talk) 20:47, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Who cares. It was in 1999. Shouldn't even be on there.

Veiled Prophet Ball 1999 - Queen of Love and Beauty

The following paragraph under the section "Personal Life" was reverted 2022-02-14 with the message "Inconsequential information; the controversy in question was briefly analyzed in only elite spaces, and unimportant in the scheme of Kemper’s career." I think that the citations show it is news-worthy, and "inconsequential" is subjective. In fact, in 2009, it was the first line of an article about her in her hometown newspaper, only to later re-emerge a year ago. Who are you to say this is "inconsequential"? https://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/from-vp-queen-to-the-office-john-burroughs-graduate-joins/article_978bc3fd-852f-5d9e-b114-489bb627d8b2.html

Since then, it has been reverted again by FMSky and others several times, without discussion, and with no indication of what the edit was in the description, making it hard to find in the edit history. Descriptions have included something like "typo" or "trivia", which implies that the intention is to obscure and blot out this inconvenient bit of personal history, which, again, was proudly proclaimed by St. Louis newspapers a decade ago, and certainly two decades ago, when the event happened. The Veiled Prophet Ball is a fairly notable annual event.

This should at least be discussed on the talk page. Those removing the paragraph have ignored a request by User:ScottishFinnishRadish to "Get consensus for this removal on the talk page please."

In June 2021, it was resurfaced that in 1999, at age 19, Kemper was presented as a debutante at the Veiled Prophet Ball,[1] where she was named the Veiled Prophet's Queen of Love and Beauty.[2] Kemper's participation in this event caused backlash on Twitter, with users claiming the Veiled Prophet Ball had a racist and elitist background.[3][4] The backlash prompted Kemper to release a statement denouncing white supremacy and apologizing for participating in the event, saying that although she had been unaware of the event's "unquestionably racist, sexist, and elitist past", she had been old enough to educate herself.[5][6]

Jendavidso (talk) 14:59, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Beauchamp, Scott (September 2, 2014). "The Mystery of St. Louis's Veiled Prophet". The Atlantic.
  2. ^ "From VP queen ...to 'The Office'; John Burroughs graduate joins fellow St. Louisans Jenna Fischer and Phyllis Smith at Dunder Mifflin". stltoday.com. December 13, 2009.
  3. ^ "Actor Ellie Kemper Is Under Fire After Photos Of Her Being Crowned Queen Of A "Racist And Elitist" Ball Resurfaced". BuzzFeed News. Retrieved June 2, 2021.
  4. ^ "What is the Veiled Prophet Ball and why is Ellie Kemper facing controversy?". The Independent. June 1, 2021. Retrieved June 2, 2021.
  5. ^ Edwards, Amanda (June 7, 2021). "Ellie Kemper Apologizes for Participating in Event With "Unquestionably Racist" History". Vanity Fair. Retrieved June 7, 2021.
  6. ^ Strohm, Emily (June 7, 2021). "Ellie Kemper Apologizes for Participation in Controversial Pageant: 'Ignorance Is No Excuse'". People. Retrieved June 7, 2021.

See WP:UNDUEWEIGHT ---FMSky (talk) 15:04, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Why do you feel that three sentences out of a much longer article is undue weight? - Jendavidso (talk) 15:06, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
If these sentences make up the entire personal life section, it is undue. People on Twitter getting angry is also WP:NOTNEWS --FMSky (talk) 15:07, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Her hometown newspaper wrote a story about it, that's literally news. Also if it's notable enough for the article on the VP Ball, maybe it's notable enough for her article. - Jendavidso (talk) 15:10, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Anyway, as others have requested, please get consensus on this talk page before removing this paragraph again. Jendavidso (talk) 15:15, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Again, the part would make up almost the entire personal life section. In the article on the VP Ball, it just says one sentence about it. It would have to be considerably shortened if put back in. Also, maybe putting it under early life makes more sense --FMSky (talk) 15:16, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Or maybe add more detail about her life than two sentences other than this? - Jendavidso (talk) 15:17, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
I put it under early life now, makes more sense FMSky (talk) 15:20, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Actually FMSky, you did a bit more than that, and it's becoming very difficult to assume good faith on your part. You added the phrase "the Ball's supposed racist and elitist background", which is your own personal opinion, which notably rejects Ellie Kemper's opinion, but a reader wouldn't know that, because you deleted her opinion:

The backlash prompted Kemper to release a statement denouncing white supremacy and apologizing for participating in the event, saying that although she had been unaware of the event's "unquestionably racist, sexist, and elitist past", she had been old enough to educate herself.[1][2]

At this point, I'm not sure what your point is here -- why not provide her response? Why give the benefit of the doubt to the Veiled Prophet Ball, something Kemper herself considers "unquestionably racist, sexist, and elitist"? I mean, good luck, hope she sees this, not like it's gonna help, she's not into the Veiled Prophet Organization any more. - Jendavidso (talk) 01:41, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

is the current version ok for you, single-purpose account of a previously banned user? --FMSky (talk) 03:14, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
  1. ^ Edwards, Amanda (June 7, 2021). "Ellie Kemper Apologizes for Participating in Event With "Unquestionably Racist" History". Vanity Fair. Retrieved June 7, 2021.
  2. ^ Strohm, Emily (June 7, 2021). "Ellie Kemper Apologizes for Participation in Controversial Pageant: 'Ignorance Is No Excuse'". People. Retrieved June 7, 2021.
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