Talk:Hawaiiloa

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I find it odd that Fornander's story of Hawaiiloa didn't cite his sources, but you allowed to put Kamakau. Remember, Kamakau was hired by Fornander to gather information and Kamakau gathered from many sources too, yet he is credited? I think there needs to be more consistency. I'm going to assume that this was the work of Zoe?

24.205.39.138 4 July 2005 16:01 (UTC)

Anon, you should take a username. Yes, much of that article was my (Zora's) work. The point is that the story is NOT found in the newspaper articles that Kamakau wrote, which were later collected and published. He apparently did not regard the story as trustworthy. He was more than an assistant hired by Fornander, he was a judge, a public figure. He contributed material to Fornander -- but what material?

It is a source of constant regret to Hawaiian historians that Fornander did not save his notes. He took variant versions of stories and edited them into what he regarded as "true". He was making editorial judgments, and discarding and altering material. Anything Fornander writes re migration theories is particularly to be distrusted, since Fornander was trying to prove that the Hawaiians were a lost tribe of Israel.

Correction -- they were wandering Mesopotamians influenced by the Jews! I reread the intro to my little Fornander paperback. Zora 6 July 2005 02:42 (UTC)

Today's readers don't see the full flavor of his nuttiness, since he is republished with the weirder bits excised, as boring.

Now it might be that we should expand the article to include more material re Fornander, the trustworthiness of his collections, current attitudes towards Fornander, etc. Zora 4 July 2005 18:28 (UTC)

  • This article needs a serious overhaul, as it does not clarify whether it covers the mythical figure of Hawai'iloa or the modern-day voyaging canoe. It seems to focus more on the figure but contains a picture of the voyaging canoe instead. Much of the information needs to be reworded as well; it seems to be more of a dissertation than a true encyclopedia article. the_one092001 (talk) 08:18, 19 September 2008 (UTC)