Talk:John Bailey (Irish politician)

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Political bias[edit]

The editing of this page was clearly politically motivated. Although I haven't made any edits, I would encourage that any future edits be made in the spirit of political neutrality.

Notability[edit]

I have created this article as I believe the subject meets the notability criteria of WP:POLITICIAN. Specifically this bit:

  • People who have held international, national or first-level sub-national political office, including members of a legislature and judges.[8]
  • Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage.[7] Generally speaking, mayors are likely to meet this criterion, as are members of the main citywide government or council of a major metropolitan city

DunLaoghaire county councillor is a first-level sub-national politicial office. There are hundreds of article in the Irish press about John Bailey. I have listed a few in the references section at the end.

None of them are of national importance, they either relate to the DLR County council or Dublin GAA County Board, all local issues. Still fails wikipedia notability criteria. Snappy (talk) 17:12, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The stories were judged by the editors of national new sources, The Irish Times, The Irish Independent, RTE, Sunday Business Post, Sunday Tribune to be worthy of national coverage. These stories weren't relegated to a Dublin subsection of their publications. Besides which, where in the notability criteria is it stated that a subject with mere citywide importance cannot be notable? MoyrossLADY (talk) 09:40, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Third party views of Bailey's national importance[edit]

Colm Keys, writing in the Irish Independent in 2005 has this to say about Bailey's national notability:

There are, of course, a few notable exceptions. Ask an ordinary GAA fan to name a County Board chairman outside their own county and John Bailey will invariably trip off their tongue. Dublin triggers that type of notoriety. [1]

There are a lot of ordinary GAA fans around. This guy was in the sports headlines for 10 years. MoyrossLADY (talk) 09:40, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Kimmage writing in the Irish Independent has this to say about his fame

With that in mind, it's tempting to believe that his broader ambitions haven't been helped by the controversies of the past eight days. The opposite is probably the truth. "At this stage, he must be the best known councillor in Ireland," says one Dublin club official.[2] MoyrossLADY (talk) 10:45, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hardly, unless your a GAA fan and/or live in DLR, then no ones (i.e. the vast majority of the people of Ireland) ever heard of him. Also Wikipedia notability for sports persons is for players. Snappy (talk) 13:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am in the minority of people in Ireland with no interest in GAA yet I have heard of him because I read the newspapers and I watch national TV and I listen to national radio. Wikipedia notability is for anyone who meets WP:BIO
A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published[3] secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject.[5]
If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be needed to prove notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability.[6]
Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject.
Notability for people involved in sports is not limited to players. How can you claim that? Here's a few thousand for a start [3] MoyrossLADY (talk) 14:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This entire article is full of trivia that is of no interest to anyone unless you are John Bailey or are related to him, or are a friend/colleague or party activist. This non-entity will have a bigger article than serious Irish political figures. Snappy (talk) 18:24, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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