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Cleanup

The information in this article is organized like some sort of fansite, with all this pseudo-roleplaying in the writing. Just look at this thing:

July 24th, 2004 (Judgement Day)

The third terminator to be sent back in time is the T-X, which was sent to 1:14 AM July 24th, 2004. Unlike it's two predecessors, the T-X's primary objective was to terminate the following young people who would become John's generals in the future:

  1. Anderson, Elizabeth (Terminated)
  2. Anderson, William (Terminated)
  3. Barrera, José (Terminated)
  4. Brewster, Katherine
  5. Brewster, Robert (Terminated)
  6. ???
  7. Holand, ???
  8. ???, Ted
  9. ???

That is not how an encyclopedia article on a work of fiction should go. Especially the whole bit with the "Terminated" next to the names.--Foot Dragoon 05:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Untitled

I seek John Connor. --Cyberman 06:45, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

I still seek John Connor. --Cyberman 03:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Should we add to the disambiguation page John Connors, the former CFO of Microsoft?--Whirling 07:39, August 1, 2006 (UTC)

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Sarah Connor Chronicles

User:24.11.137.46 added the assassination attempt from the pilot of The Sarah Connor Chronicles to the list of attempted assassinations, but now I think the article needs a little re-working. As far as I can tell, the SCC series exists in alternate timeline from the films and will not take into account the events of T3, so it would be inaccurate to list it alongside the "film-verse" assassinations. I'm thinking of placing the events of the series under a new section, separate from the film-verse events. Chances are there'll be more attempted assassinations in the series anyway. Thoughts? -- Annie D 00:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Considering that there may well be assassination attempts on him the majority of the time throughout the serise, it may be worth just mentioning the series in a new section and not even list each individual attempt. Also, until the pilot has been shown on TV, the decription for 1999 gives too much away 88.105.166.147 19:50, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

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clarify list of actors

I had to think for a few seconds to understand the opening of the second full paragraph about the actors who portrayed the character. I propose it be changed from

"Although only mentioned in the original The Terminator, in 1991's sequel Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Connor is portrayed by teenager Edward Furlong and in brief scenes by Michael Edwards depicting John Connor as an adult...."

to something like

"In the original film The Terminator, the name John Connor is only mentioned. In the 1991 sequel Terminator 2: Judgment Day, the character is portrayed by teenager Edward Furlong and, as an adult, in brief scenes by Michael Edwards...."

Maybe my brain is just slow today. In any case, I'm not sure what I proposed is actually what was meant in the original version; hopefully someone can confirm/correct/elaborate.

And why specifically say teenager Edward Furlong?

69.138.244.13 (talk) 04:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

OVERLY FICTIONAL

There's too many notes throughout this article: everything is "fictional". OF COURSE IT'S FICTIONAL. Stop telling me! --Blue Spider (talk) 00:55, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't supposed to be written from an in-universe perspective. John Connor is fictional, we're supposed to write about him as fictional, not as a real person.  Paul  730 07:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Nevertheless, but it doesn't need to be forced down the readers' throats. . . GG The Fly (talk) 02:17, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Attempted assassinations

Maybe it's just me, but I don't like the way this section is getting cluttered up and repeating info already in the biography section. Additionally, putting the "attempted assassinations" from the series alongside T3 might confuse readers who are unfamiliar with the source material. Anyone object to integrating the two sections? Annie D (talk) 00:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree, if this section mixes the timeline of SCC with T3 it will get very confusing, given that the two are not even supposed to share continuity. The whole section is kind of redundant. Fritter (talk) 03:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Comics/videogames

I don't know thing one about the comics and video games, but I do know that john connor is in them. Should this not be mentioned? Serendipodous 18:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Character Inconsistencies

Whilst it's important to note differences between films/etc, this section seems more like an essay style rather than encyclopedic in tone. I also think it's unfair to suggest that these are inconsistencies or errors - my understanding is that in the TV series, they've intentionally changed some of the earlier events, so the films should not be considered canon (much like it would be silly to talk about "inconsistencies" between Buffy the Vampire Slayer the movie, and Buffy the TV series - rather, the film is not treated as canon in the TV series).

Also:

  • Why would T2 had to have been in the summer specifically?
  • That the terminator said "in three years" when it seemed closer to two may be an inconsistency, but it doesn't really have anything to do with John Conner, so is off-topic for this article. It's not even an inconsistency between films - it's just a flaw in Terminator 2: Judgment Day, so it should be moved there.
  • Similarly with "35 years from now".

In fact, there are no inconsistencies regarding John Connor's age between T1 and T2. The only differences we should mention here are his age differences in T3, and in the TV series. Mdwh (talk) 14:18, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Is is summer because kids are off from school. --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 15:34, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Aren't there several times of the year that kids can be off from school? Mdwh (talk) 16:54, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Intelligence

In T2, John Connor was experienced with weapons and such and was smart; in T3, he was slow-witted and not that smart. What happened? -- Tim, 22 March, 2007

Dont you remember? In T3 he starts doing drugs. Perhaps he's disillusioned at the fact that nothing is happening (i.e. Judgment Day hasn't happened yet), his mom dies, etc. He's having a hard time with all this and can't cope. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.242.174 (talk) 07:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Biography streamline

Kudos to the clean-up, the article looks much smoother now. However, there are two points that were removed and I think might be worthwhile restoring. The first is the alternate future of peace that was shown in one Director's Cut for Terminator 2, where Connor is a Senator. Second is the (I'd think important) note that the Sarah Connor Chronicles series will be deliberately distancing itself from the events that happened in T3. Thoughts? Annie D (talk) 06:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I have some thoughts Annie. As to your first point, it clearly is a csae where Sarah is delusional and is seeing what she thinks is the future. Clearly if the war had not broken out John would have been an automechanic at the least or a copier repair tech but not a politician. Or Or this could be the case. He becomes Senator but all the power goes to his head and he gets busted for bribery like the Congresman "Duke" Cunningham, you know the Vietnam Ace who is now doing time. Sarah is off her meds thats why she sees him in the playground pushing his daughter on that swing. As for your second point, there is some discontinuity but they also indicate that Sarah dies of Leukemia just like T3 said she did so I really think we should wait how far the movieand series depart. I hope this is very hepful for you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.242.174 (talk) 07:44, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Spoiler Warning

I noted the existence of spoiler info-boxes in many articles relating to fictional universes/characters/items. It's purpose is obvious - but I could not find strict rules of using them, at least the terms on which they would be neccessary to apply, so I guess it's common sense thing. Should not they be applied to this, and many other articles concerning Terminator universe? At least in TtSCC section. My primary reason for applying it, to quote now, would be personal experience. Not everyone is living in US, I do not, for example... I am somewhere at S01E08 now, and reading the last sentence of TtSCC section made me whisper "oh craaaaaaap". Seeing this large yellow rectangle would stop me from accidentaly peeking there. There are many people like me, who may be interested (for example) in getting together some facts about T3 and who would certainly not like to know later events of TtSCC before watching everything to the point personally. (Vonzgred (talk) 03:26, 26 January 2009 (UTC))

Edward Furlong

Is it known, why Nick Stahl was chosen for the role instead of, again, Edward Furlong? --84.129.92.96 20:07, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Because we hardly want to see our hero looking like this: http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2946/furlongmd4.jpg --Bernessa (talk) 15:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Age

Was John Connor really 13 in Terminator 2, as stated in Terminator 3? I thought he was 10 in T2?--Tim

He was 10. That was a major continuity error by the makers of Terminator 3. - Annie D 22:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Why did the writers change Connor's age from 10 to 13, and why was it allowed to stay that way to begin with?--Tim
Personal opinion: because the script for T3 was crap. There are several other discrepancies that, quite frankly, shouldn't exist. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Explain!--Tim

I haven't listened to any commentaries or watched any behind-the-scenes documentaries that might explain this, but from what I'm guessing, the makers of Terminator 3 were either not aware of the canon established by the previous movies, or they didn't care about it. -- Annie D 06:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I have a theory about the age thing: They got the "13" thing from one of the film's taglines, which reads "Ten Years Ago. The Machines Who Rule The Future Sent An Unstoppable Terminator To Assassinate The Yet Unborn John Connor. They Failed. In 1991. The Machines Will Try Again." Maybe they got the 1981 birth from that tagline. -- Tim 4 February, 2007

Sarah's and john's birth dates?

sarah: According to James Cameron's script, Sarah Connor is 19 years old in the first Terminator. But you wouldn't know that from the movie. If you accept a real theory, where Terminator 2 take place 10 years after first one, her age is OK, because Dr. Silberman speaks in the beginning of T2 about Sarah like "A 29-year-old female". We can see the T-800 with her student's card

Here is the explanation buddies it seems the makers of T3 mistakely assumed the birth dates of the real actors for their characters, instead of using the fictional ones of their characters, with a sign on Sarah's coffin stating a "1956-1997" date, as when the first Terminator was shot, the actress Linda Hamilton was 28 while fictionaly in T1 she is 18/19.

the T2 took place fictionaly in 1994/1995 not 1991 but a few years into the future (then) heck even the malibu comics prove this

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.109.130.11 (talk) 14:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

Can someone provide a cited source that shows the either of the ages in question? I think the info should be left out until a source can be provided. Thoughts? Roguegeek (talk) 04:07, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

In reading the source provided that is suppose to back the 10 year old claim, it state the following:
"who arrives from the future to protect a rebellious teenager and future leader"
10 years old is not a "teenager." I'm not trying to agree or disagree with anyone. Just trying to point out how this fact is difficult to nail down considering all of the bad sources. Thoughts? Roguegeek (talk) 04:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
As far as T2 is concerned, John Connor is 10, it's confirmed visually when the T-1000 pulls up John's information on the police computer. I had made a screencap of the computer screen and uploaded it for this article during a previous dispute on the same issue, but after it was agreed 10 was his correct age, the image was declared unnecessary and deleted. Annie D (talk) 05:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I linked to the T2 script, which was linked on Wikipedia's T2 page. I'm surprised this is available online, but it seems legit. In section 14 and also 24 John is explicitly described as a 10 year old. Further, many sources describe T1 as being set in 1984 with T2 taking place a decade later making John approximately 10 (his exact age depends on what month he was conceived and what month is the present in T2, which isn't clear to me). However the script, if it's legitimate, reveals the intention of the writers and I think we should defer to that. Fritter (talk) 05:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

New editor SamMcConnaughey (talk · contribs) just blanked the entire T2 section. According to his user page, he thinks the age should be 13. I reverted the vandalism. - Colfer2 (talk) 18:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


John's birthday/age is nothing if not inconsistent. T2 shows that his birthday is February 28, 1995 and his age in T2 as 10. This puts T2 in 1995/1996. However, the Terminator says that "Cyberdyne will become the largest supplier in 3 years." This makes T2 take place sometime in 1994. So, T2 isn't even internally consistant.

T3 retcons his age in T2 as 13. This also retcons his birthday to sometime between May 12, 1984 (the date of the first Terminator movie) and August 29, 1984 (13 years prior to the August 29, 1997 Judgment Day), a gestation period of at most 3 months. Obviously, that doesn't make very much sense. The DVD extras say that he is 22 in 2004 (when T3 takes place), putting the year that he was 13 in 1995 (that fits), but his birthday back in 1982, before the first Terminator movie.

The Sarah Connor Chronicles sticks with him being 15 in 1999, and T2 taking place 2 years before 1999 (making it 1997). This makes him 13 in T2, and his birthday in the same window as stated above for T3. It also shows him celebrating his "24th" birthday in late 2007 (putting it well outside the above window), making him born in late 1983 (before the first Terminator movie).

In Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, John states that the second terminator (T2) to make an attempt on his life happened when he was 12 (Today is the Day part 2). Born in '85 that puts T2 in '97. What I don't get is why John is described as "30's/40's" in flashforward in T1; which is supposed to be 2029. Wouldn't that be 44? The time travel forward shouldn't be subtracted as The Sarah Connor Chronicles is supposed to be an alternate story to T3.

125.238.14.68 (talk) 11:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

The point is, nothing makes sense. Trying to figure it all out is impossible, and you should just take whatever they say at face value, even if it doesn't fit with anything else. John was born in 1985. In T2, which takes place at least three years prior to August 29, 1997, John is 10. In T3, which takes place in 2004, he's 22. In the Sarah Connor Chronicles, which takes place in 2007/2008, he's 24 (although he skipped over 8 years through time travel). None of the math works out, but there it is. ColdFusion650 (talk) 00:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

All I know is that I haven't seen the first one, I've seen the second one and the third one. From what I thought or I could tell, John was born in 1984 from what wikipedia said (the t1 movie) and the mom is/was 25. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.235.213.215 (talk) 06:19, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Assasination Attempts

On the June 8,1995 part it says that the Terminator was sent back in time at 4:58 AM and in retaliation future John Connor sent the other Terminator back in time at 3:14 AM of the same day. Does this mean that John Connor sent a Terminator back to protect his younger self from a Terminator that had not been sent back yet?

According to the documentaries on the T2 DVD, Skynet sent both their Terminators back one after another, possibly the second one as back-up in case the first one failed. Then John Connor and his team broke into the Skynet mainframe and sent both Kyle Reese and the re-programmed Terminator as protectors. John, of course, already knew to which points in the past he'd have to send the two protectors. -- Annie D 08:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

does anyone know why John Connor has to be terminated; after all this lad was the last hope for man kind and the leader! why assasinate your leader!?!? no one no where has mentioned this point!

i thought it over, and it is very relivant!!!! chazfan

^ you sound very confused. John Connor is the leader of the human (resistance against the machines); Not Skynet's leader... skynet doesn't have a leader. 83.109.221.234 (talk) 16:25, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Photo

The photo currently displayed i believe doesn't relate to most and the iconic young John Connor of Edward Furlong in T2. As such i think it should be replaced by something like this http://www.wolfevents.de/expo-store/images/EdFurlong(2).jpg --AnYoNe! 20:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I thought the same, I'm sure a picture like that would be as much fair use as the other images here, Or a similar looking one that is a screenshot of T2 would be OK; the computer screen with John's info is already a screenshot of T2.
Carlwev 04:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I have a more updated image of the four actors playing John Connor that actually does look better than the one up now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Many_Faces_of_John_Connor.png Yes, or no?--Bernessa (talk) 14:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I vote no. The new photo gives greater weight to Christian Bale than the others and, honestly, looks like a promotional image for Salvation. The current image gives equal weight and space to each actor. I see nothing wrong with the current image, except the possibility of replacing the current Christian Bale image with a clearer one, without disturbing the layout. kingdom2 (talk) 18:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Oooh, that's okay by me, i do see what you mean, thanks. May see what happens when more promotional images come out of Salvation nearer the time. --Bernessa (talk) 18:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I also say no, i agree that it does look good, but indeed it leaves far too much weight for Bale. Great work though. --Dazai (talk) 19:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
The Real John Connor - Skynet — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.83.200.156 (talk) 01:48, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

The Terminator and John

Okay, explain this: In "The Terminator," Kyle tells sarah that the teminator "can't be bargained with." In T3, when the terminator is about to kill John Connor, John asks the terminator not kill him. The Terminator obeys. Can someone explain!?--Tim, 6 January, 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.109.136.128 (talk) 03:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

Kyle was talking about the Terminators programmed by Skynet to be ruthless killing machines. The Terminator John Connor faces in that scene has been re-programmed as a protector by Katherine Brewster. Annie D 03:39, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


You are both wrong.He was confused with 2 missions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.49.42.137 (talk) 17:02, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

No your wrong. He/She's right. Sean 16:28, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Marriage

Nothing in the first two Terminator movies mention Connor having a wife--Catherine Brewster. Then why was she mentioned in T3, and not the other two? -- Tim, 23 March, 2007

Because the events of T2 led to an alternate future (T3)... at the time of T2 they didn't know that future would come about. In other words, ignore T3 because it's crap. Dinsdale1234 19:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, that's about all I can come up with, too. I tried coming up with a nifty in-universe explanation for it, but T3 really is just a piece of shit. If I had a dollar for every continuity error it introduced, I could single-handedly support the Wikimedia Foundation for a few years. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
While I agree with these views, the talk page is not for discussing the article's topic, only the improvement of the article's content. -- Annie D 22:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
It is because Judgement Day was aborted and kate's dad took up miles project creating a rift in which he meeets up with his wife and gets married  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.130.8.135 (talk) 15:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Everyone T3 is crap the true sequel to T2 is Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Sean 16:30, 20 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean199813 (talk • contribs)

Orphaned references in John Connor

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of John Connor's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "ew-20080111":

  • From Sarah Connor (Terminator): Svetkey, Benjamin (January 11, 2008). "'Sarah Connor Chronicles': 'T3' Rebooted". Entertainment Weekly. Retrieved 2008-09-13.
  • From List of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles characters: Svetkey, Benjamin (2008-01-11). "'Sarah Connor Chronicles': 'T3' Rebooted". Entertainment Weekly. Retrieved 2008-09-13.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 18:00, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Merge discussion

In light of the recent announcement that the Terminator Genisys sequels have been cancelled, I propose that the T-3000 article be merged into John Connor. It refers to a specific portrayal of Connor in one particular film, and there's no reason that this information should be kept to the side in a separate, lower-traffic page, especially now that we now know it won't be reprised or expanded on. Of the three sections currently in the T-3000 article, two ("Background" and "Abilities") are completely in-universe, while the other ("Design") could easily fit here. Terminator (character) isn't split into four or five pages for each version of the character Schwarzenegger played, it's a better article for it. —Flax5 13:55, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

No complaints in nearly a month, so I'm moving ahead with the merge. —Flax5 09:52, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

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