Talk:List of post-nominal letters (Canada)

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I can't find a cite at all that gives precedence for the post-nominal letters of Baronets, United Empire Loyalists, or ADCs. I doubt very much that "UE" or "ADC" come before the Victoria Cross.--Ibagli rnbs (Talk) 21:25, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. I see now they aren't meant to be in order.--Ibagli rnbs (Talk) 21:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That is a good point though, I think that several people would like to know the proper order especially since Canadian usage diverge from the traditional British one in a few areas. For example in British usage the "PC" which in Britain is only used by Peers goes after all decorations and medals, but in Canada it goes in front for members of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada. I think the article should be re-written to place them in order or a separate article explaining it should be drafted. 01:02, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Are the post-nominals "MP" only used for current members or for past ones as well? --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 17:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, "MP" as well as "MLA", "ADC" or other post-nominals strictly associated with a position are used only while holding that office. 01:02, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Esq. not really used in Canada[edit]

Esquire (Esq.) is known to have been used in the past but as its use has gradually grown to include all men, we rarely see it nowadays and usually only see it when the individual does not have other post-nominals. In any case, it probably doesn't belong grouped with "Hereditary" titles. Because it is seldom use nowadays, I would recommend its removal altogether or at least a note with example that explain its use (or lack thereof) within Canada. — 00:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

General Cleanup[edit]

This list is really a mess. It would be nice to have everything in alphabetical order, and with provided references for each post nominal's use. As mentioned above, esq. does not belong on this list, as it's not a Canadian post-nominal, and it certainly is not hereditary. Perhaps we can gather as many of the 'stake holders' as we can before tackling this at any greater depth. Trackratte (talk) 13:27, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What is "DU"?[edit]

What do the post-nominal letters "DU" mean?

Examples:

ROBERTSON: Robert Gordon Robertson, PC, CC, MA, DU, FRSC was Commissioner of the Northwest Territories

ROMANOW: Roy John Romanow, PC, OC, SOM, QC, B.A., LL.B, DU, Canadian politician and former Premier of Saskatchewan as well as one of the 100 Alumni of Influence from the U of S.

--LukasMatt (talk) 08:03, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I ran into that one once before and couldn't figure it out. I did a bit more googling just now, though, and I think it might stand for Doctor of the University, an honorary doctorate that the University of Ottawa conferred on both Romanow (2003) and Robertson (1982). Graham11 (talk) 19:58, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

UE has no official status and should be removed[edit]

Why is "UE" again cited on this post nominals page? This term has no official recognition and has no standing with provincial/federal government.

The supporting footnote does not even reference a post nominal. Lord Dorchester's pre-confederation decree allows the use of the term "United Empire Loyalist" and not a post nominal. I see no evidence that any Canadian government has ever recognized these letters.

Including UE as a post nominal means that any group could create its own title and demand inclusion here. Cursory research shows that even the United Empire Loyalist Association of Canada agrees this title has no recognition.

The professional bodies which grant post nominals have legal standing at the provincial or federal level while the UELAC has neither. Without evidence of actual recognition, this term should be removed.

"Being a proved Loyalist descendant confers no special status in Canadian or other society" http://www.uelac.org/membership.php

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.162.131.222 (talk) 16:57, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@113.162.131.222 and Graham11: Lord Dorchester's order-in-council did mention post-nominals in a sidenote (see bottom of http://www.uelac.org/PDF/ldp.pdf). Even if this is not enough to show governmental recognition, the UE post-nominals are still used in some limited contexts, like genealogy. Because it's used in Canada, it's reasonable to think that someone might come to this article looking for a definition, so we should give one to them. It would be easy enough to add a footnote or comments column where we explain the use of the letters. We already have other letters with a note saying it's only used in certain contexts. --—Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 19:05, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Order of precedence after the name[edit]

It seems that the order in which the post-nominals ought to appear after the name is not the same as what the list shows. I think everyone would benefit from listing them in order or otherwise explain the order somewhere on the page. Does anyone know an authority for precedence of post-nominals in Canada. I know it goes VC, CV, PC, CC, ... But when it comes to educational degrees and professional designations what is the rule, I think that this article can be improved by explaining the precedence of post-nominals as it apply to Canada.

I don't think there's a single order consistently used in Canada, but in my experience, the order used is usually the same as is in Debrett's (a British publication) except with PC for Privy Councillors coming before Crown honours (and being used for peers and non-peers alike). See http://www.debretts.com/forms-address/hierarchies/letters-after-name. Graham (talk) 03:27, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Changes to Order of St. John[edit]

I'm not a great editor of webpages and most sources haven't updated their information/websites yet, however, the post nominals list will require editing. Further to the 2018 revision of the Royal Charter & Statutes, Rideau Hall informed the Order of St. John in Canada of two items (I have a copy of an April 20, 2020 email from the Priory Secretary): first, that Member of the Order of St. John (MStJ) has been approved for use in lieu of the former Serving Brother / Serving Sister (SBStJ / SSStJ) post nominals. This is already reflected in the wiki page. Secondly, that members of the Order may use their post nominals on any matter or occasion where the members would use any other post nominals, meaning that the Order now grants post nominals for use in Canada. This latter change is what needs to be reflected in the wiki page, though I don't want to mess it up in attempting it myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:56A:F9A9:6000:6445:95EB:77B6:FB0A (talk) 19:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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