Talk:Role-playing video game/Archive 6

Creation

Created this page as a stub. Text taken from the Computer role-playing game article. Titles and companies that should be treated:

• Electronic Arts
  • The Bard's Tale
  • Wasteland
• Origin more in-depth
• Wizardry
• Eye of the Beholder series
• SSI

Mikademus 11:52, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Suggestions and questions

• Probably could use a lead paragraph, though I'm not totally sure how it should be.
• Should be the Chronology section from the main article be cut and pasted (or moved) here?

Proposed structure (loosely):

• Mainframe/early computing
• PCs, text RPGs like Rogue, to graphical (Ultima, Gold box stuff)
  • Early online services, like MUDs?
  • Something on console influences? Or is something like that already covered sufficiently in the main article?
• The '90s, VGA graphics, some influence on semi-RPG/non-RPG games like Quest for Glory?
• Semi-revival in the late '90s with Interplay/Black Isle (Fallout, Baldur's Gate, etc.)
  • Diablo, other late '90s hack n'slashers which became the dominant games?
  • Ultima Online and the rise of MMORPGs
• 2000s, Neverwinter Nights, Xbox, mainstream expansion of MMORPGs?

Any thoughts? --SevereTireDamage 07:24, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

"Xbox" section is ridiculous. RPGs have appeared on many home consoles, and nobody would claim the Xbox to be a bastion for RPGs. Should be generalized to all home consoles, or removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.68.47 (talk) 18:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Chronology and division of topics

We should group the headers choronologically as well as thematically. Something like (years and rubrics from the top of my mind, many years will very likely be wrong):

• "CRPG"
  • The development of the terms "rpg" and "crpg": What we today define as role-playing games is not what was originally considered. The original MUDs were very simple, and some people saw Zork, f.i., as a RPG. Should be mentioned, could be relevant for history.

• 1960-1975: The originas of CRPGs and mainframe MUDs
  • MUD
• 1975-1980: The graphical CRPG
  • Innovations
  • Rouge and Rogue-alikes
• 1980-1997: The single-player golden age
  • Innovations
    • Mouse interface
    • 2.5D / "fake 3D" immersion
    • True 3D (Ultima Underworlds)
  • Origin: Ultima
  • SSI: Forgotten Realms Saga, Dragonlance Saga
  • Eye of the Beholder
  • The SEGA/Famicom explosion
• 1997-2001: Refinement
  • Innovations
    • True 3D
      • Ultima IX
      • Gothic
  • Final Fantasy VII, VIII etc
• 2001-present: The multiuser revolution

Mikademus 08:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

New millenium

I've added information about the games of Obsidian, Bethesda, Bioware and Troika to the new millenium part. I know it says little about the games themselves, but the black isle developers have been instrumental in these milestone games, and someone can expand with more information about the games themselves and their inventions and breaktroughs. Maybe some information about the fusing of pen-and-paper rulesets (like d20) to crpg's can be added. --Ifrit 11:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I cleaned up this section a bit, mostly because I didn't see much connection between Bethesda and the other companies. They may deserve a mention earlier in the article chronologically, but I think that the sheer popularity of Morrowind really raised their influence, compared to the days of Daggerfall. Also, while I find Troika interesting, in the long run their effect remains to be seen, since none of their games were successes. More information about how these games compare to pen and paper RPGs would be interesting, but I don't know anyhing about those.--SevereTireDamage 06:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Remove section on online games

I think this section should be removed, as there already is an article on the subject (History of MMORPGs). I also don't see the influence of online RPGs on CRPGs in general. SharkD 12:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

You must be kidding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.188.212 (talk) 01:07, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

genre distinction

A genre cannot be defined by platform, and as such the terms "Console" and "Computer" RPG are not well applied. What's worse, there really are no other absolute conventions that could be used to distinguish these schools of design, only vague, often broken "tendancies." There are different styles of RPG but they are not as broad as "console and computer" or even "eastern and western".

Anyone trying to write a history of this genre that cannot acknowledge that Ultima is the same genre of game as Phantasy Star and Dragon Quest is lying to themselves. Computer and console RPGs have a deeply intertwined history and trying to write a history of only one or the other is going to result in a really crappy article.

If no one has any compelling objections, I'm going to move this to History of video and computer role-playing games and include it to discuss trends of influence across platforms and continents.67.85.188.212 (talk) 04:48, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

"A genre cannot be defined by platform..."

How can it not be when it is? SharkD (talk) 05:06, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Because "Computer RPG" isn't a genre. RPGs are RPGs regardless of platform.

Fair use rationale for Image:Fallout2-reactor.jpg

Image:Fallout2-reactor.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 06:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Baldursgate1.jpg

The image Image:Baldursgate1.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check

• That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
• That this article is linked to from the image description page.

The following images also have this problem:

• Image:Wizardry1.png
• Image:PoolsOfDarkness-Title.png

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --14:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)