Talk:Siamese–American Treaty of Amity and Commerce

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Wikisource[edit]

I find WickedSource extremely difficult to use. I also find the full text of the treaty to be no less important than the full text of the interview at Just watch me. I, however, have not that much gall, and will just watch you. --Pawyilee (talk) 16:27, 15 March 2012 (UTC) ~~:If you're going to move it, move it and put a source link in its place. I do not know how to do it, myself.~~ --Pawyilee (talk) 11:40, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Paul 012; now how to use it in treaty infobox? --Pawyilee (talk) 03:43, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Still don't know how to use Wikisource properly. It's flagged as PD-old and not PD-US-Gov, though the English text is at bangkok.usembassy.gov linked below, which in turn credits the Thai Embassy in Wash.D.C.

Wiki'd source instructions say titles can be piped, but the info box link ignores |English text. I also don't know if it can be used as an inline cite instead of iceberg.

Another candidate for Wiki'd sourcing for those who know how is "United States, United States, William M. Malloy" Compilation of Treaties in Force. Malloy cites yet another source and adds important details, and implies that Roberts Siamese Treaty of 1833 continued in force after the Harris Siamese Treaty of 1856. --Pawyilee (talk) 08:35, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

infobox test[edit]

Moved to article. --Pawyilee (talk) 08:35, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Additional sources and problems[edit]

Picture of the Preface of the Treaty of Amity and Commerce between Siam and the United States, 1833, in Thai, Portuguese, Chinese and English. Source: "The Eagle and the Elephant"^[1].

^ "Spotlight on Treaty of Amity". U.S.-Thai Relations > looking back over the years. U.S. Embassy, Bangkok. April 25, 2012. Archived from the original on 2012-04-25. Retrieved April 25, 2012. using WebCite®.

Notes[edit]

Roberts Treaty of 1833 and journal entry are so far the only sources for History_of_Bangkok#Rattanakosin "the Royal City of Sia-Yut'hia (commonly called Bangkok)". The image resolution isn't sufficient for me to make out how it was written in Thai.
"The Eagle and the Elephant" was a USIS Public Diplomacy project with a native Thai as the principle compiler, but it is official United States Propaganda, which Congress normally forbids being published or used for home consumption; the Bangkok US Embassy did not bother to find another image source. --Pawyilee (talk) 08:35, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2017 Update[edit]

I worked on this page, initially just to correct its erroneous statement that the 1833 treaty is still in force. I ended up doing more research and revision. My general intent included to make the intro section closer to Wikipedia style ("The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and summarize the most important points—including any notable controversies."), with a very brief summary of the treaty and its significance. Also adding an explanation of the subsequent history of the treaty, how it was modified and superseded. And adding references, and links to text and a photo of the treaty.

This was done from a US perspective. If someone else can add links to Thai sources and Thai texts, that would be a good improvement. Sullidav (talk) 05:44, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Spotlight on Treaty of Amity". U.S.-Thai Relations > looking back over the years. U.S. Embassy, Bangkok. April 25, 2012. Archived from the original on 2012-04-25. Retrieved April 25, 2012. using WebCite®.

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