Talk:Sir John Russell, 3rd Baronet

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Mark Noble may have confused this Sir John Russell, 3rd Baronet with another John Russel for his early exploits.

His Father and mother married in September 1631. So it is possible that John was born in 1632, however two sources (Noble and Burke) and suggest that a son called John was baptised in 1632. But according to Noble a "William Russell, baptized at Chippenham, 9 March 1635; probably he died young."

The trouble is that whether born in the early 1630's or 1640 Sir John Russell, 3rd Baronet is not old enough to have fought as a colonel at the battle of Marston Moor (fought on 2 July 1644). If he was born at or near 1640 he would not have been old enough in the 1650's to have played a prominent part the Protectorate's wars in Ireland and Flanders. If he was born in the early 1630's then he would have just about have been old enough to do so.

Noble is a very old source (1784) and he gets things wrong. So I will add a header to this article warning readers that it may not be accurate. --PBS (talk) 22:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Peerage.com comes with different informastion, both in title as well as date of death, for the person who married Cromwell's daughter, which means I can not translate this article as it is for Norwegian Wikipedia. --Finn Bjørklid (talk) 16:32, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Date of marriage vs eldest child - seeming contradiction[edit]

As I have noted at Talk:Frances Cromwell, there is seemingly an issue regarding the date of Sir John Russell's marriage to Frances Cromwell (given in her article) and the estimated date of birth given here (and in the Frances Cromwell article as well) for their child Sir William Russell. The date given for the marriage in the Frances Cromwell article is "7 May 1663", thus if he was their child Sir William could bot be born prior to 1663 (and probably 1664) if that date is correct (otherwise he would have been illegitimate and unable to inherit his fathers title). If he was born c 1660 then I can only think that either 1) the date of marriage must be wrong, though it cannot be much earlier than 1660 as Frances' Cromwell's first husband only died in 1658, or 2) He must be the son of an earlier marriage not mentioned here and not the son of Frances Cromwell. Also if the marriage date is correct, then Sir William may be younger than his sister Elizabeth who was born in 1664. I would note that Sir William's on page gives his birth as c.1654. Dunarc (talk) 21:06, 31 December 2023 (UTC) Amended by Dunarc (talk) 21:41, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]